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[–] 122 points 3 months ago (10 children)

Work paid for ChatGPT and asked us to all use it. Not a hard requirement but they were insisting we try to use it to see if it could speed up work.

I'm in a Nordic country. I haven't had an email longer than a single paragraph. Documents are already as concise with good organization. The documentation is optimized so AI "summaries" only translates it into longer form tech bro speak. Just looking it up directly is faster.

I needed to do batch operations on database files without providing admin access. The same database we all work on. It suggested i could do so with a script. This was a flat out lie, with multiple responses hitting the same block. I felt sick about using it so i dropped it for fear of them attempting to try it with admin access.

Haven't used it since those few prompts. Yet i get monthly emails talking about how we're running out of credits every month. I'm guessing one of my coworkers has an AI romance...

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  • [–] 74 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The company I work for paid for Claude and has made it mandatory that we use it. It's actually insane.

    We also have "Code Rabbit" leaving LLM reviews on our PRs. It's hilarious how often it completely misses the actual change and just waxes eloquent on the formatting changes that our linter enforces when we commit a change to a file that hasn't been touched since prior to our current linter rules.

    Even crazier, I've had a VP complain to me directly how much he hates reading LLM generated text that someone just spat out at him.

    Yet here we are, still required to use it.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    My favorite part of AI PR reviews is that I'll fix one of its comments, which leads to a new comment. I fix that one and the new review suggests I actually try just doing the implementation that I started with

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    "see if it could speed up work" is at least a reasonable request. I do wonder what the rest uses it for.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This is my experience, but it seems polarising.

    In the recent thread here about the doctolorow article an army of AI dweebs were proselytizing our great AI overlords.

    I want to be open minded, and will remain so, but as yet I haven't seen any significant clear benefits to the use of AI.

    My observations are telling me it's all emperors new clothes, but listening to the commentary of anyone not on Lemmy it would seem I am mistaken. I'm not arrogant enough to believe I'm right and everyone else is wrong, but this remains a mystery to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    It's quite capable of writing boilerplate code so if you don't want to do that for e.g. basic control systems, it can save some time. You're going to forget how to do basic coding but ymmv.

    Really though, such things shouldn't be competing with your car for greenhouse emissions in a day.

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  • [–] 49 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    "Would you actually be willing to give it up?"

    Way ahead of you bud. Or behind, however you want to look at it. Personally I don't think not choosing AI makes me backward, but then again I probably am a bit of a Luddite.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    Edit: yes, I know about the original Luddites, you'd be at least the fourth person to point it out. I get it, thanks 😄

    It all depends. One one hand, "Luddite" can have almost lazy vibes, people who "blanket distrust" anything newer than fire because they can't be fucked learning how the 'puter/rotary telephone/wheel works. Then there's "this whole thing is a stupid grift which sucks at everything and can fuck right off, and here are several dozen good reasons why"

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  • [–] 39 points 3 months ago

    The term Luddite got co-opted, propagandized. They're the guys who dropped wrenches in the machinery to protest exploitation at the hands of factory owners. They're exactly the example we need now. Modern Luddites are knocking down Flock cameras right now, and there is a lot further to go.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You know how some people have imposter syndrome? More people should have it.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Uh, yeah, I already currently get through most (not all) of my workdays without touching AI. Do these people not remember 2021 or something?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    Id LOVE to be able to get through my day without touching AI. And by that I mean closing the forced AI "features" in apps I use for work like that CoPilot bar every time I open Word, 2 AI pOwErEd tabs/popups from Adobe anytime I open a PDF, and closing out the copilot task bar when that invisible window blocks 2/3 of my primary monitor

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I write code without AI. And I like it that way.

    I write stories, I draw, I animate, I DM my D&D games, all without AI.

    Because, funny enough, the intellectual and creative labor is highly rewarding, and handing that to a robot seems ridiculous. Especially when it can't even do it right. This isn't like using power tools to make furniture. This is like using power tools to sculpt a very delicate statue.

    Have fun spending hours fixing shit the bot broke.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago

    Bro I never started.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I worked for 30 years before it existed, and the first 10 of those there were barely an internet. Never had a problem. We had these things called books and libraries.

