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[–] 206 points 3 months ago* (29 children)

I don't understand how Patrick hiding a DDOS attack in his "goodbye" message isn't grounds for banning his alts on that server according to their policy. It literally is breaking the law in many countries

Edit: for that matter, .world should consider the same for his alts there

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  • [–] 52 points 3 months ago* (9 children)

    How many do you think he's got? I swear I just found one called Eristalis created a day ago lol

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  • [–] 47 points 3 months ago

    James R Kirk - he was posting like an impartial observer on Fediverse vs Disinformation @db0 in a breakdown of the ban list thread. Things like:

    The dev posted a response in c/Tesseract but you're mostly correct. They wanted to make it easier for like minded future admins to be able to spin up a Lemmy instance without having to know all of the lore.

    Then when people called him out he started becoming a frothing troll.

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Pretty sure the dude saying how everyone who blew up over the shitlist was doing illegal shit is one too

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    looks like cardboardcruncher6400 is another, He's basically manifestoing all over the shitpost thread

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  • [–] 46 points 3 months ago* (10 children)

    I just think it's hilarious that instead of "saving" the fediverse they fractured it. Whiney bitches love to break shit then whine about it being broken.

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  • [–] 75 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I would say they've brought the fediverse together like never before. I don't think this many people have agreed on a single thing in the history of fedi.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Agreed.

    It showed the broad spirit of the users, and that the fundamental nature of the federation design model... works literally exactly as it was intended to.

    Sure, you can be the petty tyrant of your own fiefdom.

    But no one rules everything, and anyone, at a comparatively low actual cost of entry, can make their own fiefdom, if they want to.

    Maybe we should all be thanking nutomic and Dessalines, regardless of any specific disagreements any of us may have with them, for doing the fundamental conceptual and coding work.

    Lemmy's origin story:

    https://lemmy.eus/post/5460

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  • I would definitely agree. Despite our differences, we all have one thing in common. We don't like being deceived by those who build the frontends we use. We trust our credentials to these people and trust they aren't going to screw us over. He violated that trust and people are right to be pissed about it.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Hell, it's the first time I've seen everyone open to reasonable discussions of ideas like his in a long time. By setting up a boundary that everyone vocally agrees is unacceptable suddenly there's a sense of trust that people aren't all rushing towards it.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Lemmy.world isn't going to take action against his account. They already don't take actions against the no-content sockpuppet accounts and extremist trolls who use their instance. They should take action against them, they likely won't though.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Lemmy.world isn’t going to take action against his account.

    Of course not. He's basically jordanlund if he knew how to code.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Maybe he is Jordanlund, it's certainly possible. I don't think one could meaningfully prove otherwise.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Do you really think jordanlund would be able to stay away from this thread if it were him?

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  • [–] 137 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    The whole "you violated our policy but we can't tell you how you violated it" thing has heavy big-tech gaslighting vibes.

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  • [–] 82 points 3 months ago

    It even has the "here is a link to the entirety of our policy" trope. Like com'on, bruh, this is actually making me angry just reading it regardless of context.
    I loathe that sort of shit.

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  • [–] 104 points 3 months ago* (11 children)

    That was my first instance. Turns out it's the star trek has gotten too woke kind of people running it?! Ah well, llap 🖖

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  • [–] 39 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I think they actually use star trek as a cover to find leftist and trans people to add the to their list

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I had forgotten the reason the .website was first formed, and then some of the posters returned to .world later. I wonder if there is anyone out there documenting all the different lore bits.

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  • [–] 44 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Well, I'm the one who caused the exodus from Startrek.website so... if you've got any questions, just ask.

    The tl;dr was thus:

    ST.W was made in response to redditors leaving reddit. It was created, and is run, by the same moderators who created and ran /r/StarTrek. Those moderators have a metric ton of drama surrounding them on reddit to the point that Star Trek fragmented into a hundred different subreddits to avoid being associated with what everyone was considering toxic moderation. Even toxic by reddit standards.

    So when startrek.website started, the same behavior did too. Curtailing opinions is a big one. ValueSubtracted@Startrek.website, one of the admins, literally cannot help himself. He's a diehard defender of the newer treks, much like I am, but he takes any slight against the show as an active insult. Where I will only remove things that are categorically false or dogwhistle-type homophobia/racism, he will remove anything that is negative about the newer shows. He will tell you to stay on topic or be positive and refuses any negative coverage.

