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[–] 121 points 2 months ago (17 children)

Also, without mentioning a name, we all know who this is about.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 months ago

    I subscribe to a gaming podcast called Nexlander; they have a subscription tier where they’ll read off your name at the end of their main weekly podcast. Every week one of the names is “Maybe today is the day it finally happens” and I have one singular thought every single time that handle is read aloud.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Honestly there like 3 people that could trigger this.

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  • [–] 8 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

    In no particular order: Trump, Putin, Netanyahu Musk.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Murdoch? Putin? Bibi? The AI/tech bros? The list is crazy long.

    On the world stage the orange pedo clown is mostly a joke. I have a bottle chilling in the fridge for Murdoch.

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  • [–] 184 points 2 months ago* (22 children)

    While that will certainly happen, it won't end the environment that created him or the interests he represents. A brief respite, is as optimistic as I dare to be.

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  • [–] 85 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    I'm just looking forward to not hearing him voice his pedo rapist opinions anymore. It's a particular frequency that just won't exist anymore once his pedo mouth is permanently silenced.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    Actually, you mentioning that specific trait of him reminded me that the FBI and other American autorities have been protecting the pedos and the pedo ring by covering up their activities for decades, much longer than Trump has been President and through both Republican and Democrat administrations.

    Which kinda reinforces the point of the previous poster about the environment that created them and the interests he represents - they've been there for much longer than he's had power and clearly they're neither changing nor leaving.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 months ago* (11 children)

    I don’t even expect a respite- someone will pick up the “populist” mantle immediately. At best, it would be just a changing of the mask

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    A number of people are clearly already trying. They are all failing miserably. Amazingly, none of them have as much charisma, at least not with such a wide audience.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    None of them had a 14-year propaganda campaign to convince Americans that they're "good at business."

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Trump also represents a pretty impressive combination of horrible, charismatic, and authentic.

    He is truly, truly horrible. He embodies the ugliness that a lot of people see in the world and in themselves, and is willing to cause harm to the world around him in a way that they wish they could.

    He is, in his own utterly fucked up way, charismatic. He's eager to aggressively beclown himself for applause and to sell his poison in a way that Stephen Miller or Ron DeSantis couldn't match.

    He's authentically awful. Every word he says serves his own corrupt enrichment and aggrandizement, and he makes no secret of that, even when telling lies. When he's lying, he's obviously lying. When he's stupid, he's authentically stupid, not pretending.

    Voters are very sensitive to all three of those categories, and they can tell when someone isn't entirely any one of them. Trump is the rare beast to max out all three.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Anyone smarter will damage the country less. Anyone dumber will drool on themselves while trying to speak.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Anyone smarter will damage the country differently. There is currently an economic force pushing the US toward a future where its citizens are separated and specific groups disenfranchised to pull money toward the ultra-wealthy and major voting blocs. Fewer overtly stupid decisions, plenty of horrors to come.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It's rare for cults to survive after their leader dies.

    I don't see the movement continuing. Some will rally to the new face, but many won't.

    Even today support for Trump is slowly waning with his base growing smaller. The issue with the American system is he can lose all support today and continue. Even if dems retake a majority in the Senate it takes 2/3rds vote to remove the president.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 months ago

    No. You’ll get 20 new clowns all fighting to be the new king. With luck they’ll eat each other as they step on the backs of everyone else. You want to see change, project 2025 needs to burn.

    Also eat the rich.

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  • [–] 63 points 2 months ago

    What's the joke again?

    Man stops at a newsagent every day to read the headlines but never buys a paper.
    When asked, he says "I'm looking for an obituary."
    When the newsagent tells him obituaries aren't on the front pages he says
    "The one I'm looking for will be."

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  • [–] 36 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I love how everyone knows exactly who this is referring to without including his name.

