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[–] 49 points 2 months ago (1 child)

Not going to argue, but people paying a fascist for their blue checkmark should maybe take a long look in the mirror.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 months ago (22 children)

    American food is usually hybrid food based on other cultures, either with american ingredients (potatos, tomatos, peppers) or multiple cultures blending together.

    Some that I would think should be considered good american food:

    smoked/BBQ, Cajun food, generally Southern Cooking, American Chinese food, Tex Mex, Lobster and sorta all those northeastern cuisines, hamburgers and hotdogs.

    I don't know why people think America does food bad, we're not one of the fattest countries because our food sucks.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 months ago (12 children)

    I agree, but also - tomatoes and potatoes are from the Americas - so that pizza in Italy? It is ALSO 'fusion' food.

    That's just how food works. People eat what's available, and more stuff has become available over the past few hundred years. heh.

    I think the whole thing is silly. Enjoy good food! Who cares about the rest?

    And sure, I make authentic creole dishes as well as southern, and some legit texmex. But if I didn't, if I made tasty food, who the hell cares? lol.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (9 children)

    Tex mex is soooo good but the name makes it sound like "shitty American version of Mexican food" when that couldn't be further from the truth

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (8 children)

    Only if you have insufficient love and respect for Texas (ignore recent fascist bullshit). :D

    But I think it works. It takes the best from both to come up with... well... in practice, you can take a few ingredients and make them into a lot of different things...... but they are all very tasty, so there's that. hehe

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    No no, no disrespect intended by that. It just sounds like a knockoff. Fool's gold, mocktail, texmex, etc.

    To anyone unfamiliar, texmex is not some sort of "what if we combined X and Y?" Michelin star fusion. It's the natural evolution of cuisine trade between northern Mexicans and Texans (tejanos). A lot of things people think of as Mexican are actually texmex. Like fajitas. I think queso or nachos?

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (6 children)

    Lighthearted exhortation - I still love a lot about Texas, but there's a lot going wrong there. Was basically playing with you a little very very very indirectly alluding to the "Don't Mess With Texas" slogan :)

    Very well explained, I think. Don't discount the Native American contributions, too!

    Some of the dishes of Tex-Mex:

    • Chili con carne
    • Fajitas
    • Nachos
    • Hard-shell tacos
    • yellow chile con queso (Mexican uses white cheese, Tex-Mex uses yellow cheese)

    Also, interestingly, the entree-with-rice-and-beans is also Tex-Mex.

    It's wild that people dismiss the cuisine as some sort of lesser thing. It's just how food works - ideas spread, ingredients spread, people create new things that stick around and BAM you have a new cuisine. :)

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    See, even I didn't know that about the rice.

    I think a lot of cuisines south of the mason dixon get a bad reputation because of the people.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    I agree, and I think it's unfair. lol. There's a definitely divide betwen urban people and rural people, and I'm not talking politics here.

    Urban people all have to get along in a shared space. They don't wave and say "howdy' every time they pass on the street because they'd go hoarse within an hour. Rural people tend not to encounter as many people.

    Rural people recognize that strangers being around is much more likely to be bad news. Help is also farther away. So there's a tendency for a culture of self-reliance, and suspicion of outsiders.

    If you know someone rural, there's a good chance they'd give you the shirt off their back if you needed help and they were able to help. People have to help each other, there's nobody else that can.

    In an urban environment, we're more used to being able to have social safety nets - even if we largely don't in the US - and being able to call someone to help someone in need.

    So I think a lot of the reputation is undeserved. Good people and bad people everywhere.

    I do think the fascist figured out that the rural folks were easier to manipulate, although they do try to manipulate everyone.

    But anyway. lol.

    Certainly the food of the South is generally fantastic. And it should count toward honest US cuisine. People don't consider it to be haute cuisine, so they downplay it - but consistently people outside the US who come and try it love it. lol.

    And then you get into places like Louisiana and Cajun and Creole, for example, and there's a whole other little world of delightful things.

    It's wild to me because as Americans we tend to take pride in far too many things we shouldn't, and yet we are down on ourselves about our food that is legitimately awesome.

