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[–] 63 points 2 months ago (3 children)

If you saw someone taking down a flock camera, no you didn't.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 months ago

    Halloween night will be wild this year.

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  • [–] 80 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    At what point do we stop voting for the people putting up the flock cameras, and start voting for those that have comprehensive plans to address real issues?

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  • [–] 44 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    It's currently happening. Progressives are beating neolib incumbents in primaries.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    In my blue state district, Democrats voted for the genocidal incumbent who receives big money from AIPAC and that voted to fund ICE. It's amazing how the media can shift everyone's attention to a very small handful of elections, and then also use those elections to make people think progressives are winning big while also labeling them all DSA. You have much to learn my friend about the games being played and that will be played.

    I live in a so-called "progressive" blue state. Multiple red states have better privacy laws similar to California's CCPA, more consumer protections, etc. Anyone can call themselves a progressive and that word in itself means almost nothing... heck, they give countless handouts here to Amazon and Microsoft, and a large number of people that claim to be progressives work for those same companies while living in gentrified neighborhoods where they make being homeless essentially illegal now.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It's not going to change overnight. The movement is still picking up momentum.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    In some states (like mine), they shove these laws allowing access into omnibus must pass bills, and since representatives cant vote down on them, you basically would have to vote everyone out. Better ideas is to show up at every city and county meeting, with your community members and make such noise about it, that they have to do something about it so they can't keep hiding behind under the counter deals.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Seems most people vote their feels or their chosen clan... Whoever they think they get along better with socially.

    It seems few people seriously assess a politicians job qualification or work hisrory.

    Heck, my SO just lets me do the work, but I refused to just let them copy my vote. I write up paragraph summaries for each candidate then a blurb explaining my choice. They can disagree if they want, it's okay. I don't look to see how they vote, or ask, but they basically tell me they trust me and just wanna copy me.

    It's honestly pretty upsetting.

    And I bet one partner in most relationships just does the same, or votes party line, or just generally doesn't give a hoot but votes anyway.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I mean, we could do that, but maybe instead we should all jist vote based on the politics of some bull shit going on on the other side of the world or the need to stop like 10 trans people playing sportsball.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago* (12 children)

    We cheered for a vigilante who presumably shot a health insurance CEO to death, too.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    No, the presumption is innocence.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    He has admitted in court to doing it.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    you realise people plea to things they didnt do every day, right?

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  • [+] -12 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Not killing someone they don't.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Yes they do. A quick search would have spared you this particular, "living under a rock," take.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Feel free to prove me wrong then. But admitting to a crime you didn't commit isn't something that happens regularly.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    You just lowered the bar*, but the US DOJ routinely reports that up to 50% to 60% of people that take a plea deal are actually innocent upon further review of the actual evidence.

    Plea deals are how about 90% of all cases in the US are settled, with the innocent accused pleading guilty to a crime they didn't commit, so they get a better deal than a jury and judge will give them if they are found guilty.

    Again, I am not going to give you more than crumbs. You can find all this data with a quick search.

    *Lowered the bar in this case is equivalent to moving the goalposts in my favor.

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  • [+] -8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Cool, how many of them took a plea deal for killing someone?

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago

    A local guy just got caught taking down a decoy camera that the cops set up to get whoever had been cutting down cameras in the area.

    So they caught him, but the mayor seemed irritated about the decoy operation, which she wasn't aware of. She wondered who paid for the camera, but it turned out to be a 3D print that one of the cops did at home. Aloarently city council were already debating removing the cameras, and the mayor seems to be on the negative side.

    Anyway, whenever the story comes on the news, I vocally declare my support for the guy, to anyone who happens to be in the room.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Cutting these things down is fine and all, more power to you. In decently sized cities, they’ll just replace them and it becomes a game of whack-a-mole. Go to noalprs.com and sign up - look for a local group and show up to city hall. If your town isn’t on the map, create a group. There has been enormous success by pointing out the privacy risks, security failures, potential for abuse, 3rd party data collection, etc. When a contract is cancelled, ALL those cameras go down. Seriously, sign up and fight. Angry folks at town halls make change.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Yep, while being a vigilante and likely getting caught get's headlines, the better action is use your legal rights, show up to city, county and state meetings and get them banned all together. Getting your representatives to answer to the people is the best course of action and always the most productive one long term for actual change.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago* (7 children)

    Lpt: a circular saw is quicker than a sawzall on 2in aluminum pipes. If you aren't sure what kind of metal you're working with, use a magnet. If it sticks, use a sawzall. If it doesn't, use a circular saw. With a little practice, you can get through a 2in pipe in under 45 seconds (12s is my record for 2in aluminum pipe)

    How you use that little tidbit of info is up to you I guess, I just like sharing information about metalworking, since I'm a hobby level blacksmith.

