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[–] 68 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

A telling excerpt from the PMO statement:

"They [Canada's negotiators] have worked hard, in good faith, to defend the interests of Canadians throughout these negotiations up until the very last minute. However, last-minute changes in the U.S. proposed terms were unfair, uneconomic, and called into question the reliability of any deal."

I sense that Team Donnie Dementia can't keep themselves from renegotiating their own deal before it's even made.

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  • [–] 49 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It was always going to be that. You can't negotiate or trust who continuously bargains in bad faith and readjusts goalposts. We're not a fucking vassal state!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Dementia is very significantly advanced. A Narcisist liar forcing all minions to believe his own lies transitions to dementia by total absurdity of the lies, and strategy delusions to win anything.

    The bad: SAVE voter rigging act where his hick redneck base don't have the airport IDs they would need to vote, to falling for Netanyahu manipulation into a collapsing war

    The ugly: Pushing South Korea and Canada away through absurd demands from joining the war (US desperation for SK weapons they are untrained on) to formalizing colonial subjugation before ink is even dry on other concessions.

    The pure dementia: 20% toll/tariff on all shipping through SoH. SoH is US territory. "Economic D-day but details come later" against entire world. Blockade certain to destroy economy prior to mid terms in addition to risking more direct alliances with Iran and against the US, and certain to unify Iran to wait for his impeachment.

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  • [–] 68 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe the fucking Canadian paper can link copies of the PM's statements rather than a link to Shitter-X. The PM's office typed the dam statements out as a press release AND also posted them to Shitter-X. So the actual messages are out there.

    Wow I found them. They have a whole bunch of them. Almost bike they are a professionally run office and not a child spamming stuff on social media for likes.

    https://www.pm.gc.ca/en

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  • [–] 50 points 2 months ago (20 children)

    I think a digital services tax may be in order

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    I’m not an IT person, but there has to be options for at the very least government to move away from Microsoft and google. We surely have IT people here in Canada, make it a national security tie, which it is, and develop our own tools. We need to stop relying on the Americans all together.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Instead, they are signing deals with Palantir, whee

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Bill C-22 and others that are being forced through and almost law basically increase dependence and sharing with US government and private companies, and we are going to be seeing Flock cameras in Canada... more than we already are.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Deflock runs nicely on an esp C6. I haven't seen any of them out here on the west coast but will get them rekt as soon as they show up.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    I asked Ontario's education ministry and they just said if alternatives existed then they would already be using them.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Often, what that means is, "We have some stupid "security" requirement that a third party has convinced us to write in despite us not really needing it." Usually, it's for something invasive that can be bypassed by people with enough patience and time on their hands (= high schoolers) if the source code can be modified.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    And an export tax on potash and oil.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You guys understand that in this trade war, those 3 things are your nuclear options, right?

    You don't start by using your strongest weapons first. Because if those don't stop the war, what then? And, how would the Americans respond?

    Better to have those in reserve, ready to be deployed. Make the other side worry that you could use them, and use that strength to aid in negotiations. Treat them as actual nuclear weapons. As a deterrent.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago

    Sometimes, when the other side has the attention span of a toddler, it's necessary to remind them from time to time that the nuclear options exist, even if you don't plan to use them.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Nah, at this point the other nations should go Va Banque with their sanctions, and embargo until the USA collapses into +/- 50 independent countries. Toxic relationships deserve to have their bridges permanently burnt, no β€œanother chance” just to be fooled once again.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    What a wild day.... this morning the news was that we were about to give in to a lot of stuff and we were mad at carney

    Now it seems the PM has shown he has a spine and seemingly redeemed himself

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    He was getting played. Of course they were going to throw in crazy shit at the 11th hour, but Carney should have seen this coming.

    Trump needs a deal before the US midterms. Just let the tariffs happen for two months and come back to a deal when Trump's balls have been cut off at the midterms.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Of course they were going to throw in crazy shit at the 11th hour, but Carney should have seen this coming.

    Just because he didn't publicly state that he expected it, doesn't mean it was a surprise.

    Carney and the negotiating team know who they are dealing with. They know more about who they are dealing with than any of us armchair quarterbacks yammering on social media.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    sooooo US alcoholic off shelves again?

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I hope so.

    Personally, I don't buy the stuff. Never really did. But I love how the Americans get bent out of shape over us not selling it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    I love it. A lot of hard to find bourbons are now easily available at, or near, MSRP instead of the usual 3-5x markup.

