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[–] 218 points 3 months ago (21 children)

Yeah, if it's the same price why the hell would you not stay in a hotel instead of "pretend this random house is a hotel, but now with the added magic of no regulation"

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  • [–] 61 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    "Oops, left a mess (had a crumb on the counter). $350 cleaning fee."

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  • [–] 61 points 3 months ago* (5 children)

    People always say this, but I've never run into any issues. Booking a cabin for the family or a week long stay through airbnb can still be the more cost effective option.

    I always read the reviews and rules in depth before booking. The types of places that will pull what you describe usually are pretty apparent.

    Obviously it's still fucked that I the consumer have to go through all of that when Airbnb could just make some standards, but oh well.

    Personally now I avoid Airbnbs except for the two cases I mentioned. Groups and extended stays. Yes extended stay hotels do exist too, but they are hit and miss imo.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago

    Ive stayed in Airbnbs like 20 times in many cities, different states, even different countries. Literally have never had any issues like what people complain about whatsoever. My cat even scratched up an (admittedly already somewhat roughed up) couch at one, not terribly but it was damaged, and the guy didnt charge me anything at all.

    The only issue I take with airbnbs is that there are so many that should be free market rentals or family housing rather than short term rentals

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Booking a cabin

    To clarify - booking a cabin (presumably in the middle of the woods, no neighbours?) vs booking a hotel (also in the middle of the woods, no other guests)?

    Or does cabin mean something else for you, e. g. any vacation house?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Woods, family vacations tended to often be in the mountains

    Never been to a hotel in the middle of the woods with no other guests

    Although other places could be appropriate for group travel. Like any vacation home

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Never been to a hotel in the middle of the woods with no other guests

    That's my point. You're not picking hotel alternative not because airbnb is better, but because there is no alternative.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    There's a plethora of extended stay hotels that aren't much, if any, more expensive than a regular hotel that have kitchens.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, and their "kitchens" suuuuck

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  • [–] 183 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    AirBnb became popular when hotels inflated prices around certain events or were at capacity. Since then, AirBnb owners have jacked up prices to be more expensive than hotels, and you have to deal with the "landlord attitude." It turned from a genuine service into another cash grab scheme.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    AirBnB became too many people’s “passive income”.

    They don’t want to take care of the property or have too many to take care of, so they treat customers like house sitters for the luxury of renting the property as well as building equity off them.

    Pretty messed up. In the early days Airbnb was ok, we used it a couple times, but I don’t think I’d want to mess with it today.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Gosh, I hate passive income. It doesnt do anything meaningful to society. Yet, the investor somehow gains more benefit from the invested resources than the people who create and use them.

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  • [–] 77 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Don't forget having to find the cameras watching you, and text messages every 38 minutes telling you to leave 5 star reviews.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    I like hitting my vape a few times around the AirBnB.

    I want them to hit me with a cleaning fee and them explain how they knew I was vaping unflavored eliquid.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    It still stinks. You’ve just blown out your ability to smell it. Don’t vape indoors in shared spaces, it’s gross.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    No, glycerin and propylene glycol don't have a smell that would be noticeable, even if you're looking for it.

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    I don't know why you think I'm trusting my own opinion on this.

    I've had plenty of people ask what flavor I was vaping, and when I asked them what it smelled like, the general consensus was, "nothing, but maybe a little sweet."

    No one is going to notice a puff or two from my low vapor build.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    It's an airbnb, not a shared space

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  • [–] 71 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    The basic problem of AirBNB was that it was never going to scale. Individual condo owners will never be able to compete with the efficiencies of scale of hotels. Having cleaning staff have to drive from building to building can never compete with a bunch of rooms in a single hallway.

    The AirBNB concept does make sense for a few niche applications:

    1. Small rental units in locations where big hotels aren't viable. (Think remote mountain cabins.)

    2. Actual lived-in homes for people who are traveling and don't mind strangers staying in their house while they're away.

    Neither of these scale. Cabin rentals can compete because it's not viable to build a hundred unit hotel on top of a remote mountain. But that market can't scale. Cabin rentals already have their own rental networks, and there are only so many of them. People renting out their actual residences can compete with hotels. You already have to pay your mortgage anyway, bringing in a short-term renter adds little marginal cost. But this model can't scale, as very few people actually want to rent out their own homes while they're out.

    But AirBNB pulled the usual Silicon Valley bait-and-switch. Corner a market with unsustainably low prices, then raise them. The bait got many people to purchase rental units with the goal of renting them on AirBNB. But this was never going to be sustainable. Once AirBNB stopped subsidizing the rentals, the landlords have to raise the costs (both monetary and policy costs) to actually make the business profitable. And they simply cannot compete with the economies of scale of hotels.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Wasn't that the original idea? I swear when my friend first used it he made it sound like crashing in a spare room.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Yeah because it was a paid knock off of couch surfing. I made so many great friends in my trip to Europe because most of those doing it were college students or recent grads who wanted some extra cash and meet people.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I absolutely despise the social media feel of AirBnB. I already hate creating more accounts. Why the fuck do I need to make a whole ass profile and tick off a bunch of interests and whatever, and then when I see a property I want to rent, send a personal message sucking up to the property owner? Yeah, no. Lots of options out there that don’t involve that bullshit ant it baffles me that anyone finds it attractive.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I've been enjoying watching the Internet collectively bully that one AirBnB couple, Cassie and Jon.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm out of the loop on that one. What happened?

