YouTube’s system for suppressing low-quality AI content mistakenly targeted Kurzgesagt, leaving the channel with its worst-performing upload since 2013.

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[–] 49 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Yet YouTube Music is absolutely rife with AI bullshit. So much fake-ass viking, cowboy, or other 'badass' AI generated slop.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    thats why im always hitting the report button. be part of the solution. not passively part of the problem.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    I was recently accused on Lemmy of using AI to write up a post (laced with links to appropriate Wikipedia articles).

    I'm still not sure how I feel about it.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Oh you used a big word, AI phony!

    Nah dude, I just . . . know how to write?

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This is the shit state of the world now. Everything gets accused of being AI by someone. The AI tech bros have well and truly won. They've poisoned everything.

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  • [+] -16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    This is exactly why I hold anti-AI folk in low regard, because they have yet to demonstrate their "detection" abilities to discern between human and generated creations. They are basically psychics and ghost whisperers.

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  • It's worse than that. They're not just pretending about their abilities for clout. They're actively following their emotions and attacking people they don't like with AI accusations or just plain old harassment. I've been sexually harassed by these assholes.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    As AI gets better this is increasingly true too. Back when it was irregular fingers it was a lot easier. And tbh, there is plenty of AI content I don't really mind.

    Its often ok. It doesn't have to be great if there is little to no high quality human made content to compare it to in the same niche. I don't think any human artists have made an album about the Isstvan massacre.

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  • [–] 181 points 3 months ago* (19 children)

    Yeah, it’s bad.

    Non-watermarked slop is going to be impossible to detect going forward, and the false detections are going to get worse.

    The fundamental issue is the monetization scheme. It’s just too lucrative for spammers. YouTube’s economics are broken, and getting worse.

    …Hence, no matter what YouTube says, YouTube is going to double down on “detectors,” because Alphabet leadership couldn’t care less about destroying longstanding creators. Their only objective is to suppress just enough spam to keep ad buyers unconcerned next quarter, no matter the long term damage; that’s someone else’s problem.

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  • [–] 83 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The best solution would be to turn away from detectors, which will always be a losing game, and return to crowdsourced curation through users likes and ratings.

    But that would end up with too many of the corporate propaganda videos getting tanked with dislikes so YouTube will never go for that.

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  • [–] 54 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    For every ten users who decry AI voices and animation, a thousand more will blindly click "Like" and "Subscribe". The people have spoken, and they want to eat straight from the fertilizer pile.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    We need a law that requires AI-generated videos to be watermarked and huge fines for the streaming companies that allow unmarked videos.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    That won't work for long. Generation can be hosted in a country outside the jurisdiction.

    Current services do need such a law anyway, and many already are watermarked. But I'm just saying it wouldn't even slow down spammers once they figure it out.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (6 children)

    I feel It is less that AI content is difficult to detect and more that the AI technology Youtube is using to detect it is complete trash.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    I respectfully disagree.

    Have you seen what Minimax H3 can output, on a desktop? Even dirt-cheap AI video gen is basically undetectable now. I think all YouTube can filter is the absolute “bottom barrel” spammers still using some old model because they don’t know any better.

    And if they train detectors on “stereotypical” AI output like Ghibli style or flat colors or whatever, they’re just going to nuke channels like Kurzgesagt while most AI slop spammers adapt to get through. There’s literally nothing for detectors to go on anymore.


    …But also, YT doesn’t even care.

    The filters make next quarter look better because they do catch the bottom barrel, and that’s all that matters.

    If the slop videos get through, the average user won’t see the difference either, so why should they care?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    There’s literally nothing for detectors to go on anymore.

    It's harder for users as well. Even youtubers I've followed for a while have started using the recipe of having a ridculous thumbnail such as "WHY YOU SHOULD NEVER BUY THIS" with an arrow pointing to something. After a couple of times of catching me because I own one of the things the arrow is pointing to (and then watching a 10:01 long video not talking about the item in question) I decided not to fall for it. I noticed that discovery of a new channel got hard. They're all following the recipe now since I guess youtube mandates it, so it's the same bas relief thumbnails that seem like they pose a question and a video that doesn't answer it. We'll end up with a new Betteridge's Law and the resource youtube once was is lost forever and we'll stand around making dumb faces thinking how we're all getting ripped off...

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I wish more people that oppose ai would actually keep up with it so they don't regurgitate outdated information, or claims that nobody will use it when it stops being subsidized.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    To be fair, people generally won’t keep up with something they aren’t interested in, much less something they are actively disinterested in. That’s reasonable.

