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[–] 104 points 3 months ago* (12 children)

Just one reason their stock price is down. They no longer report subscriber numbers — you can probably guess why. It’s strange to me that a public company can just hide data from investors that might reveal when a company isn’t doing so hot.

It’s also stupid they would clamp down like this on ad-supported plans. Advertisers want eyeballs, and this means less of them. Reminds me of Reddit moving to a log-in only model.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2026/07/15/with-netflix-down-45-from-its-highs-viewer-engagem/

https://www.businessinsider.com/netflix-engagement-data-earnings-subscribers-stock-wall-street-2026-7

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  • [–] 35 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    I will never understand investors. Anyone with half a brain can put two and two together when a company starts hiding anything. Investors have no idea what they're doing, they just trust the customer will make them money, get angry when they've been duped, and will do it again.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    In this case, the ads are probably bringing in less per viewer than the service costs, so having non-paying viewers is still a net negative.

    Clamping down on this is probably a worse negative in the long run, but investors only care about this quarter.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    Considering how many streamers are encouraging people to sign up for the ad-supported plans, I think they’re making more money from the ads. Of course, they’re double-dipping just like the cable companies used to do. Charging for a subscription, and then making even more money by showing you ads. The OP’s screenshot is like how they used to charge for each cable descrambler box in a home. Wanna watch in both the bedroom and the living room? Pay up!

    It’s just greed.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Part of it is greed. Part of it is that television and physical media subsidized a lot of streaming's content and now that money is gone. There has already been a collapse of some types of movies and TV shows because the economics that led to their golden age are no longer there.

    Netflix used to get streaming rights for pennies because production companies made their money through other sources. Now those income streams are dead.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    the biggest reason is, them cancelling too many shows too soon. after 1-2 season, the show ceases to ecist. 3 if you are lucky and its thier way of forcing its end.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    One of the reasons I stopped watching Netflix shows was because all the ones I got invested those were cancelled just after one season.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    blood of zeus, sandman(eventhough its mostly finished, it felt like it wash rushed and cheaply made.) castlevania is one of the ones they kept around longer, who knows when nocturne will get renewed? the show isnt as good as the first series, albeit they have some foreshadowing for season 3.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Advertisers want eyeballs, and this means less of them. Reminds me of Reddit moving to a log-in only model.

    Not sure if you're being rhetorical, but I'll answer anyways. The reason Reddit wants you to log in is to better track you, no duh. The reason that makes them more money is because better data means better ad targeting, and better ad targeting can be translated to results like a better click through rate. When a platform has that, they can incentivize more advertisers to spend more money on their platform.

    That way, each time they sell an ad, that ad can be more expensive. It's undeniable that demanding logins will be bad for the number of ads they sell, but if they can sell higher quality ads, they'll make more money at the end of the day.

    This whole thing is the core driver behind privacy being eroded at scale, because ad targeting has proven effective, and so advertisers want to advertise on the platform with the best targeting. So everyone wants to spy on their users the best and build the best targeting.

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    [–] 48 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Who remembers netflix’s “Love is sharing a password.” tweet?

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  • [–] 38 points 3 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Exactly this. I had Netflix for a while and didn't pirate for like, 5 years. Then they started cranking up the price, dramatically reducing available movies including old movies that I wanna rewatch, and telling me my family is not allowed to use the product I purchased. So fI just stopped and went back to the high seas with a renewed passion for making my own media library as extensive as possible, and giving access to friends, family, anyone remotely trustworthy.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Ya'll are still paying for this shit? LOL.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    I pay for Netflix and share with my sister in laws family and they pay for Hulu and Disney plus. Good trade off imo

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    None of that is a good trade off when you're giving money to those shit companies.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I pretty much have every major streaming service and cable. I’m a sucker for tv content

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Stremio + torrentio addon and Alldebrid. Just 3 bucks a month.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    What's the point of debrid of you have torrentio? It seems to have basically everything.

    I've never fully saw the value of debred, maybe I'm missing something.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    The point is the almost guaranteed speed. With a debrid service I can stream and watch a 4K BluRay remux immediately with Stremio + Torrentio, no waiting, no buffering, no hitches. Sure a new or popular movie will work well without debrid but a lot of times older movies don’t stream well without a debrid especially high bit rate files.

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  • [–] 57 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    To be fair, too many people are using your account. 0 people should be on it.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    I cancelled my Netflix several years ago literally the very first time I got an error that too many people were watching or a screen wasn't authorized or whatever the specific "you can't share your account anymore" error was at the time.

