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[–] 104 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

I played the video. Saw nothing. None of you did either.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    What would cause fire like that? Assume it is an internal lithium-based battery?

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago

    If these batteries get punctured, they'll burn like this. Source: I work in waste management, we have daily fires in the shredders because people are too lazy to properly dispose their old batteries.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    The Autumn Wind is a people
    Struggling to be free
    With a phone and car, they see quite far
    And trackers all they see

    Their bodies are well covered
    And no one sees their faces
    With lasers, saws, and power tools
    Put fascists in their places

    They go across the country
    To knock down one by one
    Care not to see just where they be
    For this is not for fun

    The Autumn Wind is a people
    Who want to be alone
    No one should know just where they go
    Or what is on their phone

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    Please don't take pictures of yourself or your friends doing this. Ffs people. Don't get caught.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago

    strong winds too

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago

    Flock this shit

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  • [–] 21 points 2 months ago

    The heroes we need.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)
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    By the time this is over you're gonna have to look back when you're backing up.

    Darn! My wife is gonna be pissed and I'm gonna have to reinstall that camera.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    Real question for the USA people, will shooting them be anymore of a crime? Just sounds like a faster and more fun way of doing this.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Actually yes, it massively increases the number of potential charges. Also way more likely to get excited police officers turning up quickly and knowing you have a gun.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    They don't put these cameras up in neighbourhoods where gunshots are expected

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    Canadian here. Way too dangerous!

    1. Shooting upwards at the cameras puts innocent people in danger. I know gun cultures love to sky fire but in Canada we don't do that dumb shit. Especially out west where the mountains obscure who lives a mile away. Could easily kill some rancher with no hospital for 100 miles. (or a cow!)

    2. Ricochet. If the bullet goes through the camera and hits the pole it could deflect and injure a bystander.

    3. Shrapnel. Hit the wrong spot and the camera might eject sharp pieces that could hurt someone.

    4. People suck at aiming.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    A shotgun with bird shot eliminates most of those problems.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    eliminates

    You spelt exasperate wrong.

    Birdshot can absolutely ricochet off steel (especially at the range we're applying it)

    I don't know why you think it would produce less shrapnel.

    And birdshot almost guarantees at least 1 projectile will miss the target given there's no backdrop.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Birdshot has a lot less mess per projectile though, so less energy in each one, and also more friction by mass, so the energy is lost a lot faster. I'm not saying it's safe, but it is less likely to be lethal at least.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    In most skeet/clay shooting ranges, there is no backstop and the shooters are aiming into the air. With the tiny pellet sizes, they lose energy quickly and drop to the ground at terminal velocity, which is much slower than the speed they were fired. That's why I specifically named bird shot rather than buckshot which has larger heavier pellets. It would still maybe be fine but bird shot definitely would.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    skeet/clay shooting ranges

    "RANGE" Its it the name dumbass. A shooting range is specifically designed/located/oriented to accomodate for bullet dropoff.

    But sure falsely equate that with shooting a shotgun off in the middle of town.

    You are a fucking idiot. I wouldn't normally jump to this but what you're suggesting could kill someone.

    I will be blocking you now.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Discharging a firearm in a city or near a highway is a crime, as well as being unsafe and irresponsible. Shooting from a vehicle is also usually illegal and there may be other laws specifically for firearms that they be charged with too such as possession of a firearm when committing a crime.

    For example robbing a bank is a crime but robbing a bank which a firearm is two different crimes and if you show the gun that can be brandishing which is a third. For this reason, and because bank tellers are told to just hand over the money which is all government insured, most people rob banks by only passing a note to the cashier and not having any weapons at all.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Halloween is a good time for ... I forgot what I want to say ... but Halloween definitely is a good time.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    There is more in a single video than what official numbers claim

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The cameras are going up in the street lights next.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    New favorite American pastime.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Isn't it easier to shoot them with an air gun?

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    [+] -67 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    Most of these cameras are traffic cameras. Personally I’m finding it a little gross that people against traffic cameras are putting on an anti-surveillance state image to take them down when in reality curbing aggressive driving is a pretty important part of pedestrianizing and democratizing urban centres. I’ve always had the vague feeling that this Flock camera debate has been hijacked by people who don’t actually care for improving communities.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    The correct way to fix aggressive driving is traffic calming. In other words, making physical changes to the infrastructure, like removing lanes, lane-narrowing, adding speed humps or chicanes, etc.

    As (a) a traffic engineer, (b) a bicycle and pedestrian activist, and (c) a mod of !fuckcars@lemmy.world, I find it downright insulting to be accused of "[not] actually car[ing] for improving communities" just because I also care about not creating a motherfucking totalitarian panoption!

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  • [–] [S] 45 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    A network of "traffic cameras" might include other sensors than a camera.

    The 24/7 monitoring of an intersection outside of an abortion clinic might be used to find women that had an abortion.

    Police and others with access do abuse these systems for personal use with minimal oversight.

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  • [+] -31 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Again, I’m not debating the problems with surveillance for non traffic related issues. However these examples in your video are very clearly traffic cameras. It does not help the issue to carry water for aggressive car driver culture in the guise of being anti-surveillance.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    You may be misinformed; The flock cameras in this video are not just traffic cameras but in fact are tracking everyone's location all the time in a national database in a way that violates the 4th amendment.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago

    Traffic cameras don't help stop dangerous drivers, the stats don't show that at all. Red light cameras decrease running red lights but increase rear end collasions by the same percentage and don't do anything to help pedestrian safety. It's been proven time and time again none of this is to help the public,it's to make massive profits.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Every one in the video is a flock camera.

    Not a single camera there is a speed or stoplight camera.

    Every single one in that video is a network camera on a searchable system that us regularly searched without a warrant.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago*

    These Flock cameras are ALPRs, but downplaying them as traffic cameras is disingenuous at best.

    These cameras collect a myriad of descriptors aside from just plate numbers including bumperstickers, visible marks, vehicle add-ons, etc.

    They allow sharing of data by not just government owned but also civilian owned cameras to create a much wider net than any standard traffic cam system. Police in Texas used a grid of 83,000 cameras to track a woman who got an abortion.

    This is just the early stages of data harvest and tracking, as there's plans to integrate SignalTrace into the mix, allowing tracking BT, wifi, and RFID signals. . Pairing these together allows even more invasive monitoring.

    Ignoring how Flock already helps ICE track people, there's also the abuse already happening as multiple reports have been filed related to officers stalking romantic interests

    ALPRs arent their only product, just the first. They also sell pan/tilt cams for tracking people, high-sensitivity mics for "gunshot detection", and drones

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Honestly everything around here is about cherished narratives.

    But you do create an interesting tension between two cherished narratives:

    1. cars are evil
    2. surveillance cameras are evil

    I think number 2 is just winning out.

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