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[–] 135 points 3 months ago (12 children)

Kids these days never play outside!

Holy shit is that a kid outside? Better call the fucking cops.

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  • [–] 25 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    There is a better and healthier way; it’s called Europe - where the children enjoy the freedom to be children.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    That just means it will catch up to Europe in a decade.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    That’s a very hopeful outlook. Unless the setup in Europe (Germany in my case) - public schools, really well organised football competitions for children of all ages, various clubs and activities, playgrounds everywhere, etc - changes drastically, I don’t see how this is happening in Europe in a decade. Here we literally chase the children to go out, while we sometimes beg them not to go out because it too much. At the height of the last heatwave, right after returning from vacation, our boys wanted to go out.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Yeah, all those things you mentioned are here in the US.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I don’t think so, and even if they were you’d need a car to go anywhere and everywhere. My little children’s school is 2 minutes walk from home. There are three playgrounds within 2, 4 and 8 minutes walk. My boys football club (with proper pitches and lighting) is 8 minutes on foot away from home. All the kids walk there.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You don't think so? Where do you think I'm at? But no, I'm sure you would know better about what the US has. From Germany. You don't even seem to know the US has public schools almost all kids go to.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    I assumed from your instance from the onset that you’re also based in Germany, or have something to do with this place. But, my argument still stands. I didn’t mention only schools, did I? And even if we limit ourselves to schools, you should know that the school concept in Germany is entirely different from the US. In Germany you HAVE to go to the primary school within a defined school boundary - whether you’re rich or poor. Privatisation of schools is almost non-existent. Walking to and from school is the norm - this is absolutely encouraged. For example, my kids school bars parents from driving anywhere within 800 metres to drop their kids off. This encourages self reliance as children walk alone or in groups to school each day.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    Don't judge a person by their instance, I suppose. Your school system is a minor difference and kids ride their bikes or walk to school all the time. It just went from extremely common to much less common. And like I said, literally everything else you mentioned is here in the US as well. I'm also willing to bet as just an assumption that 20 years ago in Germany there were even more kids that walked to school than their are today.

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  • [–] 66 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    What’s wrong with people. Don’t these kids have PlayStations? Why do they need to play outside?

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Don't they know the outdoors is for cars, not kids?

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  • [–] 57 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    True story. I took a city bus to the library, by myself, when I was 6 years old. This trip included a transfer.
    Still here 63 years later ...

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  • [–] 93 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Still here 63 years later

    wow jesus christ 63 years!! You should go ask the library assistant, they will prob help you. Your family are probably worried sick!

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  • [–] 31 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    My parents only gave me a dime for the trip there ...

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    No dime for the return trip, eh?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I was recently talking ro someone about the gokd ole days.

    When i was a kid, my friend and i would take a bus from Canada to the US to go hang out at the hockey arena to get autographs on our hockey cards.

    We took a bus.

    Went through customs. (All we needed back then was a birth certificate.)

    Walked through a notoriously bad area to get to the arena.

    Hung out for hours.

    And returned home safely.

    We were 10.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago*

    We used to cross the border between Quebec and the US to go jump off of a bridge and a set of cliffs over a river on the US side. We would go as a group of five or 10 kids on bmx's and 10-speed bikes. Border guards never even talk to us. They would just wave us through as we came in. And most of the time they were all smiles.

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    There are really no spaces for kids or teens do anything anymore which is crazy. Then if they are playing outside it is also an issue.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago*

    Much like the rest of society, the only reason to leave the house must involve spending money. Otherwise, you're just tricking poor billionaires and business owners by getting their hopes up and making them treat you nice, without adequate financial compensation.

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    In the 70s, every kid in the he area knew every other kid. The mother's all knew each other or at least had phone numbers. Weekends and summers we would go play all day, sometimes in 1 house. The whole neighborhood looked out for all of us. If a mother needed to find a kid, just start calling the list of mothers. Regardless,when the streetlights came on, that was the signal to go home.

    No one questioned it. That's the way it was. We would play football in the streets and move aside for cars. We would drink from the garden hose. Every kid played.... There was even one kid missing a leg who used a fake limb, we let him at football with the rest of us (granted he played line), but he was one of us.

    Miss those days

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I grew up in the 90's and it was mostly the same. Leave home at like 9am to just go start knocking on friends doors to see who was available. Get a group together for some tag or ballgame if the weather was good, stay inside and play with toys if the weather was bad. Rule was to call home by 5 so my mom would know if she should prepare dinner for us or not.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Our rule with my semi-feral kids was that they had to be home once the streetlights came on. If they couldn't see streetlights, before dark.