    I mean, take pizza and burgers - the ideas came from elsewhere, but we made both of those things our own. They are fully American in the way they're presented to the point that it is generally our version of those things that has spread back around the world (and then locally enhanced and changed in places). lol.

    But that's just how it goes. Curry went from India to Britain, and then when it went fro Britain to Japan, they call it "English curry". And now I buy "Japanese curry" (S&B brand) because I love it and love the Japanese "English" curry that came from India. lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    I really should have clarified "the popular depictions of the people" but yeah, half of my family is from Georgia so I spent a lot of time in the south over the years. There's certainly no shortage of good people but stereotype unfortunately exists for a reason. That said, those same people are in rural Michigan, Indiana, Wyoming, New York...but I guess they don't have the slavery connotations

    Funny you bring up Indian food....literally 10 minutes ago I was explaining the cuisine to a coworker who had never tried it and suggested she give Tikka Masala a spin. And then explained how it's Indian food but also probably British.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    Oh man, I would love to be able to go down the journey of discovery on Indian food. Although I guess for that matter, I haven't had a whole bunch. More of the "packets" you can buy (although at least those are generally made in India and shipped heh), only because most Indian places I've encountered are..... not cheap. heh. I wish more cuisines had buffets so you can try more stuff :) I have to be careful because I can't do onions or bell peppers unless they're cooked to smithereens like in gumbo. heh.

    And yeah, plenty of asshats in rural, but also urban. :) But I do think, bringing politics back into it....... we definitely have a huge rural/urban divide as far as things like social safety nets and, y'know, human rights. lol.

    I had to block most of my family over the years for that shit. It gets old. heh

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    The packets are pretty good. You can get curry paste in jars but I've only seen it at the Indian grocery store. I usually stick to the packets because I'm too lazy to drive there.

    I've found a lot of both Indian and Thai food to be surprisingly easy to cook at home. Both are just so far from my "normal" flavors, it felt so daunting

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    I love food, I so agree. Honestly if I were rich I would be traveling the world trying as much food from as many places as I could.

    In spite of recent events, I'm actually quite glad I grew up American with parents who have friends from all over the world.

    I'm 30 now, but the appreciation of foods and cultures was instilled into me from very young, I genuinely believe that sitting down and sharing meals with people might be the ultimate peak of the human experience.

    So yeah I get a little salty when people start trashing American food, because American food is hundreds of cultures coming together and making something different but similar and what could be better than that?

    Also its like, the only good part of this country anymore .-.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    So yeah I get a little salty

    WRONG; You got a little MSG-ey. There was salt, but also the umami of stating true things in there, too :)

    also agreed on the end thre :)

    But I also think that's why people making fun of UK on food are wrong, too. Similar there - the food culture is vibrant.

    Also, nice-looking food is nice, but how food tastes is more important to me.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (7 children)

    I don't know why people think America does food bad, we're not one of the fattest countries because our food sucks.

    I would guess this has more to do with your food having tons of sugar and giant portions. Plenty of countries have amazing food. Not all of them struggle with obesity so much.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    ehh its a lot more complicated than it seems.

    I think for me I would point to the fact that cheap sugary shit tends to be well, cheap.

    For example I had a pack of gummy lifesavers (hard as a rock, rip me) and it was the cheapest thing in my lunch today despite being like, 8 servings of candy? it was cheaper than the water I got??? What the heck is up with that???

    Honestly portion size isnt what I would point to, I feel like its custom here to take home leftovers and stuff, even when you visit someone's house for dinner and they make way too much. I'm sure there's some psychological stuff here with portion size, just in my experience I've never felt the need to eat everything and Ive been reasonably healthy all my life.

    And yeah shout out to (in no particular order) Mexico, Italy, Germany, Brazil, Canada, Spain, China, South Korea, Ethiopia, Eritrea, India, Vietnam, Thailand, The Dutch, Singapore, Poland, and anyone I forgot y'all are real ones I love your food.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    You've got to give some credit that gluttony is somewhere in the causal mix.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    I dunno I've visited a lot of places and seen a lot of people and it's not like Americans are unique in how much food we eat?