    I mean, that's not the reason you should keep it up, or the reason I like that you're standing up to this nonsense, but it is a nice little extra.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    They could do some pretty asymmetric stuff. Order tne entire government off Xitter and Facebook for instance.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    By bringing non-starters at the negotiations, it's maga themselves that suspended trade talks. They never wanted to negotiate and just wanted to waste everyone's time.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    All right, Carney got saved from himself

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Or is he one of those rare politicians who listens to the people of the country and shifted gears accordingly? While some will suffer and some will despise the lack of a deal, most Canadians are collectively digging in for the long haul in a show of support.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Or is he one of those rare politicians who listens to the people of the country

    Ha! Unless he's been replaced by the pod people in the past couple of weeks I do not think that is likely. I would be betting on Trump doing what he always does rather than Carney doing what he always doesn't.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Canada/Carney should have discussions directly with auto makers, Deere, Caterpillar, Boeing to discuss what they can do to keep Canadian market access. Auto sales in Canada were the same level as UK and France, despite half the population in 2024. Competition to Deere/Caterpillar for China is 10x better value.

    On AI, Ford said something stupid about if Ontario doesn't build them, then Trump will. Huawei has a 50% cost advantage over Nvidia, and there are plenty of open models optimized for it. These models can be tuned for Canada if they need be, but the point would be that serving open models at low latency to Americans and Canadians is good competition to US.

    Norad is how the US survives only thanks to Canadian cooperation. Canada has been very weak in continuing military integration, and "values", with the US. It's time for US to pay their fair share for our assistance in their survival.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Replacing US influence with Chinese influence is not a win.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Buying the best value product is not influence. Sticking to worst product from direct real enemy convincingly trying to destroy you is influence. Ideological reasons is influence. Continued military cooperation with enemy is influence.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    Cool, so what we already knew was going to happen, happened.

    Colour me shocked. Glad to know we wasted so much time trying to negotiate with what may as well be a bunch of shit-flinging apes when we could have been putting more focus in more deals with the EU, establishing CANZUK, and literally any other endeavour that doesn't include the U.S..

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    It's not a waste of time. We need to do what we diplomatically can (while making other plans).

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    You can't really do anything diplomatic when the other side continually showcases they lack any respect for diplomacy whatsoever.

    The moment the man in charge literally called himself an idiot when asking who'd ever sign a deal like CUSMA, it was an admission that they don't care. We got hit with tariffs for reasons that weren't based on facts. We got rid of the digital services tax as a concession already. We already had the CRTC roll back a decision to triple financial contributions to Canadian content from online streaming services. Then came the Gordie Howe Bridge dispute where we made concessions for tolls on a bridge we paid for. We were going to concede even more with the removal of alcohol bans.

    Yet, it's just now that Carney and the Liberals realise that this isn't worth it? Any progressive in this country could have told you this from the get go.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    You can't really do anything diplomatic when the other side continually showcases they lack any respect for diplomacy whatsoever.

    The Americans aren't the only ones to consider.

    Everyone other country who Canada (and the USA) has a deal with, or is negotiating with is also watching.

    They can see who is being reasonable and diplomatic, and they can see who is being a shit flinging monkey that can't be trusted.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (4 children)

    How is it not a waste of time? What value could come from negotiating with someone whose entire brand is β€œI make and break deals all day, everyday”? We waste time and effort of actually useful people on our side, while they fling shit whether we show up or not.

    You’re stuck in the past. β€œDealing” with the US is a waste of resources, including time. That country might as well be gone until / unless they somehow redeem themselves, which is going to take GENERATIONS, not years.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Politically, Carney needs to signal to voters that Trump is the reason we can't get a good deal, not the Liberals. You and I already know that, but my conservative voting parents don't. If Carney had walked away day 1, many voters would be thinking that maybe the Conservatives could get us a good deal.

    I think there was other value too - I think if we had walked away months ago, tariffs like this would have been imposed even sooner. Delaying tariffs like this is providing real value for Canadian exporters at the relatively cheap cost of some politicians' time.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Politically, Carney needs to signal to voters that Trump is the reason we can't get a good deal, not the Liberals.

    It also signals to other countries the futility of dealing with Trump, and that it is possible to stay strong and walk away from the Americans threats and buister.

    It also demonstrates to anyone watching internationally that Canada can remain reasonable, reliable and diplomatic in our negotiations.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    I think the idea was more, if we could patch something together with the people who were actually negotiating (not Trump, he doesn't have the ability to look at anything in detail) and get it to hold for six months or so, that would be six months more to diversify our export markets. In other words, our government has been trying to buy time. Which didn't work this time.

    Whether buying time for some of the industries under threat is justified is a whole 'nother crottle of greeps, but the pressure there is coming mostly from small subsets of the Canadian electorate, not from Americans.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    Not wrong, but it's hard to ignore the shit flinging apes that have been our most natural trading partner since we share the largest land border on earth.

    It is unfortunate to have to spend as much energy as it requires to maintain even a semblance of care for it though

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    They think we're fucking idiots. The whole US government is corrupt with chronies making billions off chaos, whether it's the middle east or Canada. So every Monday the US has a deal with Iran and by Wednesday they are bombing the straight. We watch gas prices bounce up and down 20 cents a litre daily.

    Trump does not want a stable deal with Canada. He didn't want it in his first term, he doesn't want it now.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    when we could have been putting more focus in more deals with the EU

    That has already been happening since Trudeau was PM.

    The government can do more than one thing at the same time, y'know.

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