    We lived in a town of 10,000 next to a large nature reserve, so the only things to worry about were mountain lions and people. As long as the kids were in groups, neither was a significant risk, especially the mountain lions, which generally avoid humans. In 15 years living in that place, I only saw one twice, when I was sitting quietly, far up a mountain. As for the people, the kids were distrustful of strange adults and there were few places along the narrow streets where cars could be driven fast.

    And, despite all the tutting from a few neurotic neighbors, the kids all survived and are now self-sufficient adults.

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  • [–] 46 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    The combination of not giving kids independence then complaining how teens and young adults are dependant on their parents is diabolical.

    I often look at the independence that kids and teens are given in other countries and wish that I could have been given that sort of a childhood. I seriously think I wouldn't be as socially inept as I am today if I had that.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    You can still learn though. It's always awkward in the beginning but adults learn faster than kids.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Not sure why you're getting downvoted.

    Life sucks, we're all screwed up in some way or another. But just saying "well that's how I am now" is the standard approach these days, and it only perpetuates the problem.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Not sure why you’re getting downvoted.

    Because the most rapid rate of learning is in early childhood. For example, toddlers acquire over 50% of an entire language in a couple of years. That learning rate declines through early adulthood, then remains roughly constant unless the adult experiences dementia in later life, which most don't.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Kids learn all of that while being completely immersed in the new environment. I challenge you to move to a different country right now and immerse yourself in the culture. I bet you in three (3) years you'll have a far superior command of that language than a 6 year old that was born in that country.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    Adults get full punishments for crimes, kids don't (sometimes).

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  • [–] 54 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    I want to know if all these calls were from different people or from the same busybody. If the latter, then the real police involvement ought to be going after that person for harassment.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago

    My friend's parents (who he is now no-contact) are those people! Fox News brain got them calling up the police on anybody suspicious.

    Ten times in three months, and after two fines for abusing the police lines, 911 now refuses to take their calls.

    Last my friend checked, they were ranting on Nextdoor and writing sympathy posts on Facebook to get people to call 911 for them.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Some busybody that also doesn't want to deal with it themselves.

    The article even says they asked the kid if they were lost and he literally pointed to his house. Ridiculous they still called the cops. Also says something the cops knew EVERY time which house to go to.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    from the article it sounds like the same person...who they suspected had even been following them. I'd say a restraining order. cuz only a creep would take that much interest in a 7 yr old like that.

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You could know. It's only one click away.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago*

    No, I fucking can't. As I already said, I did read the article and it wasn't actually clear whether all four calls were from completely distinct groups of people.

    Caller #1 was "a woman."

    Caller #2 was "a woman... and another man."

    Caller #3 was "some pickleball players."

    Caller #4 was completely undescribed.

    For all we know, it could've been the same woman in all four cases: maybe she's with a man sometimes, and maybe she plays pickleball. It isn't specific enough to rule that out.


    I'm getting kinda tired of assholes making stupid assumptions about whether I read the article or not and getting them wrong.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    Its always a neighbor who hates kids. More to the point they can't stand kids playing and having fun. I've had calls from the city on a few occasions for fixing my own car in my driveway. I know who is doing it. Its a elderly woman with a mid forties autistic son who is at her beck and call. I fear for that hateful young man when she passes. I had the hood off my car fixing something close to the firewall and he stood in front of my driveway with a really cheap fiip phone taking photos. I started to call the police but figured it wouldn't result in anything useful.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Kids playing outside and people working on their car lowers the property value for the neighborhood. So many of these shitty aspects of suburban life are rooted in NIMBY-types who have a hatred of anything that would dare threaten the value of their property.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    Kids playing outside and people working on their car lowers the property value for the neighborhood.

    More to the point, fucked-up people believe that it's true.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    I’m so blessed to live in a city and country that encourages kids independence! At 4yo, my oldest feels comfortable being out of view in the playground and in safe areas, I expect him to walk home from school on his own in some 3 more years.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    This is the fourth time I've read a story about kids being arrested for being outside.

    America really is a country where you were not allowed to be outside unless you're in a car.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    don't worry... it will get better soon enough... in a bit they will start arresting parents for driving with kids in the car.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    They do, they just don't arrest the ones that matter yet.

    Europeans, don't worry, this is also coming to your neoliberal capitalist country. There are already many people who want their own version of ICE in their country (even while knowing such orgs already exist) - yes, I know them personally. Most people are stupid enough to hate minorities (because oh no, the Wikipedia about them includes words I don't understand(they are the target audience for the simple Wikipedia)), which just empowers their glorious leaders even more.