    I've been testing the chat bots for about a year. What kind of idiot would trust any of their answers for their work?

    One of the first questions i asked them for was the IRMAA Medicare Income Brackets. They got them wrong.

    Just asked again. This time they got them right. I'd never trust them with anything important.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    The trust thing is it for me. People are like, you could use them for your job, it'll save you time. Like, it saves me exactly zero time if I have to go back and check its work, because that's what I would've been doing anyway! And now, instead of my mistakes, which I'm very familiar with, I have the hallucinations of some machine to contend with.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I always think it's weird when they say nobody could write 10 pages or whatever without AI. I write for a living and grew up before all of this (I didn't have the internet until I was a teenager) and under the right conditions (IE a good amount of caffeine and people leave me alone) I can write 10,000 words in a single sitting lol.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    I use to work for the army and flew a desk. By the time I retired my word smithing skills were great. Just put a pc in front of me and I will fill your document with all the relevant buzz words, needed to get managements and procurements buy in.

    They are somewhat degraded now, I'm almost 70.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    I love this implication that they really can't comprehend that those of us who oppose it largely don't use it.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    We hired this senior dev ... when we asked what this PR (code change request) was, he didn't know. He stammered and then regurgitated what AI told him. I had to tell him, he's on thin ice if he thinks he can vibe his way through this job.

    All his work is AI comments everywhere. I'm like, you didn't read what you wrote. What fucking relevance is putting down all of this info? I said, if you don't have the courtesy to read it, then why the fuck am I? There's little respect for my time in dealing with those that use it so much.

    So, yes, I can very much deal in a world without AI. It may be slower in some areas but yes I can. Especially if it means exposing all my shitty coworkers work habits.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Like, who tf uses AI but is anti-ai?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm pretty anti AI. I don't have a coding background but I would like to transition from sys admin. So I am learning but job has pushing to use AI to make faster results then I were to do it by hand :/ Still trying to learn out of work.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    Me. It's so much slop but at the same time if I grab a bunch of text from a spec book or web, I can tell it to reformat the columns and strip out stuff in a single line.

    I could do the same with grep, sed, sort, trim etc but it would take longer

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Corey Doctorow has a good article about this.

    If Donald Trump ordered Big Tech to turn off all of your country’s chatbots tomorrow, nothing would change. Every one of your country’s ministries and corporations would chug on with nary a hitch. Households, too, though perhaps a few of the younger members of those families would have to do their own homework again.

    Contrast this with what would transpire if Trump directed his tech giants to switch off your country’s Office 365 access, or to brick your Android and iOS phones, or to killswitch your John Deere tractors. Your country would effectively cease to exist.

    Sure, tons of people are using AI, but that isn't because they need AI to get their jobs done or even that AI makes their jobs easier. It's because their bosses are convinced that they need to be using AI because it will change everything.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    their bosses are convinced that they need to be using AI because it will change everything.

    What the bosses mean by this:

    we're really hoping to save a ton of money in the long run by firing humans.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 months ago

    Holy lack of self-awareness

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago

    I just started a job as a manufacturing engineer. One of my main tasks thus far has been to make work instructions describing how to assemble product in assembly areas.

    Recently one of my coworkers found a new job and left behind some paper copies of work instructions when he left. Unfortunately we couldn't find the digital copies of these work instructions on his computer. So I had to take the paper copies and make editible Visio documents that looked the same as the physical ones.

    I hadn't used AI for work stuff before so I decided to try it.

    So I scanned the paper copies and gave the resulting PDF's to copilot to see if it could just automatically make a Visio copy for me.

    Suffice to say I ended up wasting an hour watching it create documents that were just a jumbled mess. After that I just gave up and did it on my own.

    It took me 20 minutes to make copies of the 2 documents because all I needed to do was open a PDF viewer, highlight text, then ctrl-c ctrl-v.

    So we are wasting all of our RAM on this shit?

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    I work with Jira and they replaced the search with an AI. I have no choice but to use it to search through previous tickets, and it sucks.

    Sometimes I try to use it to help me solve tickets, but most of its suggestions are wrong.