    I'd point to the fact that sugary/bad for you stuff tends to be cheap first and foremost. It's really easy to fill up on empty calories if you're stuffing your face with candy and fast food.

    Secondarily I would point how hard it is to avoid ultra-processed garbage. It's really everywhere and everything here, even things that are "healthy" are pretty terrible usually. Unless you're eating/making everything fresh it's not easy to avoid some of this garbage and it's basically all empty calories.

    I also think, far more important than gluttony, there's very little actual food education in the US. Unless you're kinda into fitness and watching what you eat, you don't really know what macros and stuff do and why things are important.

    There's also food deserts, the fact that American cities are meant to be driven and basically cannot be walked/biked, and just generally sedentary lifestyles across all of America.

    Genuinely I don't think that the fat countries around the world are "extra gluttons" compared to the rest of the world. It's anecdotal of course, but I often hear of Europeans visiting and gaining weight. I doubt they're suddenly becoming gluttons the moment they land in America. I think that's like maybe the 10th most important reason at best. We're all humans and while culture is different and could lead to different eating habits, I don't think that matters that much. I think Canada for example, is quite culturally similar to the US but they have an obesity rate of only 27.1% compared to America's 41.8%

    I think one place where portion size might actually be a factor in retrospect is with soda. Our larges are huge and people will down those things like crazy.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    So, no credit at all to human behaviour? I agree with most of what you are saying but you at least have to allow that some of it is gluttony. Even one out of one hundred?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    The giant portions thing is a cultural left over in a lot of ways, food used to be cooked in a far more communal method and often combined supper and lunch then a snack later at night. For example apparently my 2x great grandfather ensured a small feast for him, my great grandfather, his wife (remarried technically not my ancestor), and all the temp workers during harvest. That's not even getting into things like potlucks.

    As for sugar I blame the post war period, arguably the amount of sugar in shit has been decreasing slowly since the 90s but it's a slow generational thing.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 months ago (1 child)
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    High fructose corn syrup.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    As American I agree. However, judging by all the Europeans visiting during the World Cup and then being enamored by our food and culture makes me think this person has never visited.

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  • As a European, it really depends where those tourists were from. Austrian traditional food? Abysmal (even Austrians agree). Germany is also petty meh. Meanwhile Czechia has great food. Further east and south, also great food. That's not to say the US doesn't have good food.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago

    McDonald's and guns, puh-raise JEE-zuz-ah!

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    For those fumbling for the standard answer: it is hamburgers. The USA has hamburgers.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago*

    Coors Light and Diabetus.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 child)

    KC BBQ?

    Edit: oh and Bourbon

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    In an effort to only be a little annoying, some wines in the US have ranked higher in blind tests when compared with French wines. Albeit it’s an old story nowadays, but France doesn’t have a monopoly on good wine, nor Italy on good ‘pizza’.

    Something we, the people in the US, do right, is integrating different cultural foods and ingredients. There’s a mountain of things that can be said about just how long something of higher quality actually lasts here, but many of us are eager to try new things and see the local places near us as part of our home.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    that’s not a useful metric though. the science of winemaking isn’t some dark secret. given enough money to replicate conditions i’m sure even saudi arabia could produce a wine that blind tests better than french wines

    the point of comparing regions is their average wine: pick up a random wine off the shelf from each region and how comparable is it?

    french wine isn’t good by magic - french wine is good for the same reason french pastry, bread, and cheese are also good. because it’s deeply ingrained in french culture that these are things that you don’t accept bad versions of. bad wine doesn’t sell in france. americans are less picky. each wine region adapts to local conditions

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I think you can do random wine comparisons from various regions, but comparing the average wine across all of America hardly seems like a fair comparison though given how much bigger America is compared to France. A better comparison would be the average wine in western Europe compared to the average American wine if we’re going off of sheer scale.

    Some states have better wine producing areas than others due to the climate. The East Coast for instance doesn’t have as good of a climate for wine production as the West Coast, that’s not a flaw really but a regional difference. The wines that are produced on the East Coast aren’t bad, but even when I asked a couple sommeliers while on the East Coast they conveyed that I would find much better wines on the West Coast due to the climate.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Is shitting in your diaper considered shitting yourself?