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  • [–] 69 points 2 months ago

    From what I've heard, the moon landing was pretty much a global celebration, but yeah, would be a bit different.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    We’ll call it Cholesterol Day.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I think that relies too much on genetics and unfortunately the parents lived to 90+

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  • [–] 25 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Kissinger was a pretty good starter.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago

    ... with a very broad definition of "human being"

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  • [–] 47 points 2 months ago (22 children)

    I've been looking forward to his death too but the more I think about it, it's a mistake to think his death will somehow change the direction things are going

    America is conveniently putting all the blame on Trump and ignoring that it took a lot of people to put Anerica in the position it's in. If the problem were JUST Trump, he wouldn't have come anywhere close to being elected. A sane country would have reacted to his behaviour by laughing him off and never giving him any votes or airtime. Trump is in power because an alarming number of Americans (not necessarily a majority, but a lot) agree with him

    I've always been annoyed by people wanting to go back in time and kill Hitler. If it wasn't Hitler, it just would have been someone else. There's this strange persistent myth that if we get rid of one evil man, it all goes away. Hitler didn't singlehandedly kill 11 million people. 11 million people aren't rounded up and killed because one man decided to do it, it required people to go along with it

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    I mean, of course, then again uniting under a single banner/man does make the faction stronger, under him they simply can't make any mistake, someone else would have a harder time getting away with the same things.

    This does not take anything away from how evil they are and how they still exist and will after him

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    Why would someone else have a harder time getting away with stuff? What is special about Trump? I legit don't understand how he gets away with things that supposedly nobody else would. Has he made a deal with the devil for immunity from all possible consequences? I'm legitimately asking, why is he different?

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (1 child)

    Yeah he just made a deal with the devil... Nah, in all seriousness it's the way he appeals to the uneducated and hateful masses. You can't replicate his special mix of pure hatred and greed inorganically. It isn't that there can't be another, more so that no one even remotely in a position where they could take over doesn't have the same undeniable sway. They'll stop being so united.

    Doesn't mean they'll stop being a threat, it'll just mean it's a bit easier to deal with

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  • [–] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Yes.

    Trump is the symptom, not the disease.

    Its obvious the big big money players are driving his agenda.

    They are daring the poor people to fight for their existence.

    PS: re: Hitler. Go back in time. Take meth and cash. Find hitler. Get him on meth, buy enough art to get him notoriety, teach him punk music, let punk music advance egalitarian freedom and anarchy, so fascism has harder time gaining traction.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I would blame the non voters and misinformation and the complacency of it more.

    The reps are evil in nature and simply feed on such opportunities. They will always be there. The evil will always be there. Everything else adapts with time to prevent it from such power.

    This time we all let ourselves down on this one.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 months ago* (5 children)

    I don't think that's true at all, "if not Hitler then someone else", as if it was some kind of unavoidable deterministic fate.

    Personally I will just be ecstatic over never having to hear his dumb fucking voice again.

    The cabal of fascists infesting and rotting democracy like termites will have to be dealt with and if anything, at least our shared hatred of Trump has made us come together and organize and prepare to fumigate the whole fucking place.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Trump has a cult of personality that took years to build, and isn't simply transferred to someone else. MAGA doesn't survive if he's gone. Will there still be fascists, racists, and so on? Yes, but they won't be unified anymore, and they won't be grouped together with the rest of the right anymore either. This will be good for the left in the short term because the right will be less powerful, but also bad for the left because it won't be as easy to attack the right.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    No doubt it will hurt them, but they will recoalesce into some new golem down the line, and I don't think it'll take long. They're loud and energetic, all that energy still has to go somewhere- and remember the fundamentalist Christians. They sure as hell ain't leaving anytime soon, and they're already mobilized and old in the game. I think once the Diaper Balloon pops whoever grabs the throne will be pushed as the new idol and FOX et al will brainwash the crowd into supporting them.

    That's my bet at least.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    My fear, concern, and prediction is that they will recoalesce. They won't go back to being normal, if they ever were. All that hatred and indoctrination isn't gonna disappear, it will always be looking for a vent, and you just wait and see, someone will come along to take charge soon enough.

    I don't even feel like I'm being cynical, you know.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    It would have been somebody else just as it would be someone else now if not Trump. This is just how the political tide keeps turning

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    That was never inevitable. The breeding ground, or the bacterial culture was spreading in the vat, but certainty was never on the table. We can change things, we can avert disaster, we can elect competent leaders. Case in point: Mamdani.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    Yes and no. You're certainly right, most of Trump's popularity comes from Russian propaganda, and far more institutional issues like underfunded education, the blind eye to the Southern states after the Civil War, leftover Red Scare paranoia, and rampant lobbying.

