Gigabit goal “prejudicial” to satellite and wireless

Ah, so money changed hands. Got it.

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[–] 142 points 2 months ago (15 children)

"Government abandons attempt to electrify lighting, says it's unfair to flammable technologies"

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  • [–] 57 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    Believe it or not, there actually was an effort to block electric lighting. Because it was someone’s job to walk around the neighborhoods and light all of the streetlights. And “protect the jobs” has historically been a really awful argument against technology.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Has the argument been awful, or just the outcome?

    I mean, when have those who lost their jobs due to technological obsolescence actually been looked after directly, rather than left to fend for themselves?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Historically speaking, new technologies tend to create more new jobs than they destroy.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    There was a time that that statement applied to horses as well

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (3 children)

    Won't anybody think of the blacksmiths and stable boys!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    TIL horses worked as blacksmiths and stable boys

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    Sure, but did those jobs go to those who lost theirs? And as others have pointed out, not always and forever. Just logically speaking a lot of automation at best will "free" people to pursue other things, and so could boost creativity and innovation... But people need freedom and financial security for that to be possible.

    In short, I'm shilling for UBI, guaranteed minimum income and other socialist programmed to spread the value gain from technology back into the community.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago*

    An economist visits a site where a canal is being dug. He asks the foreman why the workers are digging with shovels, when a diesel-powered excavator could do the work of a hundred men. The foreman explains that the canal is a jobs project.

    The economist exclaims, "Why didn't you say that it was a jobs project earlier?! These men should be digging with spoons!"

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    In my brother's neighborhood, more than half the houses have gas fueled porch lights. They burn 24/7, because no one wants to remember to turn the gas on/off with the sun or to light them every night. These are homes built in the last 40 years: the gas lights were a 'quaint' fad.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    ...OK but I used to work in a neighborhood where a bunch of people had actual, period exterior gaslights left over from the 19th century. They had been upgraded with digital timers and stuff. Automatic shut-off/restart. That's ridiculous!

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  • [–] 103 points 2 months ago

    Sounds like Elron got involved and started whining

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  • [–] 96 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    "We are eliminating the automotive safety standards because they are unfair to the dangerous cars"

    actual clown logic

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  • [–] 71 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    Major telecommunication companies collected billions of dollars through state rate increases and tax breaks since the 1990s under the promise of building high-speed fiber-optic networks, but largely failed to deliver the fully realized infrastructure.

    So we pay, nothing happened, and now out of fairness, deal with it?

    Brilliant!

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I think they got like 100 billion or more, might have been several hundreds, in the Obama years, never delivered. Then a later administration, I think Biden's, gave them another such deal.

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  • [–] 62 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    so much for a government of the people, by the people, and for the people

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  • [–] 42 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Technologies have more protection against discrimination than people?

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  • [–] 40 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    "Unfair" to telecoms who essentially stole billions from the American taxpayers and didn't build out what was promised

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  • [–] 38 points 2 months ago

    FCC too corrupt to function

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago

    Slower technologies like Starlink. Yup.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    "Government clousures toilet factories, says it's unfair to diaper companies"

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  • [–] 26 points 2 months ago

    That's the fucking point!

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    So that's why vaccinations are dialed back, right? It's unfair to diseases?

    jfc, you really do get the government you deserve, lol /s

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    [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    There is still ISDN in the US and it's still there to uphold artificial scarcity and price fixing. Broadband in the US is basically neutered to ensure that the ISPs can buy cheaper equipment and maintain high pricing.

    It's also why they wanted to remove network neutrality, so they also could gouge small data centres and make backroom deals with big tech giants.

    I know you may hate the word "data centre", but if the small ones can't compete, say goodbye to any form of competition.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    They will literally make arguments for affirmative action and reparations as long as the beneficiary is a rich corporation instead of a human in need.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    It's no longer the land of opportunity, it's the land of mediocrity.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    So we now go back to dialup?

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago

    Those poor cable companies with their outdated tech.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Turtles are great and all, but dammit I want my pipes fast.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    Ah yes. In Germany we call this "Technologieoffenheit" and do not consider internet speeds, but car's.

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  • [+] 28 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)
  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    But to yell at a cloud for a moment, if we're being honest most people should not need gigabit.

    For now*

    The way tech moves, this won’t be the case forever. And it’ll be better to have it already then need it and have to wait another decade for it.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    I get your point but also that's a bias borne from the industrial and technological revolutions, it's entirely possible that we may already are seeing the slow down of large scale technological advances from every 2-4 years seeing major leaps to every ten years or more, hell I cant think of any major tech jumps over the last 10 years of particular note outside of AI (hurk) and battery/ green energy neither of which need faster internet.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    640K ought to be enough for anybody.

    He was wrong then, and you're wrong that nobody needs gigabit. Stop handwringing for big corporations. This isn't a difficult thing to do, it just makes companies slightly less money. America has some of the most expensive internet in the world, and some of the worst per mb.