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    chicken fried steak

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Weird AI generated user profile

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    Heart disease.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    Corn. Cows. Beans, squash, berries.

    We have great food here, honestly, and great wine and also bourbon is American. Great cheeses - Humboldt Fog is my favorite fancy cheese and it's American. It's just a big and diverse place. Italian - American food is its own thing and amazing. Cajun & Creole food are American cuisines.

    I don't think there is one food that can represent the whole country because it's sprawling and diverse in every way.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    The U.S. has too many regional dishes to really pick one food to assign as Americas signature dish.

    If I were to nominate one it would be the Philly Cheesesteak

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (37 children)

    Everyone loves to shit on American "cheese" but sometimes a melted Kraft's Singles is what hits just right.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    Never been in a situation like that. A slice of actual cheese has always been better.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (24 children)

    Kraft singles are trash and their existence gives American cheese a bad name

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    If you want ACTUAL American cheese, one that is real cheese, try "Land O Lakes White American Cheese". That said, the Kraft Singles flavor carries a lot of nostalgia and acquired taste. It's why some people prefer an Oscar Meyer mystery "meat" hot dog over something like an all choice cut high end dog. That's why I said that it "hits", not that it is best.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    Most American cheese sold through the deli will be good. LoL is good brand, Boars Head is good. The "deluxe" versions in the lunchmeat aisle are alright but a bit lower-end.

    It's all about the cheese they use since American cheese is cheese with sodium citrate, that's all.

    Kraft singles are not cheese........... but even they're fine on a burger or whatever application yu don't really care and just want some sort of melty semi-cheesy thing. :)

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  • [–] -2 points 2 months ago (21 children)

    Kraft singles ARE American cheese.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 months ago (15 children)

    American cheese is a combination of Jack and cheddar cheeses that is specifically designed to melt, Kraft singles are basically Velveeta which is just sort of like cheese whiz but harder, that is to say processed cheese like food.

    You can usually get American cheese at your deli counter.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (9 children)

    American cheese is a combination of Jack and cheddar cheeses that is specifically designed to melt

    You just basically described Kraft Singles, the first ingredient of which is cheddar cheese.

    Kraft Singles are literally just cheddar cheese, milk, calcium/sodium phosphates, and trace amounts of colorings and preservatives. The phosphates are emulsifiers that allow the cheese and milk to mix, and are what gives it its melty texture. They really aren't any different than the stuff you can get at the deli counter, from an ingredients-list perspective.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (8 children)

    Kraft invented American cheese but Kraft singles are not cheese. Traditional American cheese uses sodium citrate, not phosphates and is typically white not yellow. I’m not sure you actually looked at the ingredients list before making this comment because they are very different.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (6 children)

    What's your issue with using sodium/calcium phosphate over sodium citrate? They all perform the same function in American cheese. Toward the bottom of this page there's a table of ingredients found in American cheese, all three are included in it.

    Saying Kraft Singles aren't cheese because the FDA's legal definition categorizes it as something more specific puts you in the same category of people that insist that tomatoes aren't vegetables because botanically they're defined as fruit. Technically correct, but overly pedantic and unproductive when looking at things through a culinary lense.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    First, if we’re going to be pedantic then tomatoes are berries not fruits.

    And for the record the argument here is that kraft singles aren’t specifically American cheese. That the FDA doesn’t count them as cheese at all is part of the argument because American cheese still counts as cheese. But the point was that kraft singles aren’t even as good as real American cheese.

    Phosphates, like nitrates, are not great for humans.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    Kraft invented American cheese but Kraft singles are not cheese.

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    Sounds like the argument you're making is that Kraft Singles aren't cheese.

    Even if your argument is just that Kraft Singles aren't American cheese, that would be a tough argument to support, as Kraft Singles fit the definition and culinary use of American cheese exactly.