    So I could very well do my work without AI. I could before being forced to use it.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    I work in tech and I've never used AI for any reason ever. Never a question. Never code. My coworkers don't understand. I'm even required to use it in new and unique ways, and I'm not going to use something I'm going to learn to rely on, especially when my critical thinking is precious to me.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    I mean... it is hard to get through the day without meth though? And some of you don't do meth? You're missing out.

    The only bad part about meth is when you run out of meth, or I guess sometimes also when the shadow people keep torturing your dead grandma in front of you and you can't poop for a month and any time you go out in public people stare and you wish you could remember if you've showered since the last time you pooped and the voices whispering in the radio start telling you everyone is plotting against you and you need to kill them before they kill you.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    I've not intentionally used it. I shall continue on happily.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    I find these tech-bro dickheads hilarious

    They look down on everyone else, genuinely believing themselves to be innately superior

    I work with my hands.

    I have an education, including a science degree, but I choose to do something that I enjoy and that I think contributes to this world

    When the chips are down, guys like this are lost, useless, and little more than a hindrance

    And of course, they're utterly unable to see that they aren't people of value

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    AI isn't awesome like meth though

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I think I've used Google Lens at work once, to identify an electrical component. I want to see if it can read resistor values at some point.

    But, I likely wouldn't even notice if AI stopped working.

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  • [–] 26 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Well, I regularly get the AI replies from Google searches, but i skip them. I am the only developer in my team who does not use AI. And sometimes I wonder if I'm the only one who can still think without crutches.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    They had Google lens (machine learning) before chat gpt was released to the public (llm), so i don't usually paint it by the same AI brush.

    I've used it quite a few times and it works pretty well for identifying things.

    I've had a similar problem using it though. Most of the time it's bang on, but sometimes with really hard problems, it is confidently wrong, and returns a bunch of things that look similar but are significantly different from your picture. If you are used to it being correct and aren't in the habit of thinking critically about its answer, it is easy to be mislead by its oracular answers.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    Let me put it in tech bro speak: most of my AI usage has been suitability evaluation.

    In layman terms: does this shit even do what it's supposed to be doing.

    It doesn't. There are few limited tasks where LLMs can be genuinely used as a tool (my favourite example is image captioning) but it still needs hand holding and can't work fully automatically. It'll fuck up, and I'll need my expertise to unfuck it.

    They marketed AIs as "don't worry, you can just use it as a tool". It's a tool that is sometimes useful. This is not a high endorsement.

    Now: it's my humble opinion one of the greatest tragedies of this AI boom is that it never should have been pushed to the mainstream. If LLMs had been left to the stage where they blatantly are now, they'd been left as marginal nerd toys. And all would have been well. But no, the Bros had to ruin it all and let us all discover myriad societal ills unfathomed by scifi authors. Thanks guys.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    Would bet cash money these people have never touched even a basic stats lib/module in their life, let alone pytorch or tensorflow lol.

    I kinda wanna see some funny ISP/Cloud outage that only breaks connections to model providers to see how entrenched people and services have become with AI.

    Imagine rolling into work and the office is in flames because ChatGPT is down.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Why is it so hard for these idiots to grasp that the process of actually making something yourself IS THE FULFILLING PART.

    It's not the end result that is where the fulfillment comes in when I'm programming something or writing something; it's the knowledge that I MADE IT and as a result I have now accomplished something. If you tell an LLM what to do and they do it, you haven't accomplished anything. You haven't earned it and you have no right to be proud of it.

    Hell, if an LLM came about that could mow my damn lawn so that I could spend more time writing and programming and 3D modelling and video editing, etc... than hot damn...THAT would be something I would pay for.

    At what point did the adage "It's not the destination, it's the journey" cease being meaningful to these morons?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    I'm not sure it's so black and white, LLMs (even frontier ones) are total spaghetti merchants if you let them anywhere near the architecture but I get zero fulfillment from manually solving merge conflicts, setting up someone's fragile idea of a config, or other tedious stuff like that.