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    They're a couple that just go crazy with what they expect from people that stay at their place. The clip that I first saw that I think made them go viral was them upset the guests left the TV remote in a different room (on the table next to where they keep their rulebook), moved a footstool, left the bed unmade, and left a few things of food in the fridge in containers. They do charge a hefty cleaning fee and have some crazy rules with steep fines like charging I think like $50 for every minute past their early checkout time or something.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    If you’re a party of 4 or fewer and are only staying for a couple of nights, a hotel with breakfast included is the better choice. Chain hotels also have a minimum baseline of quality so you at least have some expectation of consistency anywhere you go. Less chances of hidden cameras too.

    Unless the point of your travel is the accommodation itself, you’ll likely only be in there for less than 12 hours a day, so all you really need is a secure room with a clean bed and bathroom.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    It only took thirty minutes of looking at how AirBnb operates for me to choose a hotel, on the one occasion I considered AirBnb.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It used to be that hotels overcharged and airbnb was a way to get around that.

    Now, hotels overcharged and airbnb raised the cost of rent/housing.

    It gets worse.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I was just really put off by the scrutiny in renting the place. And the cost…it was not cheap, none of the options were.

    In a way I understand, but if I’m renting an apartment or standalone dwelling for a weekend I’d like to at least have a couple of drinks after going out and let smokers smoke outside, which is what I was looking for. We’re not talking raging party here, just winding down after a show.

    The experience just looking at the option really sucked. It didn’t take long for me to decide it wasn’t the way. That was confirmed when I went the traditional option and got a great apartment right on the river that met all the requirements for hundreds less than the AirBNB options.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago*

    Not my first choice. But I stay in cabins a lot and all the good ones use Airbnb or Vrbo because they have to. You got big companies like KOA, but those are typically crowded.

    Places like that used to have their own listings and websites before the craze, but now if they aren't listed they go unseen.

    Im extra careful, but I typically find some amazing off the beaten path places. Lot of family owned and well cared for areas. Most also have some owner supplying homemade baked goods, fresh farm raised eggs, and produce pre-stocked. All completely free with a kind note.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Idk my airbnb had a heat alarm fitted on the ceiling directly above the stove, so when we decided to cook we discovered that it sets off above 45°C, is not a smoke alarm, and we were already overwhelmed with stress before that cataclysmic screech. I smashed it off the ceiling (because I can't think through the noise to find the latch), told them "fuck you, hated the stay," and I never got a fine. Left the pieces of alarm where they lay.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Those are supposed to be an improvement for small spaces where smoke alarms can be too sensitive and go off all the time. Of course, they're supposed to be on the ceiling.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    AirBnB is not for ‘cheap’ stays anymore (if it ever was), it works a lot better when you use it to find quirky/interesting places to stay (like a treehouse!). People still try to use it to replace a hotel though. $100/night can usually get you a decent room with breakfast at a hotel in most areas.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Do most people care about "quirky" places to stay, or do they just want somewhere to crash?

    That being said, the only use I see for AirBnB is if you're with a group of people and you can get a whole house and you can split the cost.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago*

    It was a cool way for my wife and I to spend a night in a treehouse for our anniversary and wasn’t very expensive (and within reasonable driving distance of our home). Maybe ‘quirky’ is the wrong word but more ‘interesting’? 🤷‍♂️

    I know some people that have had good experiences using AirBnB for long term stays but overall I’m not a huge fan. It can be nice to have access to a kitchen instead of having to eat out, but for a place to just crash I’d definitely prefer a hotel.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    $1k deposit, but yeah

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (11 children)

    I’ve never stayed in an Airbnb, and after everything I’ve read online, I can’t think of a compelling reason to.

    Edit: my goodness, such evangelism! Perhaps I should reconsider my position

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    They're good for big groups and certain locations.

    My wife has a big online friend group that likes to get together a couple times a year in various places around the US. For 15ish people, AirBnB is cheaper than hotels and lets everyone stay together in one place with room to congregate and cook real meals. It's also easier to find cabins and stuff in remote nature areas than hotels.

    We're also planning a weeklong trip to NYC, and even with rewards points AirBnB was cheaper than a hotel.

    Outside those specific circumstances, if it's just us and we're only spending a night or two in a less expensive location, hotels are basically always better

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Yeah its supposed to be a cheaper way to stay but I'd rather pay a little bit more for the structure, show up check in at the desk, then just leave when you're ready. If I want cheaper travel I'd rather just camp

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I've had good luck, but most of the time for a 1 night stay a hotel is better.