    Calcium phosphate and sodium phosphate are perfectly safe unless consumed in quantities that would be unreasonable to achieve by just eating food.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    No, see now you’re being just as pedantic as what you tried to call out with the tomato thing. Just because tomatoes are culinarily used as vegetables doesn’t make them not berries, and just because kraft singles are culinarily used as American cheese doesn’t make them real cheese.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    How is that being pedantic?

    I'm not claiming tomatoes aren't berries, or fruit, I'm saying that those labels aren't useful when talking about tomatoes in a culinary sense. Just like how the label "pasteurized prepared cheese product" isn't useful in a culinary sense, because it exists purely as a legal/regulatory term.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Because you’re picking apart my argument about two different points and trying to put them against each other.

    The bottom line is Kraft singles aren’t cheese American or otherwise because they watered down, milked down whatever you wanna call it. And it doesn’t matter if kraft was on a mission from God whenever they set out to make kraft singles that they added enough milk to no longer make it count as cheese means that it’s no longer cheese end of discussion. If you think that the definition is wrong for some reason then that’s a different discussion, personally I don’t because those regulations have been in place for decades, long before the current bullshit.

    On the other point, kraft singles are a shitty version of American cheese if you even want to call it that. Adding extra milk and less cheese didn’t make it better. And that’s before we talk about the fact that there’s a whole lot more disposable plastic in the singles. There’s a reason that Kraft still sells a deli select version of their singles that’s real American cheese and not the singles bullshit.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    I'm picking apart your argument because it doesn't make any sense lol.

    Kraft singles aren’t cheese American or otherwise because they watered down, milked down whatever you wanna call it.

    To steal a quote from the article I linked earlier, saying American cheese isn't cheese because there's extra non-cheese stuff in it is like saying meatloaf isn't meat.

    they added enough milk to no longer make it count as cheese means that it’s no longer cheese end of discussion.

    Obviously not end of discussion. You keep falling back on the FDA's legal definition of cheese, which is fine if we're talking about cheese in a political/economic/regulatory context, but to use that definition as justification to make the blanket claim that "American cheese isn't cheese end of discussion" is asinine. That's not me being pedantic, that's me pointing out the reality that FDA legal definitions don't really apply outside of their intended context.

    If you think that the definition is wrong for some reason

    It isn't wrong, I haven't claimed that. I'm saying you're using that definition in a context it's not intended for.

    kraft singles are a shitty version of American cheese if you even want to call it that.

    I've made no assertions about the quality of Kraft Singles, and I respect your opinion if you think they suck. That has nothing to do with whether or not it's cheese though, do I don't know why you brought that up.

    Adding extra milk and less cheese didn’t make it better.

    I don't know why you're so hung up on this whole milk thing. You know milk is like, the main ingredient in cheese right? Why is it such an issue for cheese to contain a cheese ingredient?

    And that’s before we talk about the fact that there’s a whole lot more disposable plastic in the singles.

    I don't know why we would even talk about that, the amount of disposable plastic a things is packed in has nothing to do with whether or not that thing is cheese.

    There’s a reason that Kraft still sells a deli select version of their singles that’s real American cheese and not the singles bullshit.

    The reason is because Kraft Singles are a less expensive product aimed at a different market than Kraft Deli Deluxe.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago

    They aren't cheese simply because they are 48% cheese instead of the FDA requirement of 51%. Kraft could easily tweak it that tiny bit so it would be "real" cheese, but then it wouldn't be as nice in that grilled cheese sandwich.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (4 children)

    Kraft cheese is made with standard real cheese ingredients. They add emulsifiers to it in order to lower the melting point to make it better on a burger or grilled cheese. The percentage of emulsifiers and moisture the slices have is the only reason it can't be legally defined as "cheese". But unlike other things, such as fake ice cream having to be labeled as something like "frozen dairy dessert" because it was made cheaper without enough milkfat and ending up with a worse tasting product, Kraft is just because they wanted their cheese to melt easier.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

    Kraft invented American cheese and then enshitified it to the point that it couldn’t be called cheese anymore. I’m not even sure what you’re trying to argue at this point. If Kraft singles were made of real American cheese they could call it cheese it isn’t so they can’t just like the ice cream.