    I do dislike how many people seem to want the profession to change into being the meatshield between Claude and prod though.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I get zero fulfillment from manually solving merge conflicts, setting up someone’s fragile idea of a config, or other tedious stuff like that

    For sure. And it's tedious crap like that where A.I can have a limited scope of usefullness. I WANT A.I. to handle all the boring shit so that I can get on with doing the creative side of programming. But CEO's want it exactly the other way around. Rather than A.I. being your assistant, you become its assistant, it's proof reader.

    I will happily plug a snippet of code into an AI if it's not working and I need a second set of eyes on it to see where I missed a goddamned colon. But that's as far as it ever should go. I don't want it writing code for me, but it can make a pretty good proof-reader so that I can solve an issue and get on with writing faster.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah it's like that recent adage isn't it: I want AI to automate all my drudgery so I can spend more time being creative, but Silicon Valley is automating all my creativity so I can spend more time doing drudgery.

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  • [–] -5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Philosophy doesn't help meet deadlines.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Than it's the deadlines that need to change. I'll happily die on that hill.

    Quality over Quantity will always win the race in the long run. Ever tightening deadlines is responsible for the enshittification of everything.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    On one hand I agree, on the other hand try making that argument to management at the majority of software firms and see where it gets you. There's little commercial incentive for 'artisinal code' outside of niche sectors in my view, and commercial incentives overrule all else at the end of the day. I don't think this is morally right but this is the wider problem of which overreliance on AI is merely one expression I think

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I don’t think this is morally right but this is the wider problem of which overreliance on AI is merely one expression I think

    Oh absolutely. Corporations shoving AI down our throats is a symptom of a much wider problem for sure. It's just the latest tool in the age old mantra that states that "In order to increase profit, you can either make more or spend less."

    Somewhere in around the 80's, corporations realized that labour was their largest expense, and from that point on, employees became just another line item on a spreadsheet. Something to be managed and minimized as much as possible. They try to squeeze that labour metric down as much as possible to achieve more profit without having to increase revenue at the same time, thereby making the stock price rise.

    Humans stopped being an equation in business a long long time ago.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    I could even get through a workday without my smartphone, even tho those things have become a requirement in today's society.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    You mean...go back to how things were six months ago? I'm sure we would manage.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    Ai probably wrote that question. Whole load of words, but not understanding anything.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    I might be an exception, but I do not enjoy using AI because I find the high possibility of hallucinations and misinformation quite repulsive. It's eerie and uncanny working with it, and I actively avoid using it apart from some development assistance. (Apart from all the ethical and environmental issues which are off-putting too)

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    "If the internet disappeared tomorrow, could you still get through an entire workday?"

    "If electricity disappeared tomorrow, could you still get through an entire workday?"

    "If gasoline disappeared tomorrow, could you still get through an entire workday?"

    Yeah society eventually gets us addicted to many things for basic existence that we really should not be relying on. Hell, add even things like GPS, cell towers, and more to that list, we take so much for granted that could be rugpulled at any moment.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    I'm glad that AI has not reached the stage of "if the internet disappeared" yet, because I work in IT and I don't think I could get through a workday without the internet, but for AI I wouldn't notice a difference, as all it does is transcribe my conversations, which I already do manually anyway.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    To those two, my answer is: Internet and electricity, no because I work in IT and my job depends on those things, though this is obviously not true for all jobs. Gasoline, yes, I could; getting to my job might be a challenge currently because I currently need to take a rail replacement bus...

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    I look at my ai use the same way I look at streaming services: cheap entertainment of middling quality and if it stops existing then nothing of value will be lost. Worst case scenario I have to actually write coherent notes, but I'm trying to drink less so that's already part of the plan anyway.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This is why I feel like AI companies operate at a loss

    1- they gather training data,

    2- if they wing it for 10 years people won't be able to extract information or do certain tasks without AI help

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    people won’t be able to extract information or do certain tasks without AI help

    That's literally the mindset that drug dealers operate from: give a few, initial doses at a loss to get the person addicted. Then jack up the price because the addict can't function normally without the product.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    I got local-running AI for images and text (but the text one is slow and not as good). And I can actually code just fine myself. I would probably be slower without Claude Code. But I would still be fully able to do my job.