    That being said, using the disease metaphor, I think of Trump as more of a "complication" than a "symptom". Something that's drastically exacerbated a problem that was already there. Every other politician, even ones as corrupt and self-serving and dictatorial as him, all have to play the PR game and dress their rancid fantasies up as something that would benefit the public. Trump meanwhile, can transparently go back on every single promise, back stab his every last ally, out himself as perhaps the most prolific paedophile in human history, and order his fans into a street militia, and somehow, his supporters just accept it as part of his "brand".

    The US was probably always going in this direction, but I still think it wouldn't have got here half as fast, maybe not even a third of the speed Trump's been disassembling it without him. I don't really know why Trump's popularity was never affected by his vile actions until this year - they would sink any other public figure. Maybe it's the right wing press playing defense for him at every turn, maybe it was his "joke candidate" status he earned back in 2015, maybe it's his history in the public spotlight. Whatever it is, far right politicians around the world have tried to replicate what Trump has, and they've all failed. Because of that, I still think that the Big Beautiful Obituary will be well worth celebrating!

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago

    You have to take small victories while understanding the bigger picture. It will still be glorious, although I am saving up cheap 100 proof vodka as the asshat does not deserve good booze or my money in buying said booze. I might add a champagne if it's less than 20 bucks.

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  • It's more about hoping the cult breaks down and won't be unified anymore. Maybe vance can't jedi mind trick people the same way or something? Republican party fractures, rfk jr becomes totally irrelevant, etc.

    But yes long terms the problems are still there, the hope is for some kind of respite, force the fascist elements to retreat, and democracy fashions some tools to defend itself better moving forward.

    But yeah idk i really hope all the epstein stuff can come out, for example -- more witnesses come forward, actual accountability and jail time for the perps involved -- but it would not be a huge surprise if none of that ever happens

    In terms of hitler, if he had died in the war or something, maybe France would have gone full fascist genocide. France was really a leader of antisemitism much more so than Germany before hitler rose to power. But of course, those are the kinds of hypotheticals that can only have absurd answers.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    Perversely, the "great men" view of history that prompts us to want to kill baby hitler is an authoritarian one.

    Authoritarian leaders often adopt the narrative that they are special saviors uniquely equipped to fix the problems of the world. The much less romantic truth is that even if we could trust someone with that kind of power, the problems that plague our world are too big to be solved by a single person, no matter how well-intentioned or capable that person may be.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Ok, but what if it really is him? I mean if we're assigning moral blame then you're right: many, many people are responsible. But negative outcomes for evil beliefs aren't a given. What if people are always just this stupid, and it took a certain person with certain traits to bring this out of them? Did people change, or were they just latently stupid but mostly harmless this entire time? Things were going pretty well for a while there, so what if we were teetering on the edge that whole time?

    His death might also give some of the smarter fascists an off-ramp, which could reduce their critical mass. I'm NOT saying they deserve an off-ramp, but if it means society starts heading in the right direction again, maybe it's worth it. We'd all prefer to excise the tumor completely, but sometimes that seems impossible. Remission would still be a blessing.

    I guess what I'm saying is, let's not be too cynical while we're celebrating this person's death.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    I kind of agree with you, but his death will still be celebrated. When you get a mosquito it won't significantly change how many bites you get at the end of the day but it still feels fuckin great

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Oh there's definitely going to be some celebrating going on and I imagine it'll probably be people getting fired and fights at work because it'll be a bunch of sad weirdos upset because their king is gone . Then it's going to be the ones who'll swear that he was "taken out" . It'll be a celebration but also a bunch of weird shit going on .

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  • [–] 15 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I wish I could agree, but from the UK to Germany to Australia to South Africa, not insignificant amounts of people have taken a look at the USA and gone "I want some of that too". At least Americans had the 'excuse' of thinking they were gonna get cheaper eggs or some shit. But the people who have had the advantage of watching this unfold from the outside and still want their own wannabe MAGA movements, are just trash with no excuse.

    I think a 3rd of the world will celebrate, a 3rd will cry, and the other 3rd won't be able to tell the difference between the other two.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It would be an interesting stat. What percentage of the world's population got drunk celebrating your death? Hitler probably tops the leaderboard still.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Hitler probably still has the highest percent, but the likes of Putin and Trump might overtake him easily when they go since the world is a lot more connected and it's basically impossible not to hear the news now.

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