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[–] 266 points 2 months ago* (28 children)

Jury Nullification is like the secret code of the US justice system.That's why most of the people that work for the system absolutely despised the whole idea.

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  • [–] 55 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

    The us justice system is already fucked up and makes a joke of the term justice.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    This is really true. Pick a blog, video, or what ever lawyer you want making comment on the state of the federal justice system right now. It's a mess and a shit show.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    I mean, if it wasn't packaged up in the American flag and pax americana, your nations actions would be that of clearly terrorist nation.

    I don't expect the taliban to have a working legal/justice system either.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Any justice system actually. Common law especially though.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Common Law is better than codified law. That's the only reason we have juries and don't just let judges decide the fate of the accused. Can you imagine, in this country, judges the sole decider of your case?

    The reason that the UK and US have had such cuntish law enforcement is not because of english common law. It should be noted the UK cancelled some of common law's basic tenants, like the right to a jury trial, not only afforded to indictable offenses, any crime with less than 3 years imprisonment is decided by their famously haughty aristocratic judges now.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, first the Tories maybe 5-7 years back or so cancelled juries for crimes with less than 1 year imprisonment, then Starmer's labour party just upped it to all crimes less than 3 years.

    In the late 19th century they also passed a law where if they thought jury tampering was going to happen they could just do it with a judge, idk how often they have used it though.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Pretty sure it's not active yet though, still being discussed?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    I was trying to verify where this was, the guardian and reuters in like 2024 or so left me with the impression it was passed, but a cursory search after your inquiry did not find the detail. I had to leave town here, Hopefully I can find out tomorrow morning.

    It sounded like they made the new rule but it's not in force yet from my cursory search that led me to some lackluster guardian article.

    Quick edit, the news did say it was passed I am sure. I have been wrong before though on stuff like this.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Jury vs judge trial is a separate axis from common law vs civil law. You can have common law (where decisions of higher courts are deemed binding on lower courts) even if lower courts are all judge-only trials. You can have trials decided by a jury where every decision made by a judge is ultimately answerable only to written statute, with prior judicial judgments being at best persuasive.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I'm sure the GOP will figure out how to get rid of it soon enough

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    They would have to get rid of juries altogether.

    Given that our current legal system was created as a direct reaction to star chambers and baked into the constitution, they have an uphill climb, at the least.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    They don't care about the constitution man.

    Trump will do an executive order, it'll get tonthe Supreme.Cpurt, and they will just kneelnon it for "time to think about it." And that will be it, its "the law" now.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Why do people keep pretending the Supreme Court always agrees with Trump. They've struck him down often and seem to be taking a very strict constitutionalist view. Most recent example would be the whole birthright citizenship ruling.

    Obviously this court is terrible for many reasons, they gutted the voting rights act and ended Roe. But they're not getting rid of juries their record is clear there

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    The Supreme Court isn't going to curb its own power for Trump. Even with three of them permanently hanging off his dick, they've shut down literally everything he's done that could affect them personally.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    they will give him a secret trial, or disappear to one of thier concentration camps in the south, which would mostly be texas, and the msms will never ever report on a citizen getting detained, at least not a white one.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    In a sense, its the system functioning as it should. If you have a healthy democratic society with good principals, juries should acquit people for things that may be crimes but are perfectly reasonable and justified.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Why should law enfocement and prosecuters get to decide which laws to enforce and which not to, but jurrors cant?

    Unless the laws on the books were short and perfect, there is always going to be enforcement choices, and it seems to me the jury nulification option is no worse than other selective enforcement. It lets guilty people go free, sure, but it sometimes stops unjust incarceration.

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  • [–] 93 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    Probably because he was with some of them trading Pokémon cards at the time, couldn’t have been him, everyone has a doppelgänger

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Come to think of it, how accurately can facial recognition tell apart to people who look very similar?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Facial recognition has an inherent bias as well, or at least it did not too long ago. It was mostly trained on white people, so it's accuracy with non whites was really bad. I'm sure the training data is far more robust now, but that doesn't necessarily mean better.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    It can't.

