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[–] 51 points 2 months ago (20 children)

Star Wars. It's not perfect, and sometimes bad, but avoiding the fanbase gives me peace.

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  • [–] 41 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    No one hates star wars / Trek like star wars / Trek fans.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    It’s the rule of 3! For both Star Wars / Trek, I only like 3 movies / series!

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I’m old school. For SW it’s the OG trilogy all the way. For Trek it’s TOS, TNG, and DS9!

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (11 children)

    I actually liked the most recent star wars movie. there I said it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    I desperately hope you don't mean episode 9.

    Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but damn, do you even like the rest of it? Or other sci-fi and fantasy in general?

    The absolute disrespect of not bothering to try to create a coherent world in episodes 7-9 was staggering.

    If a piece of media's plot or storytelling is a bit meh, that's forgivable, but when you're just straight up not bothering to think of the logistics or established rules within a fantasy/sci-fi world? Please no. Please stop.

    Or at least be writing something supernatural where there are barely any rules and you can hand waive whatever you like.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I'm not the biggest fan of 9, I liked the mandalorian movie

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    Ah, I haven't been keeping up to date! Shall check it out :)

    Not in love with all of Disney star wars, but Andor is hands down the greatest Star Wars I've seen, so I'll forgive them for the rest of the stuff I don't like as much (not including Star Wars episodes 7-9, straight to jail)

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I just couldnt get into andor, and I say that thinking the best star wars movie is rogue one lmao. it was just a little bit too much talking for me.

    I gave up on it midway through season two, maybe I'll give it another shot now that xmen 97 ended its second season

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I suppose we just enjoy different things about Star Wars then, for me it's all about the world building, and seeing how characters act within it, the battles and action are just a climax to everything else (I feel this way about all sci-fi and fantasy).

    Not saying you only watch it for the battles, but I do mostly watch it for the talking haha

    It's why I still very much enjoy the prequels, despite them being pretty shoddy on the plot (Anakin's fall could have been written soooo much better written it hurts. Probably would have needed an extra movie to really sell it though. The Clone Wars TV show episode where Tarkin and Anakin meet for the first time was great if I recall correctly. It made kinda make sense why Anakin bought into fascism in the end.)

    To me there's no such thing as a food sci-fi and fantasy without politics (in the sense that there's some disagreement which motivates people). More trade disputes and blockades please, less holdo maneuvers that break existing rules of the world. The holdo maneuver would have been great to destroy the Death Star with some Kamikaze X-Wings jumping to hyperspace through it...

    The battles, to me, are only interesting if one fleshes out the world and the political disagreements.

    I once started watching a Chinese fantasy show (was learning Chinese, and like sci-fi/fantasy) and it opened with a 10 minute battle, no context. Immediately turned it off, like why do I care, show?

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  • [–] 30 points 2 months ago

    lemmy.world/c/formula1 is small enough that we occasionally acknowledge a race happened.

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  • [–] 79 points 2 months ago (15 children)
  • [–] [S] 15 points 2 months ago (14 children)

    Definitely this! I lost my love of the show after the 4th season due to the fans.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I kinda fell off around then as well. I started watching sometime around the end of season 2 airing, and I remember how fun and exciting it was. I'm not sure the show was meant to go on as long as it did. I think that's a big problem with things getting popular too, is this desire to keep things going past their expiration date.

    Credit where it's due, Netflix does the limited series thing and I like that. Let's state from the beginning: this is it. Now, Netflix also just cancels shows it shouldn't, and that's massively disappointing, so debit where it's due too (that's an opposite of credit but obviously not the right one but I can't think of the word and I gotta wrap this thing up).

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (10 children)

    What happened? I only lightly watched the show.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    They turned into a pickle, funniest shit I ever seen.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    That’s when I stopped watching. It was so stupid that it just turned me off.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    The joke was that there was no joke, Rick is just being an asshole and disappointing everyone around him. But between that and the shezuan sauce incident, I realized the fandom has literally zero media literacy, they're just clapping at shapes and colors.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Everyone's media literacy, reading comprehension, ability to appreciate nuance or capacity to consider multiple non-mutually-exclusive ideas in their head at once is vanishing.

