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[–] 157 points 2 months ago (29 children)

The Chinese aren't ahead of the curb here, they are significantly behind. Flavored cigs got banned in most countries many years ago because they did too good a job. I expect the same thing will happen in China soon.

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  • [–] 110 points 2 months ago (20 children)

    One of the reasons they were banned was also because it made them more attractive to children and teenagers. That's also one of the reasons a lot of places don't allow fancy designs on cigarette packs and it forces them to show those gruesome pictures of throat cancer and stuff.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Exactly, that's why vapes come in many flavours and colours

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago* (14 children)

    It's a bullshit justification. Adults like flavors other than plain tobacco and menthol.

    If it was really about protecting children, they'd ban flavored alcohol too.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago (13 children)

    It's not just about protecting children, it's about protecting everyone.

    Nicotine is wildly addictive. Full stop. It and a host of other chemicals also cause a wide range of health issues that greatly strain the medical system, and put strains on healthcare budgets.

    Since banning the product outright will likely not work, due to the aforementioned addictiveness, sensible countries have adopted a slightly different approach of making the cancer sticks as unappealing as possible, both to keep kids from starting and to help people already addicted quit.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    host of other chemicals also cause a wide range of health issues

    It's mostly the tobacco causing health issues, not the wonderfully addictive nicotine. But yeah, it's a good thing that flavored cigarettes are banned.

    Though it seems like big tobacco found a loophole on the first day, as you can still get menthol cigarettes in EU... it's just not as strongly minted as it was prior to the ban.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I meant other chemicals in the tobacco.

    https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/42/070/42070498.pdf

    And that's the tip of the iceberg, there are chemical washes, pesticides, and other shit that's just as bad.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    The worst is I could smoke 4 full strength hand rolled cigarettes, with all the harm of tobacco, and still be craving a single boxed cigarette because the additives and poisons they mix are missing from my bagged tobacco.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Many places banned caffeinated booze for similar reasons.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The caffinated booze is a different hazard, it allows people who would otherwise go to sleep keep going, now with even worse judgement.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, it was especially bad when it was pre-made like that. Every bar where I live sells energy drinks and they'll mix it with booze for you. But you have to make that decision in the moment as opposed to buying 12 4lokos instead of beers and now every drink you have wires you up more.

    As someone who has to wake up early most days I appreciate the ability to have an energy drink at a bar on a Friday night, but I'm sympathetic to the ban on alcoholic energy drinks

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    They add so much sugar too, which slows absorbtion, so once you feel like you've had enough, you still have a half hour of alcohol that hasn't reached the blood stream. Its like it was designed to get teenagers blacked out.

    It would be less dangerous if they just put 4oz of whiskey with 150mg of caffine.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Ok, if it was about protecting everyone, they'd get rid of flavored alcohol too. Alcohol is one of the most harmful drugs on the planet.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    They tried that. Famously so. So now we pay a fuck load of money trying to get people to willingly stop, and on enforcement of traffic laws.

    Which is why you can still buy your cancer sticks to feed your addiction, but not flavored. Because that's a low hanging fruit. Just ban the cancer companies from flavoring their cancer sticks like candy. Make it obvious that they're selling you your slow, painful death.

    Maybe you're lost in your addiction, but maybe someone else can use this to quit, and maybe a kid won't start. It's all still cheaper than the healthcare costs of tobacco.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Alcohol only negatively affects one person, not everyone around them, and in moderation has almost no negative effects.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    alcohol only negatively effects one person

    Tell that to the hundreds of thousands dead due to drunk driving, or the many women and children who suffer domestic abuse from alcoholics.

    Alcohol is one of , if not the worst drugs for society because it can cause belligerence which can lead to violence, and it lowers inhibitions and cognitive capabilities causing people to do dangerous shit and failing horrifically and harming people like drunk driving.

    In moderation has almost no negative effects

    there is no safe level of alcohol consumption it is poison, and I say that as someone who drinks often.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    Except cigarettes are a state-run monopoly over there.

    The main reason things are going so slowly is that they can't bring themselves to stop making so much money.

    The same institution that's supposed to promote the facts about the health-risks of smoking is the one making stupid amounts of money making and selling it.

