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[–] 117 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Guess GNU/Linux is about to get popular with kids.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    While I'm not the average person, my kids have never known anything but Linux or ChromeOS (because school). They game on SteamOS/Bazzite, they use a Linux laptop at home, and they use Android devices. Everything they use, somewhere inside deep down, is powered by Linux.

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  • [–] 52 points 2 months ago

    Open source ftw

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago

    better but still bad. hope it blows up in their faces in ways worse than i can even imagine.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    I had a thought, this is done to reduce opposition to age verification. Most people who really care about privacy will use Linux and open source. So now a lot of those will not care about the age verification being thrust on Microsoft/Apple users because it doesn't affect them.

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  • [–] 39 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    This is likely an attempt to kill Linux and to an extent FOSS.

    If sites require OS level age verification, then you can't visit them if your OS doesn't have it.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Not kill, it's an attempt to marginalize Linux, maybe.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It's not the same. Linux is unkillable. However the proprietory software purveyors can try to slow down the growth of Linux.

    It won't work.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    If you marginalize it so its no longer usable on the modern web to do all the things you need to do.. Then yes, thats the same as effectively killing it.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago*

    I'm sure that was an added benefit, but the market share of Linux users is not that big to give a political care about. This was likely a result of effective lobbying to the right people willing to listen to reason.

    ETA: I'm still against Age Verification, and throwing Linux a bone doesn't change that.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    This was never about the children. Besides what does this really accomplish when there's Roblox?

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I’m glad there are still options.

    Cynical me thinks this might make big software vendors marginalize or demonize these platforms further for not “verifying” their users.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I am waiting for the day to teach the niblings how to operate TempleOS

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Geez. Windows is just getting less and less worth it, even for more mainstream consumers.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (17 children)

    So if you want to protect your kids from adult rated content, and you live in California, you need to buy a propietary system. Which make sure data collectors get to know all about them, and therefore doesn't protect them… But am I the only one to see the commercial argument about to be used by MS, Apple, and others?

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Their websites and services will ask for age verification and Linux will not provide it.

    Therefore Linux systems will be barred from using online services. You will need a proprietary spyware OS in order to continue banking, citizen. Please drink a verification can to continue.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    There's nothing preventing Linux from giving online services a random age. Being exempt from the law just means we don't have to implement real age verification.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago* (11 children)

    There are some steps you can take in Linux but there are also steps you can take regardless of OS. Gnome has built in parental controls. I’m not sure about the other DEs but Gnome has something. Browsers have had controls for a long time.

    For those so inclined, you can set up network wide controls via a PiHole instance. If that’s too restrictive, you can pick and choose your kids’ devices to apply the restrictions. That’s what I do. It was super easy. I just update the block list regularly and test it.

    As parents, we need to have some awareness of what our kids do online. I’m all in favor of making it easier for parents to do that and better educating parents on what is available.

    The big guys might advertise their “new parental controls” but I doubt they will be advertising against Linux and open source. I’m sure Apple will have a version of this that is slightly more privacy respecting than Microsoft and maybe they’ll advertise that. They don’t care about Linux though. Not from a competitive standpoint, not yet.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (10 children)

    I hope you are right.

    Yet do you know if the thing implemented by California would allow criminals to make sure that a kid is really a kid before they attack? Because if that is the case, and even if it needs a hack to do so, it may do the opposit of its aim.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (9 children)

    Regarding the hypothetical anti-Linux marketing, Linux is not that big of a market. It shows promising growth, but it's not even 10% of the desktop market. Microsoft leads hand over fist, and Apple has its own giant cult.

    I don't see them spending much effort to scare/entice people away from Linux, because they're not really a threat. On top of that, Linux is its own deterrent, because people still don't realize that opening a terminal is becoming more optional all the time.

    Until Linux breaks 10%, which is still less than half of Apple, I don't think they'll really care.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    USA murdered anarchists Sacco and Vanzetti far before they became a significant threat to the system. What ever tries to bring freedom is so scared by american authorities... But once more, hopefully you are right and I am just overly pessimistic.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I mean, we're talking about a hobby project operating system, not people who support a different governing system (also, they were arrested and executed during another time in history when "radicals" and immigrants were particularly hated by those in power).

    I appreciate the concern, but I don't think those stories are really that analogous. Nobody in the government is currently worried that a bunch of programmers are stoking the fires of rebellion, though if they start trying to say that "Linux is the operating system of antifa," then we might need to start worrying.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    At some point they may need a new target, and we could be one. We are known by the general public while we are neither too much nor too powerful. And nobody would defend us beside those already targeted.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    @peacepath @Telorand First they came for the ImmigrantsAnd I did not speak outBecause I was not a ImmigrantThen they came for the DemocratsAnd I did not speak outBecause I was not a DemocratThen they came for the trade unionistsAnd I did not speak outBecause I was not a trade unionistThen they came for the JewsAnd I did not speak outBecause I was not a JewThen they came for meAnd there was no one leftTo speak out for me

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Certainly, but we're not there (yet). Fretting about all the possible negative possibilities might feel like preparation, but your time would be better spent finding ways to protect our digital sovereignty/privacy, which is a good thing regardless of the market or political conditions.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I would love to find good ideas for protecting digital freedom, and freedom in general. May we can assume that those who do not care about privacy aren't using Lemmy... But I don't know how to protect ours except by defending it as a principle that should be universal.

    And so a rule to restrict freedom except for us is not a good news to me. It is not as bad as if we were concerned directly, but it is still a step backward. Isn't it?

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    So if you want to protect your kids from adult rated content, and you live in California, you need to buy a propietary system.

    That’s not at all what this means. You’ve always been free to add any additional parental controls to your kid’s devices, and that hasn’t changed.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    I know it is not the aim, I am concerned by how it may be used against free softwares... once more, I hope I am wrong.

    Also, I am concerned by the loss of freedom involved by this policy. And I don't think it is made to protect any one, just to restrict and control.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Why to specify the licenses? Why not all opensource software?

    If it's public domain, is it required? If it's EUPL, is it required?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I'm under the belief the push for Linux to be exempted is because the amount of work that enterprise would have to retrofit their network, server and software applications would be too costly. So once again Capitalism favors itself over the consumer. Just here the consumer gets a taste of what a govt exemption feels like.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I'm really impressed!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    The headline shortchanges the exception.

    These amendments redefine the term “operating system provider” to exclude any person or entity that distributes an OS or application “under license terms that permit a recipient to copy, redistribute, and modify the software.” Any software distributed under the GPL, MIT, BSD, and Apache licenses satisfies that test, which removes the likes of Debian, Fedora, Ubuntu, Arch, and the BSD family from AB 1856’s scope.

    This ahould mean an Open Source, encrypted Discord competitor would also not be required to do age checks (i.e. Matrix, etc).

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Well, this has the potential to positively impact a project I'm an active part of: Simutrans. Simutrans is FOSS, so if software became required to verify age, it would definitely cause issues for us. So this is potentially some good news.

    While I personally dislike age verification, I'm only a little worried about government overreach. Not totally unconcerned, mind, but I'm not so sure it'll generally be quite as huge of a deal as some seem to think. But I don't particularly like it.

    So to me, this is a potential positive step in pushing more to Linux/FOSS, which I think is generally a good thing. And if I'm right and age verification isn't a huge deal, I still think this is good for that reason. And if some of the more worried folks are correct, then this potentially could be huge.

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