    It's actually so fucking depressing to see how many people who I agree with politically and ethically are also kind of stupid and seem to have peaked intellectually.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    I don't know if its gotten worse, we should expect it to have gotten better now that people consume more media than ever.

    If judging from my trump-supporting, boomer extended family playing Jimmy Hendrix's Star Spangeled Banner at a 4th of July cookout, it was always terrible.

    These include people who are still mad at Jane Fonda and blame the vietnamese for defending themselves.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    A lot of folks have watched the show and come to the conclusion that it's an endorsement of their lifestyles which they view as similar to Rick at the start of the series, plus the extremely toxic behavior that comes along with the impression that you're better than everyone and your intelligence justifies any behavior you are criticized for

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Yeah. Used to be like that. What a shitty way to live. Denying any need to change by claiming superior intelligence over the people suggesting change, even though you're desperately unhappy.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Or liking things that doesn't have a big fan base works too. For instance, a lot of novels.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Meanwhile, when novels do have a relatively large fanbase, boy, better stay away from them

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    That is such a ravenclaw thing to say.

    Brb, writing GRRM a letter asking him to finish writing my slop before he dies.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    First two books of ASoI&F were pretty good, I thought. Then the rest were just him writing himself in circles, ever more slowly. Then the TV adaptation came out, to initially great acclaim, and then ended with a damp fart.

    Yes, there were more problems with the end of the show than just his plot, or lack of it, but I can't see that the ending will be redeemed without substantial changes, and his skills as a writer don't really extend to "writing towards the desired ending".

    I think if we do ever get a conclusion to the book series, it will be written by someone else; I believe he's left instructions to destroy all his notes and work-in-progress when he dies?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Even if you interact with the fandom, you are certainly not doing it in public, be it on forum, Reddit, Lemmy or Discord, you will encour the risk of gettin flashed with either some strange images or see other things you don't wanna see and this get worse the bigger the fandom get

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  • [–] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Warhammer/Warhammer 40k

    Love the games an the lore but I wouldn't touch the fandom with a 10 foot pole. Some of the absolute worst degenerates in there...

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago

    My experience is 50/50. Half the fandom are smart enough to see the lore is mostly satire meant to be silly exaggeration, the other half has a power fantasy from different, but overlapping backgrounds (misogynist, racist, homophobic, etc).

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    Sonic the Hedgehog for me. I love the franchise, but I stay clear of the fandom. So many weird people latch onto Sonic stuff and make it all icky and creepy. I guess that's what happens when a company like SEGA claims "Everything is canon."

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Also perverts. I was absolutely obsessed with Sonic Archie comics and finding forums as a kid was how I learned about furry porn. Scarred and older, a decade later, saw how cool Sonic Mania was and wanted to interact with others. And there it was again... Pervert shit.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I've been mostly obsessed with the comics as well. I built a website just to track all the comics and arrange their covers in proper reading order.

    It's out of date right now (I'm currently working to get it updated, actually), but all the Archie Sonic comics are listed in order. You can check it out here.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago

    I at least like that a few pieces of Sonic media lampshade this.

    In one episode of Sonic Boom (a show designed to be watched high by adults) he’s kidnapped by an aardvark that’s a rabid fan.

    “Oh! N-no, I wasn’t trying to escape, I was just…reading some of this fanfiction! Ooh. Sonamy, spicy!”
    “Oh. Yeah, I don’t really even care for it, but it seems requisite for the readers.”

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    This is kinda funny for me because "Sega" is an Italian slang to say "masturbation" which seems rather fitting to the fandom

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  • [–] 36 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Honestly, linux for me (yes I know where I am). Love the software and options, but holy shit is the fanbase incredibly opinionated and full of condescension about it. Also they don’t know how to shut the fuck up about it, and constantly bring it up where it doesn’t belong. Like its a personality trait to them or something.

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    [–] 17 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Skoolies for me. A few years ago I bought a used school bus and started converting it into a motorhome. I made an account at the main forum (skoolie.net) because there were people there that actually knew useful stuff, primarily about metalworking (which I'd never done before) and the mechanical aspects of bus ownership (which I still don't know shit about).