    If they ever stop, it'll be because they transition to other nicotine products, or shift to exporting the product to developing countries (which they already are).

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    the tabacco lobby there (state owned, makes basically the same amount of money the chinese military spends) banned flavored vapes so the citizen take cigarettes instead

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Is that gold line where the filter ends?

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I want my smokes to make me feel like I'm dying a little bit, thanks.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    Here ya go bud, 18 mg tar. I think there's an unfiltered too but I can't find it right now.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Or just eat ice cream that isn't laced with a highly addictive substance.

    No?

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    In Iraq rhey have cigs with two different flavor capsules in the filter, it was a novelty. I do remember carrying crushes at bars, in case you met someone who liked menthols. I'm glad I quit, but it was fun at the time.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    I don't miss the smoking so much. I miss the social aspects. I met so many people just by smoking outside occasionally. Didn't even have to do anything. Just stand there and stuff starts happening around you.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    Hmmm cancer scent.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    So theres this american dude on youtube who cycles through China and the way he connects to locals is usually by offering cigarettes. Very fun videos; "Bicycling trough China, one cigarette at a time" was the first I think I saw.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago

    Then nut cancer from the mystery carcinogens.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago* (3 children)

    cigarette

    every bite

    unsubscribes

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    My hope is that part is a mistranslation. The picture shows it being lit, anyway.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago

    This is great it's basically saying: this lung cancer tastes great!

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago* (3 children)
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    I don't like smoking. I think I ought to be free to decide that for myself. I can't, or by proxy, make that determination for anyone else - even though I don't think they should be smoking if they choose to.

    If it didn't make so much money, kids wouldn't be vaping. It's an integral part of the American performance that, "nothing we can do about it", is just what everone sees, and therefore thinks. We could prosecute parents for letting their kids have them, prosecute the gas stations for peddling it, prosecute the companies making them cheap and disposable. All of that would turn off the faucet on a billion dollar industry though, so it becomes part of our performance in one way or another. We have fundamentally bet that our world is a better place with smoking children in it, than without. That is what Capitalism does, that is how it does it. That is why it needs to be controlled like a rabid dog on a leash.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    I HATE that THC disposables are legal. I've had 2 of them and keep them in a little jar in case they ever randomly choose to catch fire

    also not to mention how horrible they are for you. I only used them when I was a minor and couldn't get weed by myself. (admittedly I am the issue 😅)

    There's not enough education that you can enjoy weed without risking lung cancer by using a dry herb vaporizer and keeping it at ~380°F (depends on the strain tho) and it doesn't make you cough up a lung every time you take a blinker!! also flower is cheaper than carts too!! (though the device is a bit of an investment at $200).

    it's fucking great and I'm tired of getting "I don't care about my body" from ppl any time I recommend it because I love my friends and want them to understand what they're actually doing!!!

    also it has a pocket bong attachment. Bitches love the pocket bong.

    edit: also I forgot to mention you can bake the burnt flower in brownies or something and get a BONUS high from the same flower. I don't understand why normal bowls are used at all tbh, they're so wasteful

    edit 2: also I only talk about weed and not nicotine because I am NOT responsible enough to expose myself to chemically addictive drugs

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I've got bad lungs and a dry herb vape was a game changer. I miss the taste of burning flower, but it's not bad and it feels so much less rough. I'm off pot at the moment, but when I'm back to doing it, dry herb + edibles all the way.

    And yeah fuck disposables.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    The FDA is the reason sketchy Chinese disposables flooded the market. They killed the industry here to protect tobacco tax revenue.

    Before that, there were manufacturers using ISO certified cleanrooms to produce eliquid who voluntarily submitted to 3rd party audits. They all closed doors because the FDA forced them to submit every SKU to the PMTA process, which costs $250k-2m per SKU.

    That means that for one eliquid flavor, they'd need to submit a separate PMTA request for every nicotine strength and base ratio, which could end up costing tens of millions for nothing if the PMTA was denied.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Meanwhile can't even get menthols in MA.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    In Search of Lost Time for the twitter era

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Can we please not advertise cigarettes on Lemmy?

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Looks like Asian plums. I've seen that it's a popular flavor in candy and stuff in Japan at least.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Welcome to flavor country

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