    This will change for the next generation which is growing up with AI. But right now, an AI outage isn't really that big of a deal.
    So we definitely need open weight models and the hardware to run them to become available and affordable to everyone. Then a global AI outage becomes as unlikely as a global power outage.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    I work in plane manufacturing, the use of ai is prohibited except for looking up simple information regarding the company, majority of the employees won't be affected except for maybe the higher ups writing a report or some other shit.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Uh yeah. Fuckin easy. I've tried AI. It was briefly kind of impressive, but added absolutely nothing to my life except the frustration of checking the answers for factual accuracy, which took even longer. I can't even think of a good use case.

    I have a brain. I've put a lifetime of work into training it. I'll fight like hell anyone who tries to make me use it less.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago*

    I tried using it as OCR software to help me simplify splitting up a grocery receipt between me and my roommates.

    It messed up some item names, fine, it got all the numbers right, but it wouldn't sum correctly in excel. I was totally baffled until I realized it used a non-unicode dollar sign symbol for some of the prices which caused excel to be unable to recognize those prices.

    It took me longer to diagnose the issue and resolve it than it would have taken me to do the damn thing with a pencil and calculator.

    Fuck AI.

    Caveat edit: it does seem to work fine for instant and casual translation software. I wouldn't rely on it for anything that matters, but speaking casually between people with language barriers, works well enough. And that's p cool ngl

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago*

    Dancing in the street, mate

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I rarely use AI. When I do have to use it for something I end up doing extra work because I always have to check and correct it's output seeing as every one of them is a lying liar who lies.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    It would affect my daily life as it would mean Fuck_AI and all its anti-AI memes would stop existing, too.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    i asked the ai twice, couldnt help me. i had to think about it, and ask the old folk on the forums.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The only place I knowingly and intentionally use AI is only at work and only code reviews (it's policy). I could 100% live without that, though I'd need to badger my coworkers. Unless AI is shoved in something else I'm unaware of, I'm not using it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I don't really understand using AI for code reviews. Shouldn't it be the other way around?

    I have my setup hooked up to SonarQube and compell it to run all its changes through that. I prefer a static analysis tool with predefined checks to keep the agent in line. I just have it do a TDD workflow using that as part of the refactor step.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    My experience is that prepping a code review with LLM is a safer bet than having a person review LLM code. None of this should replace static analysis or human code review, but it can provide a rapid feedback about something that looks off either to the original developer or helping a reviewer catch a detail that might have escaped their attention span. LLM missteps don't matter so much, since the audience is a human (an exceedingly high false positive rate is annoying, but not a disastor). Also why it makes for a handy facility for security, mistakes don't matter, missing something is no worse than before, false positives can be ignored.

    If your scenario is well served by TDD with absoutely comprehensive test cases that can grade with absolute perfect coverage of all the scenarios, then code gen can thrash on that and make progress, though it's a bit token heavy because there's a fair amount of guesses and reguessing. But if you AI gen the tests and the code, then you might get into weird states. Even if you didn't mean to have the AI mess with the tests things can go south. A couple weeks back I tried to prompt up a change that I thought should have been reasonably within the capabilities of the model, along the way it failed a long standing test and fixed it by changing the test, making the determination that the test case needed correcting to let it pass, instead of trying to pass the test case. The test case was, in fact, correct, it screwed up.

    Part of the problem is 'writing code' is about as diverse as 'writing text', and some folks are working in territory that the LLMs can chew through competently and others are places where the LLMs struggle, and then there's the person lulled into a sense of security by being in the former category until one day suddenly they are in the latter unexpectedly for no apparent reason.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    My current company requires human code reviews as well but, on commit, it gets reviewed by copilot. Codepilot tends to make some mistakes, but it does catch some things (and, yes, I'd rather be using non-ai tools that also do that, but not my choice).

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    I mean I would have a much harder time creating a "you're a fucking moron, go fuck yourself" email in a professional manner to some of my higher ups. Other than that, I would literally miss nothing about AI.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    people forget that books exist

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I'd say more like coffee. If you drink it every day, you are addicted and legit cannot work without it. But it does keep you focused when in a crunch. As for LLMs, they does have their uses, but they do not produce quality software.

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