    If you aren't profitable enough a risk of resistance (minorities who can afford education are more often educated than the "Aryan race"), you are getting jailed (and optionally murdered). "But socialism has gulags." - Yes, you do too and it's worse.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago

    at least Russia is open about how vile and terrible their prisons are.

    America pretends to "rehabilitate" prisoners... filled with state sanctioned rape. and the whole fact that white criminals get let off easy (if jailed at all... because America loves to let white rapists go free especially if they keep their rape victims targeted to non-white victims only)... while people of color get jailed for lesser crimes... like walking down a street while black 10 miles from the scene of a crime (if the pigs don't just shoot them for kicks).

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  • [+] -2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)
  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    ...but not your own street, and most cities are or were (re)designed to make walking as unpleasant and difficult as possible.

    But it's OK because there's national parks you can drive to. Sure, you might not be able to talk to the shops, do you can walk in these special, government approved areas.

    I get the feeling that the fact I walked to my local cafe for a Frappe would blow your mind.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    When I was 9 my friends and I would ride our bikes miles from home on a regular basis.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I did this too in the mid 2000s before most kids had a cell phone. There was no way to contact my parents or for them to contact me for hours at a time. I would even be out by myself all day. I know people today who are afraid to let their kids do that because of how dangerous it is, but they're kids have smartphones with gps location tracking on it. They somehow think it's more dangerous for kids today.

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    [–] 28 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Lots of people not reading the article (me neither!) So i posted it here. My biggest question is why are all these people calling the cops? What is the other side of the story? Is Fox News fanning a moral panic about child trafficing?

    A Pennsylvania Mom Says the Cops Were Called on Her 4 Times—for Letting Her Kids Be Outside

    State lawmakers are mulling a law that would establish commonsense protections for families that give their children a reasonable amount of independence.

    Lenore Skenazy | 7.30.2026 6:30 AM

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    Whenever Ms. Gordon lets her sons go outside now, she cleans house. "All right, my kid just went around the block to his friend, let me sweep," she says. "Because I know if the house is clean, that's the first step toward making a good impression on Child Protective Services. It's a bizarre thought process, but—"

    But not completely irrational. Gordon (who asked not to use her first name) has had the cops called on her four times for letting her sons, 5, 7, and 9, walk and play outside in Bala Cynwyd, a suburb of Philadelphia. Reason reviewed several private messages Gordon exchanged with friends corroborating her version of events.

    The first time was about 18 months ago.

    "I was puttering around in the garden," says Gordon. "The kids were around the corner, but they were never more than a few hundred feet away."

    She'd given the boys her phone to play Pokemon Go, the game where you find Pokemon nearby using virtual reality. "They said a woman called to them and said, 'Are you lost?'" Gordon says. "And they ignored her because they were very busy. And she must've called the police."

    The boys were already almost home when the police pulled up. "My son [6 at the time] insisted on describing the whole Pokemon thing to this poor cop who I think decided to cut the visit short because of that."

    Incident No. 2 involved Pokemon again.

    Gordon was in the little gym across the street from her home with two of her kids. One was in a soccer program, so the youngest, 5, asked to go out to the sidewalk to catch some more Pokemon. Gordon said he could for a few minutes.

    "He performed perfectly," says Gordon, and soon came back in. So did a woman who spoke to Gordon about seeing the child unattended. Either before or after this, the woman apparently called the cops. A cop arrived soon after.

    Gordon told the cop she didn't think her son had been in any danger. The cop agreed. When he left, Gordon followed him outside and saw him telling the woman and another man in the parking lot, "'No, there's nothing further I can do. There's no signs of abuse or neglect.'" Concluded Gordon, "They wanted me arrested or something."

    Note that while it's becoming unusual to see kids as young as 5 outside on their own, psychologists say that, developmentally, kids are ready to walk to school by that age.

    In Incident No. 3, Gordon was walking around the neighborhood with her 5- and 7-year-old. The older boy wanted to go home, the younger one wanted to keep walking. So she told the 7-year-old he could walk back by himself. That meant he had to cross a couple of streets quiet streets he was already allowed to cross.

    When he got to his corner, some pickleball players asked if he was lost. He said no. They asked him where he lived. "He pointed to our house because you could see it from the corner," says Gordon.

    He proceeded there. And at some point afterward, so did the police. This time Gordon's husband spoke to them. "I don't know the exact conversation, because I wasn't there," she says. "But basically it was like, 'Yes, he's 7. He's allowed to walk up the block and around the corner by himself. He's even allowed to go the playground by himself. I mean—it's right there.' And the cop was like, 'Yeah, I don't see anything here to worry about.'" Case closed.