    If it's multiple nights or a group that's where airbnb is more appealing. You have to put in the work to read everything the owner posts and the reviews to figure out if they are they type to engage in shenanigans. It's worked so far, but ridiculous to have to check for it

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, when I’m traveling, the one thing I need to be rock solid reliable is the place that I’m staying. I can’t constantly have some anxiety about some bullshit shenanigans with that. No thank you

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I've never done it myself, but there seem to be a couple of different reasons why it would be preferable over a standard hotel room.

    1. Easier and cheaper way to get a huge living space with a kitchen for a large group of people.

    2. The possibility of staying in a unique type of room that a hotel just can't provide.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    They're good for extended stays with other people, where you want multiple bedrooms, a kitchen, and a living room. Or if you want a more private stay in a scenic area away from other people.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    If you're a low-maintenance kind of person that just wants a pull-out sofa to sleep on, a shower, and possibly a kettle+microwave to make coffee+bad food for a day or two, you can find Airbnbs at ¼ the price of a hotel.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    At that price its going to be way out of where you want to be and possibly out of public transit network, be dilapitated and probably smell bad.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago*

    This is the Fed's fault.

    There should have never been less than 3 percent mortgages. They basically gave away free home equity to an entire generation. And you know what they did? Bought 2nd homes and allowed VRBO/AirB&B to thrive. Now with "normal" interest rates, none of this makes any sense.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Hotels suck ass too. We stayed in a "luxury" hilton and it was shit. It looked nice at first, but then

    • Everything was falling apart.
    • You got a "complimentary" water bottle (like a kirkland style) if you were a member, but it was $2.50 (maybe even $3.50 which I think I would have remembered cuz it's funny) if you weren't.
    • They charged you a $60 deposit in case you use that bottle of water or something? We got that back, but it was stupid that we had to check.
    • We didn't use the parking pass for 2 days and they refused to give that money back.

    They're only being a little nicer right now because they're losing business. They'll go back to huge shits if they get the market share back.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Maybe I misunderstand the parking pass thing, but I'm not sure why you would get the money back just because you didn't use it. My assumption (which may be wrong!) is that while you had that pass, capacity was allocated to you and could not be sold to someone else. Like buying a seat ticket for a show and not showing up.

    That said, I wouldn't be shocked to learn that isn't quite the case. I should probably give you the benefit of the doubt.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    That's just the Hilton for you, to be honest. I stayed in one in San Diego long time back for visiting a conference in the center right next to it. Was quite expensive and for that amount of money nothing special was given. I only had free wifi because I booked under the conference offer, so normally not even that was free.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Deposit at a hotel? I haven't seen that before.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It's common for cheaper hotels, at least in the US. They don't call it a deposit, but an extra hold they place on your card when checking in. Probably to deter people from doing dumb stuff like smoking in a smoke-free room.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    I have, they want to get a deposit in case you use their services or something. Hotels suck too.

    Edit: Airbnbs suck when they're bought out by corporations. I've seen that a few times. Hotels are all owned by corporations. I try my luck more with airbnbs depending on where it is.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Ironically the same brown central south American cleaning crew cleans up for the hotels and airbnb, also they are disappearing because of ICE

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I booked a AirBNB once, and we had already driven an hour, and the owner said they never approved the booking, and "Airbnb messed up" when I called an hour into the drive

    Nope, she clearly had forgotten to disable it that night. Then, after I argued, she said "oh just wait 10 mins, I'll see if I can fix it", and wanted me to sit there for 10mins in my car doing nothing.

    Another time, its was NYE, it was $400 a night, and the bin there was overflowing at the BBQ, and, we bought ice cream but the freezer was frozen over completely, so it wouldn't fit.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Wait how are they even able to enforce the fee?

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    With your credit card, which they have on file.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    They just give your card credentials to random people? Ffs I didn't know they do it like that. It's crazy that we just allow it.

    I was previously using a separate card for them specifically, and way after the trip someone made an attempt to grab some ~200€ from my card. I've noticed instantly so I had a convo with bank and blocked.

    Now it all makes sense. Fucking hell.

    Seems you need a throwaway cards every time you want to use them then.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    privacy.com is great, although they only operate in the US. Not sure what the European alternative is.

    You can spin up throw away and merchant locked cards, set limits per card, and pause or delete them anytime without having to deal with bank and getting a new card.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Air bnb people definitely don't like that their rates don't cover property taxes and they run a deficit every month. They charge fees to stay in the black. They're just capitalist that think you have to make money on everything

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    During the Plague, I had plenty of experience with both meal delivery apps (finding weird new ways how befuddled immigrants get scammed) and app scoots (it's like public transport, but more unreliable and more expensive).

    Don't do app shit under normal circumstances, being the main lesson here. It's going to be full of weird fucking shit.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    By "both" keys, you mean both sets of replacements you got because you kept locking yourself out of the room, right?

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