    Surprisingly (or maybe not) skooliers heavily tend towards being right-wing, trump-loving, gun-toting, immigrant-hating wankers. There are exceptions but they always end up being driven away. The thought of going to one of the annual skoolie gatherings is nightmare fuel for me.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    skooliers heavily tend towards being right-wing, trump-loving, gun-toting, immigrant-hating wankers.

    Years ago my dad bought an old school bus because he wanted to convert it into a motor home with private bathroom and a garage in the back for his motorcycle for trips to the Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.

    Apart from the fact that he never got around to doing any work on the bus and eventually gave up and unloaded it on someone, your description would have been completely accurate.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Your dad did the right thing. I got mine 95% done at the cost of tens of thousands of dollars and arthritis basically everywhere, just for the honor of paying $100 a month to park it at a U-haul lot. I know how to weld and rivet now, just as useless as the bus.

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  • [–] -3 points 2 months ago* (4 children)

    all the people i have known in metalwork or maker spacers were all far-left and kept injecting their politics and insecurity about being 'authentic' and 'cool' into everything. it's a major turn off.

    i have no idea how heating up pieces of metal to merge them together or other stuff like that has anything to do with politics, but people can't help themselves. Also these spaces in my experience... were all well-off white people desperately trying to 'signal' they were not like 'white people'.

    anyways, i take those kinda classes and hobby things at adult education centers and libraries and such... because no politics. a lot older crowd though but a lot less massive insecurity and injection of identity insecurity into everything. turns out the really cool people are the boring uncool ones.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (2 children)

    insecurity about being ‘authentic’

    This insecurity about being authentic has pervaded so many things, even absent any real political context. LIke people will suddenly whip out "You know, nachos aren't really authentic Mexican food, they're Tex-Mex cuisine." Okay, what do you expect me to do in that situation, spit it out and go "Ugh, that's disgusting!" Authentic or not, they're still delicious. I totally get pursuing authenticity when you're trying to preserve a culture and are worried it's under threat, but it gets brought into absolutely ridiculous contents, often by people who have no real basis or authority to be the arbiters of authenticity for what they're discussing in the first place as a way to try and make themselves seem more worldly.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    What. Have you ever been to Texas? Queso is tex-mex. Nachos are something else. Queso is better.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Wasn't really a competition, just for illustrating a point. I've only passed through Texas for a layover, but honestly, Texas as a state has zero appeal to me. I'd rather just go to Mexico for better versions of pretty much anything in Texas that's remotely interesting to me, while avoiding a fair chunk of the things that make Texas so miserable a prospect to me in the first place.

    Besides, Texans might have improved upon nachos at some point, but claiming you have a superior version doesn't invalidate that nachos have already been widely accepted as a Tex-Mex dish. "Nachos are a Tex-Mex dish" is the opening to the wiki article on them, with 8 different citations to back up that claim.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It was so weird to study in STEM and meet other Star Trek fans in the cantina. Now there is something wrong with Wesley Crusher and I'm supposed to hate him and project that on the child actor, too? And when Jeri Ryan is nice enough to come all the way to a European convention, they yell "strip"? (At least they were disgusted as well about the latter, just reported others doing it.)

    No thanks, I'll hang out with decent people.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago

    Every few years I find a kpop act I like but holy shit, the fanbase is fucking horrible. I'd rather try getting into League again before I'd interact with those creatures.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    My exception to this rule is Pokémon ROM hacks, relatively small fan base though which helps

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    I have found another.

    Did you try Phoenix Red 2.0 yet? I’m also excited for the 2 demakes of Alola that are upcoming.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I haven’t! I’m going through Elysium for the first time on an Rg34xx, feels sooooo cool.

    The Aloha ones are like my most anticipated games on the horizon, not just for rom hacks but full stop! Lazarus was easily my favorite game of the year, I’m really trying not to do a 4th play through lol

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Lazarus was so good. I ended up throwing speed up on to shiny hunt all the static encounters towards the end of the game. Was a great time.

    Plus I loved the Alolan Raichu buff. Surge Surfer creating an electric terrain + Choic Specs/Focus Sash meant that my Raichu was dominating. Just had to watch for the occasional sucker punch or pursuit haha.