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    [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    So they're in favor of net neutrality?!

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Thanks Elon.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Do roads next.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Xfinity must have got to them.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Today’s abolitionists aren’t nearly as cool.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    As soon as I hear "FCC" I ignore it as it's nothing more than the old "money/power/control" triumvirate that currently exists within and amongst the trump regime. The people still have the real power. Look at how ABC now has some spine after the people bit hard into their collective subscription coin-gathering process.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (6 children)

    Did they get paid by a POTS modem maker? Is someone trying to resurrect US Robotics?

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    1: Starlink

    2: All providers don’t have to upgrade all of their infrastructure and can sell a 50Mbps link as fast. Backhaul can be much smaller and they can over-sell 50Mbps to a lot more people in a neighborhood than 1000Mbps.

    3: All that core backhaul can be reserved for flock camera cellular feeds and AI datacenter traffic without having to spend on further upgrades.

    A general regression, brought to you by the Regressive party.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    I doubt it, major shift with most carriers to get rid of old switching gear. New gear isn’t being made, old gear is expensive to maintain, and FFC has been changing a lot of rules around the service. Its now, near impossible to get new POTS traditional services anymore. Today it’s mostly POTS in a box; 5G wireless to a ATA device, with battery backup for survivability.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I've always wondered if an old modem would work through VOIP. But it might rely on some frequencies that aren't encoded.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    It will, ther just isn’t much call for it. I used to be in manged services and for some clients analog backup was a requirement, but you typically want those using a POTS line because they are less susceptible to power and network outages. FoIP is a thing, FAX shares the same basic principles, and there are protocols and codecs specifically tailored to provide better FAX transmission reliability.

    Look up PCM, It’s pretty interesting if your into that sort of thing, and there is plenty of room to chase the rabbit.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    I'm not entirely upset at this. It seems like any advances in computing and network speed these days are used as an excuse to collect more data and make software more inefficient. Also from a global warming perspective, if you're into that, it may be time we start looking at things from a sufficiency standpoint rather than efficiency.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    From a global warming perspective, I'm pretty sure fiber is actually the best because it requires less power than any sort of radio, particularly satellite (starlink or whatever). For wired alternatives, you have copper which is a very useful and expensive metal, which would be put to better use elsewhere. It's great for transmitting electricity and heat, just not as great for data.

    Fiber optics are as close to magic as we can get in data transmission. There are very few downsides.

    Plus the data will be collected anyway. The guys running all the services you connect to have their own fiber. AWS and the like roll out their own intercontinental fiber even. The only question is whether American citizens would be entitled to high quality Internet service that they already paid for over 20 years ago or whether it's time to forget all that and settle for less.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    My dad got grumpy when I told him I used an app to do my laundry instead of a sack of quarters. Then he got real grumpy when I explained it was better in every. single. way.

    This is that, in policy form. (EDIT: This is the important part, not how I do my laundry)

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The downside to the app, is 40 or 50 companies and several government agencies now know how much you spend, how much laundry you do, what cycles you chose, what laundromat and what time, and many other downstream metrics, inferred or otherwise.

    Quarters don’t snitch.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    If Tide wants to know when I do my laundry and the settings I use for the trade-off, fine. I accepted that, literally a button I pressed said ACCEPT.

    But eleven quarters per load? Fuck me.

    Quarters don’t snitch

    I'd buy that T-shirt

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    While it might not be apparent when our seemingly unimportant information ends up in the hands of data brokers, it is actually very damaging.

    Information is power, and silicon valley and the data brokers have too much of it. Don't surrender your information if you can help it, there is a reason the world went to shit, and complete informational awareness of our rulers is a very big part of that.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The main disadvantage that I see is the quarter-laundry machines were pretty easy to modify so that you didn't need to pay them. The whole app thing appears to be a lot more difficult to hack, the coin machines can be disabled with a screwdriver.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I do not miss broken laundry rooms. They never stopped at disabling the quarter machine, lets get them quarters that are in there! "Oops, we bent the frame and the door doesn't close until someone comes to fix it." Good times. These good guy hackers you remember running around dispensing free gas and blowing up ATMs never existed.

    BTW, there's still a quarter machine for people that want it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    These good guy hackers you remember running around dispensing free gas and blowing up ATMs never existed.

    My building mysteriously had the wonky coin payment system bypassed after the landlord began to truly embrace his inner pos and stopped fixing them. I feel the other tenants enjoyed the benefits of having the only functional pair of machines in the complex at the low, low cost of press the button more than I did.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Hot take:

    SHOCKING!!!!111 Worst person you know made a good point

    The modern web fucking sucks. Imagine there's no gigabit in the country where most sites are [made|tested|dictated]. Lots of things can be made to make sites suck harder even then, it can't keep going forever this way. It will hit some sort of wall eventually.

    (offtopic but I love how "politics at lemmy dot world" isn't world politics)

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