    Then somehow came Incident No. 4. Gordon and her 5- and 7-year-old were walking a few blocks to go put books in a little free library. On the way home, along the local commercial avenue, there's a plastic elephant in front of a car dealership that the 7-year-old likes to "ride." His mom discourages this.

    On this trip, she and her younger son were partway down the block while her 7-year-old had stayed behind at the elephant. Her younger son had to go to the bathroom. So Gordon continued down the block, hoping this would help the older boy learn the natural consequences of his dawdling. He yelled at his mom to wait; she yelled back for him to catch up. But she wasn't worried, because even if he didn't, he's taken this walk hundreds of times before. And each time she turned around, there he was—a block behind her.

    Mom and younger son got home, as did the elephant-rider a few minutes later. But a few minutes after that, a cop arrived, too, saying, "'I heard a report about a kid who looked lost by the BMW dealership.'"

    "So it occurs to me that the person [who called the cops] must've followed us home," says Gordon.

    First of all: Let's hear it for the cops who refused to escalate these calls into anything more than a check-in and goodbye. But then let's think about what it means when anyone with a phone can set the power of the state in motion.

    The problem, Gordon points out, is that when you have more than one kid, you simply cannot helicopter parent. For instance: What if you have a few that want to stay at the playground and one who needs to run home? (Exactly the situation Kansas mom Shaley Knickerbocker found herself in—and had the cops called on her.)

    When she thinks back to her own childhood in Brooklyn, says Gordon, "The best memories I have are being away from adults." Going to the library or store—even building a little clubhouse in an old widow's bushes.

    Now the Pennsylvania Legislature is considering a Reasonable Childhood Independence bill that would establish commonsense protections for families like Gordon's.

    Currently, Pennsylvania's child neglect law is broad. It says parents must provide "proper" care. "But the word 'proper' is vague and it invites bias and subjectivity,'" says Kathleen Creamer, managing attorney of the Family Advocacy Unit at Community Legal Services of Philadelphia.

    House Bill 1873 would amend the definition of neglect to exclude age-old independent activities, like walking to school, playing outside, or being home alone for a reasonable amount of time. The bill advanced out of committee in late 2025 and awaits further action from state lawmakers.

    Gordon and her husband bought their house because it is across the street from a playground. She wants her kids to have a healthy, happy childhood—running errands, riding their bikes, and playing, without the threat of government intervention.

    After all, she says: "What's the point of living across from a playground if my kids can't go there?"

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  • [–] 23 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    First of all: Let's hear it for the cops who refused to escalate these calls into anything more than a check-in and goodbye

    What a low fucking bar. After all this and they still can't help but bootlick

    "Give it up for the cops not murdering anyone this time"

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    I'm happily in camp fuck the police but I think she just wanted it to be known she didnt blame the police for simply responding to the calls. Of course it's a low bar to applaud them for not escalating, but it doesn't feel right to call her a bootlicker.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    When I first read about some parents allowing their kids to be "free range", I had a hard time wrapping my brain around the amount of harassment they were getting, because being "free range" in the mid-00s sounded like what nearly all prior generations (older Gen Y and older) operated under as kids, but just now some kind of anomaly instead of the bog-standard norm.

    As someone that is Gen X and grew up in a very rural area, and who spent most of their free (summer/weekend) days almost completely unsupervised, starting somewhere around 8 years old, I find it wild that the cops are now called on seeing such things...I realize things change - I'd say it's generally for the better these days, TBH. The views on safety back then for everyone, including children, were pretty much shit.

    But still, you think there should be some kind of balance...

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I think the balance is instead of being a fucking busybody calling the cops, just keep an eye on them and make sure they're okay and not causing trouble. If they're good it's all good and they gain valuable life experience being independent. If not then there's an adult on hand to assist. Kids can't learn to handle themselves if there's always an adult hanging over their shoulder to step in over every little thing.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    sounds like a karen on nextdoor.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    That platform seems designed for Karens. I signed up for that to try to offload some stuff I wanted to give away and JFC, I've never seen so many busybodies in my life.

    Just a constant stream of people bitching about what the kids are up to these days (seems like 90% of the content). I only stay because I may need to find plumbers, contractors, etc., and want to see who/what is recommended.

    But all the rest of the noise on there, holy shit. I'm not sure if there was ever a time when it wasn't like that. I can remember a time when FB was not horrible, but maybe Nextdoor started in an enshittified state.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago*

    Hey now it's not just Karens, there's also the racists, and sometimes a racist Karen. Seriously though, have you ever talked to your neighbors or tried being friendly. Like 10%-20% of them are awful and miserable, so that's what you get when you build a product that lets you talk to your neighbors.

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