    ETA:

    There is a reason this says “American cheese” and not “prepared cheese product”:

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (2 children)

    The bottom one has a lower melting point and more moisture. "Cheese" has to be 51% cheese per FDA. It is estimated that Kraft singles are around 48%.

    That tiny amount difference isn't because it saves money in production. It's just because it works better in a grilled cheese sandwich.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    Lower melting point and more moisture than what? The upper one that was already made to be a better melting cheese than Cheddar or Colby?

    If that was true then why do all restaurants that I know of use the upper one and not the lower ones for grilled cheese?

    I’m sorry, but in this case you’re wrong, singles are just the enshitified version of American cheese.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago

    Lower melting point and more moisture than normal cheddar.

    FDA requirement for packaging is 51% cheese to be labeled as "cheese". The Kraft singles have extra milk and emulsifiers to make them more melty. it's believed to be about 48% "cheese".

    The reason all restaurants use the upper one (I'll take your word on this) is because it's fucking cheaper to buy and you don't have to unwrap each slice. That would be a huge pain in the ass.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (1 child)

    Well, no.

    The problem is tht Kraft singles are not cheese. They are cheese "product". This is cheese-adjacent. Frankly, it's more like a slice of cheese-type sauce, if you will. Good for some things, don't get me wrong, I'm not a snob.

    And yes, you are right, they are American cheese, but........ they are not cheese. But yes, they are also American cheese (while technically not being cheese).

    Basically, Flanders used to sell "burger patties' for VERY cheap. I made the mistake of buying some. After I threw the ones I cooked way, I found that they had beef, but also mechanically separated beef, some other sort of 'reclaimed' beef, as well as beef hearts, liver, and maybe other stuff. All technically food and technically beef, but they were REALLY shitty.........

    Kraft singles are MUCH better than that, but still...... it's not good in all applicatins. heh.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    They're only not "cheese" because they add in more than the allowed percentages of emulsifiers and moisture. It's real cheese made with all your standard real cheese ingredients, but they add in things that make it melty and gooey when heated.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago (8 children)

    I think the joke/criticism is that it cannot even be called "cheese", not that it tastes bad.

    Tons of really bad-for-you shit tastes delicious hahahaha

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Its not that much worse for you than regular cheese it is basically cheddar with added chemicals (sodium citrate iirc) to help it melt.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago

    To add to this, a lot of the jokes about it not being able to be called "cheese" also just come down to a misunderstanding of how the US Code of Federal Regulations works. There are American-style cheeses that have a milkfat percentage high enough to be labeled a cheese, but also ones that have to be labeled pasteurized prepared cheese product. This is pretty much the equivalent of saying that American ice cream can't be called ice cream because some of what's available in grocery stores is actually frozen dairy dessert. I'm personally grateful for our slightly burdensome regulatory scheme that allows me to identify certain qualitative differences between similar looking products with similar ingredient lists.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    The chemicals are to make it mixable in water or some milk derivate. It can be up to 5% not cheese and still be called cheese, while "pasteurized processed cheese food" can be as low as 51% cheese.

    Kraft singles are neither of these. It contains milk protein concentrate, which the FDA doesn't allow in "cheese food", so they call it "pasteurized prepared cheese product".

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    None of the ingredients in this list are actually scary if you know anything about cheese.

    Like, oh no its cheese its got added whey and added milk the horror!

    Also what kind of article says "the ingredients aren't clear."

    Its on the packaging??? The only non clear thing in here is sodium phosphate and calcium phosphate, and those are the emulsifiers they add to make it super melty! (not sodium citrate, though that is one!).

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

    Italy doesn't have pizza. The modern dish, "Pizza", was invented in America. Hell, the deepdish was invented in Chicago at Pizzaria Uno.

    So, pasta would be better attributable to Italy. But, if you're barring that route and looking for an inherently and uniquely American dish that doesn't ring of other countries' inspiration, the cheeseburger might answer the question. To make it easy though, you wanted something invented in America that is named after the American town it was invented in, go for the Philly cheesesteak.

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