    And just in case you want to go camping with your metalworking tools, as one does, there are some decent brands that fit nicely in a backpack, and you can get around your campground quickly with bicycles. Just don't bring your phone, they ruin bike trips.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    They are typically at least 2.85in in diameter, not 2in. They describe them on the sales receipt/contract.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Rotating around the circumference of a pipe makes the circumference inconsequential. As long as they aren't 2.5 in thick in the wall of the pipe, you're good.

    If they are 2.5 in thick, an oxyacetylene torch can be carried by two people rather easily.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Someone on Tiktok is testing this on poles in his yard... Circular saw and reciprocating saw are basically almost exactly the same time due to having to turn the circular saw around. An angle grinder was actually slightly faster than the two, but much more nosier.

    These were all tested with cheap blades.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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    Typically going to take more time than the circular saw with ferrous pipe, but approximately the same amount of time as a sawz-all in the case of aluminum or lead piping.

    Another Journeyman Blacksmith, and Apprentice Redsmith and Whitesmith.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago

    Flockjacks=heros

    I'd smash.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    One of the few things everyone seems to agree on.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago

    Fuck right off with this title.

    It's anger against the goddamn fascist fucks watching the cameras.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I'm definitely cheering them on because I'm too chicken shit to do it myself.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    There's one across the street that captures my home. I fantasize about taking it out in a number of creatively destructive methods.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You don't need to destroy it. A black trash bag over the camera and/or solar panel and wrapped with tape will be sufficient.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe not here, but post the location to a group of antiflockers, suggest it's pointing at a home and shouldn't be, suggest maybe it should be removed.

    You can stay pretty anonymous.

    There are those of us who wouldn't mind just quietly popping by a week later and taking care of that for ya.

    If any are close by it certainly might get done.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    There is a group in my town who is starting an open letter/petition to the city council to have them removed. I feel like that's the safer and more lasting way to get them down here. The one pointing towards my home is right next to a school and any kind of tampering would be readily seen and fixed

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Wait a second... What direction is the camera in relation to you? Is it any bit east of you?

    What I am getting at is a concave mirror and the sun might be able to assist greatly with your privacy concerns... At least from the camera angle.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    It could potentially work. My home is along a road that runs northeast to southwest. The facade of my home faces southeast towards the camera, which is on the opposite side of the road. the camera faces northeast. See DeFlock screenshotaltr

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago*

    Direct some of that ire at the employees who are supposed to work for We The People, but they did this to us, with sneaky means to avoid public knowledge, with our taxes. Seems against the alleged founding values.


    Something is rotten,

    They work for We The People,

    But lie to us all

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Practice your second amendment on a flock of cameras.

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  • 4 comments in c/usa@lemmy.ml view that post
    [–] -2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    im not really declaring a stance on this. ( ideally, social media participant shouldn't have stances or agendas).
    but based on historical fact..
    in my previous city, when there was a major law enforcement controversy..
    they raised officer salary by 28% -45% .
    so.. damn, that aloot of $$$ .
    what are the consequences of that?
    there are good and bad consequences.
    in that specific case, it may have been possible because the city had the funds for it. (or perhaps every city does).
    otherwise, gotta implement a new tax to pay for it.. or redirect resources.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Not sure I follow why social media participants should not have any views of their own. We're all humans, we each have opinions and biases. We should absolutely share our stances and discuss them to learn from each other.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    i should have emphasized or rephrased "ideally" to be more like.. "in an ideal/idealistic world/utopia".
    but i think one of the biggest reasons, is that it attracts toxic users, and then pushes away users who want to have less adversarial discussions.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 2 months ago

    I'd argue commercial platforms like reddit attract toxicity because that's what keeps people engaged. There have actually studies been done on the subject of how Facebook directly encouraged that because being angry kept people scrolling. But when you take the commercial interest out of the picture, there's absolutely nothing wrong with people having disagreements and debate because that's how we learn things. Having your views challenged is not a bad thing if it's done in a constructive fashion. You learn different points of view, and to put yourself in the shoes of other people which broadens your perspective. Forums where you can't have disagreement often turn into echo chambers which isn't really a healthy thing.

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  • 2 comments in c/usa@midwest.social view that post
    [–] 17 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Anyone that gets caught doing this should absolutely gamble on a jury trial. You’re constitutionally entitled to it, and the odds of there being at least one person in there who fucking hates this shit is pretty damn high.

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  • 2 comments in c/DeFlock@sh.itjust.works view that post
    [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Most people still don't know what a flock camera is.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    That appears to be true. The old timers don't know what it is generally, even the old lefties that stay somewhat informed. But after a lifetime of watching things go to shit I can't say I blame them for tuning shit out at this point.

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    [–] 27 points 2 months ago

    I'm glad they're calling them vigilantes, because a vigilante is someone who punishes crimes outside the bounds of the law. Good to see media acknowledging that Flock cameras are criminal.

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