    Also, and I have no idea what race this person is, but facial recognition tents to be even worse when it comes to minority groups, especially black people. Because its more often created and tested by white or asian dudes.

    Which has absolutely terrible implications when you consider it gets used for things like Flock, for crimes, which already have a racism problem skewed against black people.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    If you have a reasonable group of people like a friends and family group, you can get machine learning to be very accurate (with odd exceptions like babies and twins). But what is 99% accurate for 50 people will almost universally give false positives when searching a group of 50 million faces. The math just doesnt work for them.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    He was actually at my place, we were cooking for the homeless. Terrorism actually, with lentils and curry. So which one would the state rather prosecute?

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  • [–] 81 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    That whole "a good prosecutor could indict a ham sandwich" was when you could pull your jurors out of a citizen pool that didn't walk in already believing you were lying through your fucking teeth.

    But then they pulled the mask off, and let us all see how they are using the courts for vindictive prosecution and political harassment.

    Looks like the ham sammich days are ending, lol.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    I just heard about a prosecutor that didn't get all of his indictments and then sent the jurors that voted against him home and replaced them. That and other stuff, they aren't even pretending to follow the rules, they think everything is more openly corrupt than it is yet.

    But anyway, the courts threw out like 200 indictments because this prick prosecutor didn't think he had to follow the rules/didn't know or care what the rules were.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 months ago

    The Department of Justice has been doing stuff like that a lot since the Trump administration, to the point that they lost presumption of regularity (the assumption in advance that state actors are being honest and following the rules in good faith). There were so many prosecutions that were clearly directed by the White House and were vindictive persecutions of political enemies that the judges just stopped believing anyone from DoJ.

    It didn't help that all the honest prosecutors in DoJ resigned when they were ordered to do something unlawful, resulting in massive brain drain. All the rehires are unskilled if not incompetent, and sometimes they issue legal statements that sound like a Truth Social post.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Holy shit. That's some arrogance right there, thinking no one would ever know or find out. Grand juries are secret, but they're not THAT secret.

    they think everything is more openly corrupt than it is yet.

    You nailed it.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (9 children)

    They never pretended much. You're just looking at it now.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    I called this decline into insanity and fascism back in the mid 90s. Also nailed global warming in 2000 or so, and called the nsa's bullshit years before snowden to name a few.

    I am only right on the bad predictions, my good predictions are a shitshow.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I didn't get it that far back. I blame Pokémon. Except global warming. I was just kind of raised with it as a fact.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    whats funny is I help found an environmental group in college and did a lot of recycling things and it took the gore movie for it to get on my radar.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Succks he made a movie instead of non-insane environmental policy.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    It sucks he resigned an election he won because the courts decided to disfaithfully charge their duty. The now lionized by the dem establishment Ruth Bader Ginsburg was the deciding vote on giving the vote to the loser of the election by the way.

    Fuck Al Gore. Voters decide elections, not courts, he should have stood up and taken it, but our dem leaders, especially for president, are chosen because they are weak kneed sell outs. Biden was just the progression where every cycle it gets worse respective of party.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    You should bet on stuff you don't like. Then if you win it's like an insurance payout. Your prediction skills will make money for you, and you might create incentives for other people to reduce bad things.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    Yeah that is good advice, hedge the bad times coming. I haven't patronized these betting sites because the one I liked, predictit, run by a couple universities, one in new zealand, was outlawed by the US while they gave the franchise to for profit companies. I am salty on this.

    It was outlawed a while back, can't remember if it was the prez' first term or Biden's. I think the latter actually, biden was a fucking cunt.

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  • [–] 54 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    I imagine all cases prosecuted for destruction of networked Flock and Axios cameras are going to struggle to get through a jury. It's a clear privacy violation and everyone knows it.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    While you are right, there are almost no laws in the US that protect privacy. Short of being in your own home with the blinds down, there is next to nothing working in your favor. The assumption is that you're in "public" or clear view of the public, thusly, screw you.