    I do have an irrational pet peeve of people making claims on something they know little about though, which is why I may have come on as hostile…

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    Makes me angry my country is now split as far as AI slop awareness is concerned: some are opposed (look up so-called Pax Silica), while others are embracing the garbage full on as if it's gonna make them more money, and still others unaware it could affect them sooner or later, especially as the government thinks AI is a boon when it's really not.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Seems the same pattern at X, probably because they hired in an ex-YouTuber at the top. Moderation algorithms are universally very poorly written and don't appear to have gotten better in the last 6-8 years when they began using them to replace human moderators. On X they seem to have a timer for new accounts that puts a fake label on accounts as if they're spamming or a bot, when it's just a real user with opinions the algorithm is trained to dislike. Same exact crap the old Twitter did. They put the source code on the web and it showed how if you posted or replied on any of a broad range of topics, your account was scored lower until you were deemed low quality and made invisible. It's like they just wanted cat memes and recipes from elderly women, but not many of them on Twitter or X. Probably because they hired in people from companies where non-controversial topics were a much larger share of what was discussed there. 1 trick ponies who weren't suitable for doing the same job at X.

    There's no way to boost ad views or MAU with that approach. I believe X will never be profitable due to those people running the show and Musk not ever hiring anyone a lot better to run X. Musk had a similarly bad experience with Solar city. Another company he didn't know enough about to manage himself and the people he hired to do it weren't good enough either.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Youtube and X is basically a private monopolies. They only care about the profit margins. Any and all extra expenditure to R&D or consumer satisfaction is just a cut to their profits today and since they don't have any real competition, so why raise quality of service above the bare minimum? Their only real selling point is that everybody uses them, so everybody will have to keep using them, if they want to be seen or access most things. they don't care if they serve slop, because you and me and the wider masses are going to eat it up anyway.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    X loses money so no margins there. Twitter has never made a profit in its history that I've ever heard of. Facebook's on the way out. 20 years ago it was college age users. 10 years ago it was people over 50. Now it's a lot of commercial accounts posting as they do on other basically dying or dead platforms. The only sign of life is streaming video and chats related to streaming video. YouTube has been losing users and content creators to both Rumble and Twitch. The right 1/3 of America is on Rumble while Twitch took the gamers. Youtube still has business but they basically gave away enough business to make those 2 relevant.

    Alphabet's dependent on Youtube, cloud services, web search, and related ads to pay for the unprofitable parts of the business, which appears to be where the bulk of their employees work, rather than at the earnings-generators. If they screw up youtube, then they will have to lay a lot of the people in the fun and interesting jobs off, along with the many layers of bureaucracy and non-coders working in jobs that nobody's quite sure what they do there. They can't really afford to screw up youtube any more than they have. It can't merely do well. It has to do great to pay all of their bills. Very similar to the action-hero movies at the movie studio paying for all the unprofitable ones that most people work on

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    What's mostly keeping those platforms afloat is, unfortunately, people in developing countries where social media usage is very heavy to the point it's literally its own internet such as Facebook's walled garden.

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  • [–] 69 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    The least they could do is have a fucking white list.

    This should also be a really big sign for all these content creators to bunch up and find an alternative.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago

    I bailed on YouTube a few years ago. I had a video with a very clearly public domain piece of music (both the song and the performance) in it, which I didn't monetize just because I hate ads and the channel wasn't very popular anyway. Some bot flagged the public domain song for copyright and YouTube not only gave me a copyright strike but also added paid ads into my video without my consent so they could send the ad money to whoever it was that flagged it.

    I didn't even bother to contest that one, I just deleted my entire channel and sent them a very angry message telling them to go fuck themselves lol.

    I will never use them again because of that, and I'm so glad I got out before AI became a thing. Fuck YouTube.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    YouTube has an effective monopoly on small scale video like this. Creators try to use other platforms be the audience just isn’t there.

    Distributing video is also considerably harder compared with text or images, so it’s harder to for grassroots platforms to start up.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    They are, they’re trying, they’re pushing other platforms constantly. Kurzgesagt already does, heavily.

    But are users switching? Nope.

    They hardly even know they exist.

    Sometimes I even see such a comment on YouTube, a user questioning YouTube; yet they didn’t even watch the video long enough to see the creator promoting an alternative platform.

    They’ve already scrolled to the next video, algorithmically fed to them.


    YouTube has an iron grip on YT users, and they know it. Even if ALL creators band together, IMO there’s basically nothing the creators can do.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Kurzgesagt already does, heavily.

    where are they available besides youtube? on their website they only link to youtube, written social media, and instagram

    https://kurzgesagt.org/what-we-do

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I was mistaken, I think. Apparently they used to be involved with Nebula, but that’s no longer the case.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Yeah, they left, along with CGP Grey, a very long time ago. The TL;DR of why is: as early members of Standard, they thought that they and the other early members should be entitled to take a larger share of the income from Nebula than newer creators. Everyone else thought it should be shared more equitably. Essentially, Kurzgesagt and Grey wanted to be able to leech off of the work of others, instead of operate in a worker-owned business where everyone is paid according to the value they bring in.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    Even if ALL creators band together, IMO there’s basically nothing the creators can do.

