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[–] 20 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Quality education is the solution to fascists.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Germany has a pretty good education system and AFD is polling at 28%..

    Cant help those who dont want to learn

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    Germany is a funny example because not only are they educated, but they also have special history, and laws that should ban being fascist, as well. They've just kind of interpreted them into unenforceability.

    TBF its not actually across the board. The main base of AFD support is in former East Germany.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    It's not super clear how this connects to the article.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (3 children)

    Decent, non-partisan-enough article on our electoral system with a terrible, very partisan-sounding headline. Canada does have a conservative government, it's just formed by the LPC vs the CPC.

    I'll admit, I skimmed their re-counting previous elections using a PR system analysis because I think voters fundamentally vote differently under PR vs FPTP. FPTP often incentivizes voting AGAINST parties, whereas PR often incentivizes voting FOR parties. For example, in the last federal election, the LPC wouldn't have got such a big anti-CPC vote under PR. Moreover, Ontario has always split the Libs and Cons at the federal and provincial levels in the last 70 years or so, minus one election with Bob Rae

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    Headlines are all those seeking bias confirmation need - they often stop reading right there. "Conservative" media owners know this, as Fox has long used the method on their sites. Who owns this publisher?

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    The CPC is the party they were talking about, who would win more under a different system.

    In reality, there would be coalition NDP/Green/Liberal governments some of the time, and quite possibly more than one Conservative party, each of which could also be in coalitions.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    The liberals in power now are effectively conservatives, especially since Carney

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I disagree with this; in places where the two first past the post has been done away with there seems to be more parties, leading to more minorities and more coalitions. Sure more right leaning parties may pop up in the west but also more left leaning parties would pop up to. Right now we have two right leaning conservative parties running the government. I really wish the “true” liberals would say bye bye Carney and go to the NDP, but that may be to much to ask of them.

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  • [–] -1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    [this system we're considering] maintains the close connection between voters and their members of Parliament—one that Canadians are familiar with in single-member ridings

    Lol. How many people can name their MP?

    These arguments don’t hold up to scrutiny, though. In Ireland, PR-STV has worked well, and while it produces coalition governments, these have been stable administrations for decades that regularly run their full term. As for the argument that PR grants extremists and radicals a route into the legislature, to date in Ireland, the far right has failed to make electoral inroads despite the permissiveness of the electoral system. Instead, hyper-local independent candidates have become a staple of the political culture.

    That feels like cherrypicking the one counterexample when there's a ton of straight examples of political fragmentation. Like, pretty much pick any different European country.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    [this system we’re considering] maintains the close connection between voters and their members of Parliament—one that Canadians are familiar with in single-member ridings

    Lol. How many people can name their MP?

    Exactly! More votes matter under PR "[this system we’re considering]", and so more people would probably be able to name their MP under a PR system

    I don't disagree with you about the cherrypicking thing, although I don't know enough about PR in other areas to know. I already read today about some right-wing crap in Italy, the other country they mentioned: Italy Blocks Reproductive Health Websites Women on Web (WoW) and Women Help Women (WHW)

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    People don't know not because their votes don't matter enough, but because they don't care, and because knowing their exact MP barely matters. In practice we vote for parties.

    To be clear, this article is about a very specific kind of PR that keeps representatives. Other kinds, like party list, wouldn't.

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    [–] 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    they did it to themselves, pp is doing wonders for destorying Concervatism in canada

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    What do you mean they’re getting their policies stolen by Mark Carney. I think Pierre Poilievre is enjoying his Stornoway mansion funded by taxpayer dollars getting almost everything he wanted except false-majority government status for himself and his cronies.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Sighs the article was good with the infographics until the misinformation and anti-pr talking points in the end. Bad coverage is better than no coverage at-least. Italy doesn't use proportional representation it's a parallel electoral system and the 2 houses are equal in power which causes unhealthy political competition.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Conservatives are keeping themselves out of power. They were so tone deaf they were still supporting MAGA before the last election. When PP lost, they brought back Andrew Scheer as leader...still an American citizen.

    Media should call them what the are: the Republican Party of Canada.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Fewer people celebrate ignorance in Canada

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    During the 2015 election campaign, Trudeau was interviewed and said he wanted AV/RV/RB. The official party position was to replace FPTP, not AV/RV/RB, but after the election Trudeau sent a committee out to see what Canadians wanted and they said they want PR. Then Trudeau shut down the process. It seems evident the reason he shut it down is because wanted AV/RV/RB. Why? Because it would benefit the Liberal party due to it being the middle of the three largest parties and so the Liberal candidates would more often be the second choice of most NDP and CPC voters.

    Before I go much further I want to point out that the only reason Trudeau got a majority in 2015 is because Canadians so strongly wanted Harper out. Normally Trudeau would never have won a majority as the next two elections showed. Also, in his first two terms, Harper only had a minority, which tempered what he could do, but when he finally got his majority, he had full freedom and Canadians didn't like what they saw him do. This is part of the reason the CPC didn't win in 2019 and 2021.

    Canadians definitely want PR but the issue is which type of PR of the half dozen or so available? The article discusses PR-STV (Single Transferable Vote) but I wish they had also discussed PR-MMP (Mixed-Member Proportional) as that is what the NDP wants to implement. Another moderately PR system is the one Stéphane Dion created specifically for Canada: P3. You can see how it works here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyLeClCrfgQ

    So far the CPC seems to want to keep FPTP. While it means they form government less frequently, they have a better chance of forming a majority government when they do. PR would mean they would form government more often, but also that they would be minority governments. PR would mean the Liberals would form fewer majorities as well.

    The other issue the article didn't mention is that switching to PR would result in shifts in party positions on the political spectrum, splits in the largest parties and possibly even mergers between sub-groups within various parties. Some other countries with PR have up to a dozen political parties. This means that trying to determine what would have happened in 2019 or 2021 under PR is not realistic. As the biggest tent party is the CPC, it would be the most likely to split. This would likely result in a less right leaning CPC party which in a minority situation would be supported by the right leaning part that split off.

    In any event, PR would result in few majority governments and mostly minority governments, meaning rarely would a single party have full freedom to do whatever they want, and it would force minority governments to work together with the other parties, which is why Canadians want PR.

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    [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    Maybe people just hate them.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Hate to break it to ya, The Walrus, but the two or three most powerful politicians in Canada are all (vaguely) conservative. Certainly more right than left.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    By making the Conservatives be terrible?

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