Let's hope other states follow suit...

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[–] 36 points 2 months ago (4 children)

My tinfoil hat is telling me they’ll do this to make an outlaw of Linux and block it from services and sites. I hope my hat is wrong.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Keep that tinfoil hat close, I have a feeling Digital identification laws and ReadID technologies are actually moving the internet away from user anonymity, enabling a framework where users can be tied to real-world identities and easily sanctioned.

    Make a post on the internet that someone objects to? boom, you just lost access to all your bank accounts.

    I mean people connected to Peter Thiel are already bragging how they would love to do that

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It's physically impossible to "outlaw Linux". That would mean outlawing the entirety of "The Cloud™".

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You understand this was in the context of the user's side.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    How would you even legislate that? "You can only use Linux if you're a registered business"? And how hard is it to register a one-person business in the US?

    "You can only use Linux if your business has over X number of employees"? So make a non-profit business that "hires" anyone who wants to use Linux.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago

    Cool now get rid of the law entirely.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago*

    "Please stop fighting this distopian law".

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    So we're taking that code out of systemd, right?

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Why? There are other countries with similar laws. It's not always (only) about the USA.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    .... Because its a majors privacy violation?

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  • [–] 64 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    A big win for open source software software.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago*

    For now. These kinds of laws always enroach.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Wait... So if Linux doesn't have the api (sorry, the "signal" 🙄) how will sites that require it respond? What does it mean to be "exempt" - every user is considered to be an adult?

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    You're exempt from the service too probably.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    Ehhh, honestly I'm thinking it's more likely they'll block you. That's how these things tend to go in this age.

    Kind of like how more and more of the Internet just outright blocks vpns.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    This is my growing experience of using GrapheneOS.

    Mostly everything works just fine. But certain apps don't, because they've made a choice to use Play store integrity. And there are more and more of them, including the UK government ID app. So I can't use my phone to verify my identity because I use a version of Android that's more secure than Google's.

    And yeah, I can see it going this way with Linux. If you can't be verified using macOS, Windows, or ChromeOS (or whatever the new thing is) tools, then you become a second class digital citizen.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    And that's why we need to build better and better tools for everyone.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It's very easy, a lot of these huge platforms are just corporate adware and military/intelligence propaganda machines, creating something real with real people will blow it out of the water.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    It's not quite realistic to get feature parity with the huge platforms just on a volunteer basis though. And you might not care about 90% of the features, but that in turn means less adoption, which means less software, less possibilities.

    I mean, I too would want all the best things without any of the downsides, but that takes a Huge amount of effort. And I don't see how we can realistically get there without money.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Linux is now the backbone of everything. It you mess Linux up, so many things will break. They realized this finally.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    A game I payed long ago in my mobile requested me last week age verification.

    Game lost...

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Sensible laws? That's not the world I grew up in. What the hell is happening.

    Punish users. That's the only way they'll learn.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago*

    thanks, California, but we didn't give a shit what you thought in the first place

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Time to teach kids Linux

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    A new malaphor minted in the wild!

    The two expressions you merged were:

    • death knell for (thing)
    • the final nail in the coffin for (something)
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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Linux users are incredible in their belief that issues of privacy, security, or data autonomy will push the masses away from what they're used to (OSX/Windows, Facebook/Reddit, etc) and towards better options (Linux, Lemmy, Mastodon, etc)

    No, mate, absolutely nothing is gonna happen to Windows. It's gonna be perfectly fine. If we're lucky, there will be a 1-3% dip in user base towards Linux, but there's exactly 0% chance for a mass exodus that would make the upper management stop and think for a second.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I think they were assuming that people would use linux to dodge these restrictions. Ex. a teen who can't use a site on windows/ios might boot linux in an attempt to make it work. But as others have pointed out, it's more likely that sites will just blanket-flag a linux useragent as being used by a child to be safe. And then a linux user changing their useragent to get around this will then be hw attestation challenged like any other OS. So yeah, it's just going to make it more inconvenient to use an open system.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    That might well be the best thing that any government could possibly do to drive open source adoption.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Great This could drive more people to linux than ever Especially if the law will eventually require users to verify their age with an ID. I wonder if big tech will still be this exited about implementing age verification once they start seeing people ditching their softwares in favor of FOSS alternatives!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Colorado already did

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I still hoped they'd try to apply it broadly, if only to see the outcome of Ageless Linux

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