    I had fun with Odyssey, too. I’m not as excited for Odyssey 2, however. Not really sure why actually.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Amazing Digital Circus for me. Sad that I know people who didnt watch the show just because they wanted to avoid the fans.

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    A friend of my fiancee is a fan and put an episode on when we were over once.

    I'm autistic but I'm not that fucking autistic. It takes a lot to make me cringe, but that show does it every other line, and seeing the friend squee at this strange rapey clownshow was almost enough for me to ask if we were sure about including them in the wedding party.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    it's existential horror with absurd comedy elements. Pretty much the definition of "not for everyone", so it's not surprising some (most?) people strongly dislike it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Yup. I recognize it's not for me, and I recognize that had it not been for that cringe fan pushing it on us I might have given it a proper chance (much like Rick & Morty, a show I will never watch but still absolutely despise because of the fans).

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    There's so many bands I love and I don't even have a clue what they look like much less know anything about their fan base

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    I’m interacting with you directly because I’m not the best interactor and I need the practice. Thanks for the reminder.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    I attempt to only talk about these things with IRL friends. When our opinions disagree, we're all nice about it. When we agree, it's really fun to geek out on it together.

    Even when we disagree, it can be fun to hear the reasons why. Because we don't attack each other over personal preferences.

    But trying to do that online? Nah. Tis a silly place.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    That’s the difference with political discourse today. You had an obligation to be nice to people in fear of getting punched. Too many people cower behind keyboards with big opinions today because they know if they acted like that in public they would be hit.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    dude, lucky you don't live where i live because... they act like that in person where i live. and yeah nobody punches them. they encourage them for being 'brave'. and if you be like 'yeah maybe it's not that bad' they scream in your face.

    where i live there really isn't much of a barrier anymore between keyboard tantrums and real life ones... which is precisely why I don't go out less and less. at least once a week I have to watch someone have a tantrum or be really nasty to someone else and it's almost always the same types of comments and reactions as you see on the internet.

    it's incredibly cringe. and nobody pushes back because... other people agree with the shitty awful insane entitled crap people pull.

    Like i can't even go read a book in a cafe anymore without some insane weirdo being all offended at me. I used to do it like on an almost daily basis and nobody ever bothered me other than to maybe ask me if i liked the book... now they come up to me unprompted and tell me how what I'm reading is racist/sexist/evil because it's... classic lit from the 19th century and I am 'spreading' evil by reading these book sin public... it's strait up 'evil spirits' medieval type shit, except I'm the witch.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    I have a group of friends who have very distant opinions on the types of things we like, and having friendly arguments over these things is one of the highlights of my week.

    I daren't even enter a forum for any of those hobbies online.

    I recently discovered that a band I like not only has a subreddit dedicated to hating it, there's another subreddit dedicated to making fun of the other subreddit. This is in addition to the main subreddit which, can you believe? Is filled with drama over the other two, in addition to gushing over the artist who, quite frankly, is only ok. It's kinda niche so they get a decent following just by filling in an undeserved market.

    But if this artist ran over a nun after robbing a bank, it wouldn't even make front page news in LA.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    I used to have this... then the woke nutbags came along and decided all that mattered about you was your minor disagreements and you were a demonic evil person. I miss those days.

    in real life. but i live in a 'progressive' city full of people who have very reactionary attitudes. 10 years ago nobody cared about these things, and now it's like all they razor focus on and they are super presumptive of.

    i literally went out to a place last night i used to hang out at with some friends.... and the stereotypical woke person came up to me and told me I was 'being problematic by taking up the corner' or something, and I was like 'yeah I'm trying to just do my thing here and not bother anyone' and then they proceeded to tell me how i had to move because i was making them uncomfortable by doing my own thing and it bothered them. I rolled my eyes and they went away and I just decided to leave because it's like... I get it you don't want me to be here because I'm don't look like you and it upsets you, even if I am literally just chilling and being nice. but since I take care of myself and am comfortable being quiet and chilling, i'm a 'threat' now.

    and way too many of my old friends have become that person... the 'concerned' person who thinks me eating a tuna fish sandwich means I'm now a 'bad person'. It's like, why bother interacting with you at all ever? all they live for is being miserable and whiny and blaming other people for their feelings.

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