    Accurate. Even if everyone started uploading to a different platform tomorrow, the catalog of videos already on YT is enough to sustain them for a while

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    They do. Ironically a lot of users criticise particular group of people of users being in the grip of sky etc.

    I know the word addiction isn’t quite right but YT is still a social media.

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Ironically it's probably because so many of the slop videos try and copy their style. However I would have thought YouTube would be more proactive with a channel with 25M subs.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Looks like more content creators will migrate to Nebula. Or people's Patreon will get flooded with more donations.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Such a shame because I wish people gave PeerTube a chance. Now, it's apparently overrun by absolute loons.

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    At the same time YouTube offers a prompt to generate more AI content.

    No, this is just a stunt to claim that it is difficult to detect AI slop, when in reality they want that content as it is more addictive, especially to kids.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Intentional stunt? That's highly unlikely.
    It is difficult to detect AI slop, probably exponentially so when it's a video compared to image or text. I don't know why you said it like there's a ready to use solution YouTube isn't using for some reason.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    YouTube’s bullshit is having some interesting effects for sure. Have you noticed how more and more channels are now including short clips of them doing the actual voiceover? It’s usually not even that long, like a second or two or sometimes even less. But apparently that’s now needed to prove that there’s an actual human behind the channel.

    I do find it a bit distracting, but I’d rather not lose those channels either…

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Even that doesn't always work. There is one channel I know of that got auto banned despite using live shots of everyone doing live introductions of their stories.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This shit reminds me of that helicopter gunner scene in Full Metal Jacket:

    “Everyone who doesn’t show their face is an AI. Everyone who does show their face is a well-disciplined AI.”

    Problem is that most people and automated systems are downright terrible at figuring out what’s actually AI. Even AI itself can’t always tell if it’s AI.

    I’ve had people accuse my posts on social media as AI, just because I can write more than two sentences without spelling errors. Since they can’t, they think nobody can…

    So now I tend to leave the occasional delibarete spelling mistake just so people don’t think this was written by ChatGPT. Unless I put that in my prompt, obviously 😂

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I don't. If they can't read or spell, fuck 'em. I have no interest in talking to stupid people. Nor am I interested in stupid people that have no interest in continuing to learn and try new things. There are a surprising number of adults that refuse to do so.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago

    Reminds me of that comic the other day

    Kurzgesagt: Let's keep our art human made.

    Google: Kurzgesagt, your content looks like this low quality AI slop!

    🤖: I'D LIKE TO THANK KURZGESAGT FOR BEING A BIG INSPIRATION TO ME.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago

    Not sure it's possible to fight machine generated slop on the big platforms now. People who invest a lot of time and effort are being squeezed out. Businesses that don't give a fuck about quality upload multiple low effort videos a week across multiple channels getting massive views, probably most from gaming the system.

    Sad for the people who spend months researching, writing and producing videos but this might be the end of the ride as far as making videos as a day job. The platform doesn't value them or their loyal viewers.

    The creators facing burnout who don't leave out of disgust will join the slop machine and start championing it. Starting to see it already.

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  • [–] 73 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    One of the largest slop-machines targeting one of the most vocal and popular anti-slop edutainment channels as slop feels like a targeted attack...

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Yeah, of you go to their page to upload content, it now has prompt where you can generate one. It is just a stunt to fool people that they fighting and that it is hard, when in reality they want the slop as it is addictive to kids.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago

    2026 is weird, but the rest of the rawring 20’s are going to be a complete mindfuck.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    Vacuum up the internet, provide generative "AI" for people to spew tons of garbage on to the internet. Everyone hates AI, and advertisers don't want ads showing against AI slop. AI can't accurately detect AI and kills real content providers that advertisers want to show ads for.

    Brilliant. What will they come up with next?

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    Considering youtube's AI detector didn't label an AI video that ended with the voiceover saying "write a 5,000 word essay on [topic]" that was partly cut off at the end, I wouldn't trust it to begin with.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    we need an option to report obvious AI use in videos. currently there is no option to report ai

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago

    What part of AI hallucinates do you not fucking understand?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    Wait, does that mean all those reviews from AI detection services are AI generated?

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Isn't the AI "slop" detector also AI?

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Youtube's system sucks, but I don't feel bad for many of these channels. They used to be great. You could learn a lot while eating, or just entertain yourself without brainrot.