    The fact that account sharing was tacitly allowed was literally the only thing keeping the value proposition of having the account afloat.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Same here. I barely used Netflix and was only paying the bill because I shared the password with family members and didn't want to cut them off.

    Once they started being weird about account sharing, there was no reason to keep paying the bill. I was on the top tier too, because they said you could play on 4 screens at once, and I figured it was fair to pay extra since I was sharing the account.

    Nobody in my family complained so it's likely they weren't really using it either. So instead of a top-tier account being shared among a bunch of people that didn't really use it, they get nothing.

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  • [–] 54 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Sing with me lads

    Ohhhhhhhh🎵

    Do what you want cuz a pirate is free 🏴‍☠️

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Ironically, I've been finding myself using Netflix again after years (stayed subscribed for the wife and MIL) to watch One Piece, a show about pirates, since I can access it at work and also because they skip both the intro and recap unlike Plex which only skips the intro.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    People who live in Germany: don't. You'll get caught.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    If youre stupid enough to use torrent without a VPN maybe.

    I dont think there is a single case in Germany where a person was punished for downloading. Its always uploads that get you.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Fuck em. Lots of free media out there. My local library has all sorts of stuff, and that's not even considering what's out on the high seas.

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    [–] 15 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Been a Netflix subscriber since the early days. Talking getting DVDs in the mail, 3 at a time, watching all sorts of crazy shit, back when they let you have a profile where you could personally 5-star rate and even leave a review for movies you'd watched. Me and a friend got competitive about it, would watch movies all the time, rate and review them, we easily had lists into the 800-1000 range.

    Then they deleted all of it with no warning.

    But I kept with it, because although I pirate a lot, I still like the convenience of not having to download all the stuff on there, and there's still some decent releases. And I share my account with my ex-wife, so she doesn't have to pay for it. And then when I'm on vacation, usually there's a smart TV or whatever and I can log on to keep watching whatever series I happen to be on at the moment (right now it's Stargate SG1).

    But the other day I got a warning about how I'm using a different device, and I had to double authenticate and reenter passwords to "allow" me to watch from my personal computer... and it made my blood boil. Shut the FUCK UP netflix, you dumb mother fucker. I'll watch the service I fucking PAY FOR, on my OWN FUCKING DEVICE, WHENEVER I FUCKING WANT TO.

    One more blood boiling moment and I'll just cancel their bullshit all together. I have a gig internet connection, I can just download shit crazy fast, I don't fucking need you anymore netflix. you forget that the slight convenience of not downloading things is the ONLY reason you exist. Stop being convenient, stop being used.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Jellyfin doesn't have this problem

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Not if everyone is on your network. Otherwise it does have some problems

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Which problems? The only one I know of requires the attacker to know the exact media path on the local server, even if they figure that out all they gain is the ability to view that file.

    Seriously though, if there is a bigger vulnerability out there, I'd love to know about it (the only one I found would allow unauthorized viewing).

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Their content has quickly become shit tier. Every new show seems like an attempt to check as many boxes as their hits from over five years ago. Spreadsheet programming. That or low budget docuseries.

    But that's programming everywhere now. Who woulda thought that consolidating the entire entertainment industry into three players would have negative consequences.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Buckle up my man. Remember how shit programming got during, and then following, the writers guild strike? How many shows just...could not recover?

    Imagine if the writers were to strike again. They'd be replaced with AI scabs in a heartbeat.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    You do not subscribe ,you should use pirate and do not feed these imperialist oligarchs

    check out: https://fmhy.net/video

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The main reason I keep subs for any of it is because we have a Roku TV in the living room and anything more complicated than just pushing the Netflix button is more than my wife is willing to deal with. She already doesn't like the Google TV box with the same apps on the other TV because she thinks it's too complicated, but she puts up with it "because you like it". If I had a way to install Stremio on the Roku, I could probably slowly convince her over to it, but that depends on how often her occasionally obscure TV preferences are already cached by RD.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    I pay for a number of concurrent streams, so "too many at one time" is a legitimate thing. What I disagree with completely is that they want them all in one house. If I pay for 4 streams, they ought to be able to be anywhere. Because I paid for 4.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Cancelled last week when I realized that I watch it almost never, the content I did consume was essentially filler, and the price was double what I originally subscribed for. I haven't picked anything else to replace it yet but I think it's finally reached the point that they are worse than the competition by a significant enough margin to matter. They really burned a lot of innate advantages. Thank you Mr. Doctorow for the correct terminology to address the situation!

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    To the high seas, me hearties!!