    Your pool? Clear view from the road. That douchenozzle with a drone, probably not breaking the law when he takes a video flying over. "Oh, I was looking at my own roof" or some bullshit.

    There should be privacy laws. The world has changed so much, but most laws are stuck in the stone age and now sold to the highest bidder who actively monetizes the complete lack of privacy laws.

    In the US, you can look up TONS of details about anyone's house. From the sale price, the tax history, tons of details about it and even photos of the inside. In what normal world does that make sense?! Your employer sells your salary data to ADP who then sells it to any number of others. What the actual fuck?! Nobody asked for this, it's opt-out only but the opt out expires. I did it a few years ago, and it's back on again.

    If privacy were not important, then there should not be bathroom doors.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    We have legal precedent that the police cannot use GPS trackers. A similar case was opened for the APLs in traditional speed cameras, but they were determined to be constitutional since you have no expectation of privacy on a public road and a camera can't be used to track you like GPS. The networked APLs accomplish the same result as GPS trackers just without technically using a GPS tracker.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Wait wait… explain this ADP thing. How do I opt out?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Companies are trying to prevent people switching jobs to get raises by creating a central database of all employees and their salaries. That way, when you try to find a new job they can pull up your salary history and not accidentally give you a 40% bump when your desperation factor clearly shows you'll settle for 10%.

    I assume adp is just one of those companies doing this, and you opt out by not participating in the economy.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    But if you are in public and i follow you nonstop, keeping track of where and when you go.....well you would say i was stalking you. Why is it bad for me but ok for a network of cameras.

    We need 1 good lawyer to argue this case.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    There are plenty of privacy laws, but the catch is that you have to make an effort to create privacy. Putting your blinds down creates privacy. Building a roof over your pool and walls around your yard create privacy. There is just no expectation of privacy in public, and technically anything that can be seen from public is "in plain view". Protecting your privacy is not a function of the state unless you had an expectation of privacy through explicit disclaimer or honest effort.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Just adding here, what is clear to all of us as Coaster indicated, that aggregate privacy and anonymity are what is really at stake here.

    Sure, I'm in public and just walking around. I don't have a right to privacy in those instants. Some jerk with a camera is within their rights to capture my image.

    The other aspect of the laws, though, is that even a few years ago, that image was of an anonymous person. The photographer didn't know who I was and couldn't find out without asking me and if a cop wanted that picture they had to request it from the taker. Now, though, that image can be shuffled off to a giant datacenter to be processed and potentially figure out who I am, coordinating the time, place, clothing, activities, nearby people, and myriad other details and the tech companies have no problem handing it over that information without any of the humans ever knowing.

    I think the simplest solution is that any LEO querying a company's data about a private entity should require a warrant or subpoena. Data sharing agreements between companies and governments should be illegal.

    The longer solution is that collecting and retaining this information "for business purposes" needs to be more heavily regulated. The current definitions of PII are out of date. PII should include things like location, likeness, mood, etc, and the history of those things. Look at what Walmart and others are doing with dynamic pricing, for example.

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  • [–] 54 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    They always bring up that quote about being able to indict a ham sandwich but they never specify the charges.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Well back in the 90's a ham sandwich did choke to death some super obese woman celebrity. I don't know her name I only know of it secondhand because I don't watch that kind of entertainment television crap that I think she was.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    You think that because you have a defective logic. I comminicated what I was told, I did not endorse it as triue.

    You will never achieve literary greatness with your logic here pal.

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  • [–] 51 points 2 months ago

    For once, the law was working.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Looks like Flock is back on the menu!

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    I want to know who the two cunts that down voted this are...

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (5 children)

    What does it say? It looks like a blank comment to me. Maybe that's why they down voted it? I'm viewing it on Thunder, and I guess there are flaws.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It's an image. Is Thunder text only?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It looks like it doesn't show embedded images that don't originate from the Lenny server.

    How do you know which client someone is using?

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  • [–] 43 points 2 months ago

    You know what, the people are alright.

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