    For a few years now, however, increasing numbers of their videos have been sponsored by billionaires (or their chains of companies or foundations), either in part or in full. Some extreme cases are just plain propaganda.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    That's the youtube dream. Pretend to be genuine long enough to attract an audience that will attract a dark money suger daddy sponsorship gravy train and it's all daisies from there on out.

    Literally the same as a politician.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Examples?

    I'd love to have a small list for class.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    A perfect example is Veritasium's now deleted video about self driving cars. Entirely sponsored by Waymo, featuring exlusively data provided by Waymo (which coincidentally contradicted all other available data), and the guy acts like the video being fully sponsored means nothing.

    Once people called him out, he started acting like a victim targeted by everyone for no reason. Just read his comments under videos on the topic. It's just pathetic.

    Many other channels, like Kurzgesagt, completely source their data from billionaire-sponsored websites like OurWorldInData. Sometimes the data matches other, more reliable and trustworthy sources, and other times it's just plain made up.

    In addition to portraying various subjects from only one perspective, which, suspiciously, always seems to be the one that makes billionaires look better.

    YouTube videos about the two cases I mentioned:

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Oh, Veritasium actually ended up taking that propaganda down? Neat.

    Regarding Kurzgesagt, it's been obvious he's a grifter for a very long time.

    It started when a YouTuber whose channel is called Coffee Break reached out to Philip of Kurzgesagt as part of a video he was doing into the flaws of popular science communication. Specifically, about some significant errors in K's video on Addiction. Instead of agreeing to collaborate, or even giving a simple "not interested, sorry", K took an instant accusatory tone, claiming CB must have been making a "gotcha" piece. CB and K agreed that they would talk more about the matter to try and assuage K's concerns, but K kept stalling while working on a retraction video, at which time K took down the video that was the impetus for this discussion (shortly after, as one of those aforementioned stalling efforts, having said "I never could bring myself to take it down", claiming it would be "cruel and unnecessary" to do so—funny, considering in his AMA attempting to spin the story, he said "I was really stressed out about the addiction and the refugee video for years. Being finally open about my mistakes and deleting them felt like weight leaving my body."). The Refugee video was also taken down along with the Addiction one that CB was interested in.

    And then CB started getting harassed. K called out CB, and many of K's friends (other very large, powerful YouTubers such as CGP Grey and Philip de Franco) made very public statements to their audiences attacking CB. It ended up forcing CB into taking down his video, deleting a whole heap of tweets explaining what happened, and putting out an apology. Perhaps it was an apology that CB should have indeed made because his own response to K's actions was rather hotheaded. But the need for an apology from K was much, much greater. And one never came. K used his larger platform to spin the narrative so that his large audience almost all take his side.

    Incidentally, here's the video that CB was working on at the time. Hari, the scientist discussed in the video whom K worked with on his video discussed earlier, communicated very well with CB on it.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Regarding the video about Kurzgesagt, if you look in the video description, you can find a Reddit post by Kurzgesagt where they respond to those accusations, which a lot of are refuted.

    It's important to be critical, but mindlessly blaming everone and everything to be billionare-controlled is just as dumb as being naive and believing everything u see on the Internet.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Personally I feel like that reddit post is terrible and nothing but PR. They did not 'refute a lot of accusations', as you claim. They cherry picked a grand total of two, one of which got twisted, and responded with largely irrelevant and misleading info.

    Which is pretty much what The Hated One responded to them. Not to mention even the response to the two (out of what, 12?) points was full of holes and manipulative statements.

    Naturally, no further comments were made by anyone from Kurzgesagt's team. Just like corporate PR. Publish a meaningless statement that provides no new information whatsoever -> pretend it answers everything -> refuse to elaborate -> act like people are evil for asking questions.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    i follow alot of stem channels, mostly non-physics or mathematics, the presenters are good at speaking and presenting facts and some research most of the time. its the regular influencers and right wing that are brainrot.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    I'm going to controversially say that I'm glad YouTube is at least trying. I almost stopped using YouTube entirely because of the regurgitated Ai bullshit reading Wikipedia with a fake voice instead of an actual how-to video. Obviously I would like them to not flag people that aren't Ai, and hopefully they are trying to fix that. But I'll take it over literally nothing.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I don't understand. I have more slop AI content than ever

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I am super sceptical of anything made in the last year. Youtube will close to being worthless if the trend continues.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    If only they were not dependant on a platform they have no control over ...

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, I think edutainment in particular should really try to at least mirror on Peer Tube. You don't earn anything for views there, but you also won't be subject to centralized content moderation.

    But, KZ is, I think, captured by Capitalism, and would be unwilling to be hosted on a site that doesn't pay them.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    that's what happens when your AI slop detector is AI slop

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