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I think I’ve watched things on like five devices at once on my Jellyfin. Never had this issue.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    The stress test I did had 6 transcoding streams going on my Emby server with an Intel Arc A310, without breaking a sweat. It never has more than 3 streams going at a time in normal usage though so I stopped testing at 6.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Emby: "17 people in 5 countries are watching your media. Nice."

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    Curious how you handle routing to your server/box, do you use something like cloudflare tunnels? Trying to get a seamless option for friends too but with jellyfin

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (4 children)

    I have a domain name, one of its subdomains uses a clodflared tunnel to send traffic back to the emby server. No port forwarding on my router.

    Cloudflared tunnels are pretty easy to set up for this purpose.

    So my users just navigate to sub.domain.com.au, and are presented with an emby login screen, and I manage the users in emby. It works on most smart TVs too.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    This sounds very doable, will give this a shot. Thanks!

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    If you have any trouble setting up CloudFlare tunnel, let me know with a PM. They have changed their UI layout AND the name of some of their UI menu items, which is super annoying because the current UI doesn't match any recent written or video guides, and so now it's very easy to miss certain important aspects of the setup of the tunnel and mapping the tunnel to a subdomain.

    I can at least give examples of what a working config tunnel path looks like and help troubleshoot.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Appreciate that I might take you up on that :) btw do you also use with tailscale or independently?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    No, I don't use tailscale operationally.

    I have installed it on one of my servers to try to understand it, but it's not in active use. One day when I have the time I'll try to do more with it. I'd prefer to mode away from CloudFlare because I prefer foss where I can, but I'm not enough of a purist to insist on it when there's something else that's easier to use, and free.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    This is me when they finally take down piracy and I just can't get the media anymore, since I refuse to give them a cent. I know I'll adapt, and probably be better off for it.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    Plex. Jellyfin is fine too, I am just used to Plex and prefer it’s interface. I don’t mind paying a few dollars per month for it.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    This is coming from a person with a Plex lifetime pass for the last 15 years. Fuck Plex and their greed.

    I was on the same boat as you, but this year I switched to Jellyfin and could not be happier. It actually feels smoother for me than Plex. Also there are a pot of little quality of life improvements which did not work on Plex for me, like always auto loadng subtitles in my language of choice.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Plex is good for those in our circles who only know of VPNs from ads on YouTube.

    Jellyfin is great and all but not something you can just expose to the internet and hope for the best.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    People keep saying that Jellyfin is scary to expose to the internet but Plex isn't. Could you share your reason for it?

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Not OP, but I don't expose my jellyfin to the internet because of the rough edges and its age. It hasn't been around long enough for me to trust it. It's probably fine. I'm just not ready yet.

    I barely expose my Plex server to the internet. Both are pretty seriously firewalled, and my jellyfin is only visible outside via tailscale.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I try a lot of stuff that's a lot younger than Jellyfin but I respect your position on it. From what I've read the most serious identified issue will allow unauthorized playback, but one requirement for the exploit is knowing the local system path for the media. It forked from emby somewhere around 8 or so years back and I managed to trust emby back then so maybe I'm being a bit overly naive.

    My main issue with Plex is that it only supports using its auth servers so when their having an outage, so am I; I'd rather control the media server and it's IdP.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I honestly have never noticed an outage of that type, and wasn't aware. Good to know.

    I maintain both Plex and jellyfin on the same servers at the same time because honestly neither is a full solution that I'm happy with. 😥

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    Plex will also auto select subtitles for your language of you set it up, and jellyfin currently can desync subtitles if you skip forward enough.

    I don't really have a preference between the two, but jellyfin still feels rough around the edges in places.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I fucking hate Netflix!

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    the main reasons are: cancelling seasons of good shows after 1,2, or 3 seasons, just to boost subscription numbers.

    limiting how much people can watch it on different devices, and increasing prices, with decreasing quality.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    After more than a decade with them, with the little use we hadand they just kept increasing prices every year, so I decided to give them the flick, and we are not missing it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Didn't they announce they were going to enforce this years ago? That's around the time I stopped giving them money

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    This one was always in place, the one they started enforcing a few years ago was the multiple households rule, which was slightly more draconian. I.e I paid for 4 screens, but then they decided the 4 screens all have to be in one physical household. Share it with your mum who lives 100 km away? You crazy?

    Incidentally, that's when I cancelled it. I was ok being limited to 4 viewers at a time (which also cost extra), I usually had 2-3 at the same time, rarely 4. But being limited to one physical location? Fuck that.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This is a problem of their own making having started off so lenient with account usage. In the end, it's their house and their rules though. Deal with it or set your sails.

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