    I first joined startrek.website as Stamets (although I was on lemmy before that) and started posting. Things were going well until I started seeing posts removed from their Star Trek meme community for nonsense reasons. I asked the admins what was up and they handwaved away the abuse from the moderator of that community (USS Burrito Truck) and their own abuse. So I left startrek.website and set up TenForward on lemmy.world (something I've left for Risa@lemmy.dbzero.com although I've been very inactive for the past month due to life). I sent messages to the other big posters who were active, friends of mine by that point, asking if they'd want to join me on TenForward. They said yes. By this point, nothing was really posted publicly by me save for a comment or two around the time I left. Those comments were removed/deleted.

    The first couple weeks went by smoothly for the comm but not for me. ValueSubtracted started reaching out to several admins of different instances, asking them all to ban me from their instances. Those admins all reported it to me like "What is his problem?" and denied him. So I made a post on Mastodon saying that people should consider staying away from startrek.website due to some odd admin decisions. Within 24 hours I had gotten an email from my mastodon instance saying that there was a report against that post and I needed to clarify it with my admin. I gave her the information and she said the report had no merit and dismissed it. But it was clear who made the report.

    We then started getting reports on TenForward for every tiny comment and every tiny post, accusing the community of causing cross instance harassment that was directed towards them. Most of these comments were passively talking about what was going on. There was no hate or harassment but the reports were coming from ValueSubtracted and were overloading the report section. Like maxing out the character count.

    I asked him politely to stop several times and he kept doubling down and refusing to stop. It was at that point, realizing he wouldn't stop until he was forced to, that I made a giant post about it. Included all the screenshots of the private messages he sent me, the reports, the insane shit, everything. Proving conclusively that the level of harassment they had risen to was going across multiple websites.

    That post was lost when I deleted my lemmy.world account. Or so I thought. Someone sent me the internet archive page for it yesterday. So if you're curious yourself...

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I'm struck by incompetent of moderators they must be to think these attacks would work

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    It's pathetic. They tried the same thing again a few months ago when I made another post updating their sketchy behavior. They're so predictable that I used the phrase 'scorched earth', quoting VS as probably saying thats what he was going to do. Little did I know until after was that he did use that phrase. When I quoted him for it, he lost his fucking mind and had a meltdown in the matrix channel before leaving in a huff.

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  • [–] 84 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    So when do instances start defederating startrek.website since they clearly want to be alone?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago* (4 children)

    Out of curiosity what app do you use? For whatever reason I've never been able to get .gifs to upload (work in comments) using Jerboa.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    I've noticed that when you copy-paste a gif it ends up with only the first frame as a still image, but if you actually save it as a .gif file and then upload it, it works.

    This is with either the default web UI or Voyager, BTW.

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  • [–] 51 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Glad I already deleted my account there. And blocked the instance.

    Shame, but I'd rather not be around members of a fandom that actively support shitty and shady practices like that, and I sure as FUCK don't want an admin that's complicit

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  • [–] 49 points 3 months ago

    I mean at least it is an instance doing the defederation and announcing it publicly (so people who don't like this can leave). This also makes a great example for people who don't understand the difference between banning lists in apps vs instances.

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  • [–] 49 points 3 months ago

    I'm not surprised. They were shit mods back on reddit and continue their shitty ways here in the fedi

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  • [–] 48 points 3 months ago

    I guessed I'd be seeing something here with the bans and removals that started cropping up in that thread...

    100% PTB. Just removing anyone who is pointing out that its related to tesseract, a total lie, etc.

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  • [–] 45 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Is this the same Star Trek instance that had some huge drama with The Picard Manuever (? Maybe it was someone else?) that led to a user exodus? Or a different one?

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  • [–] [S] 51 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    Idk probably, the admins and mods over there are always power tripping about something.

    There was also the whole Stamets writeup last year about their bs to

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  • [–] 40 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    God, Stamets must be sitting there giggling into their icecream rn. Canary in the coal mine

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    No ice cream, alas. Wouldn't mind some though. But giggling? Yeah.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    I always knew Stamets was a good egg.

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  • [–] 29 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    We all knew Stamets was right just not HOW right

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  • [–] 115 points 3 months ago* (13 children)

    I made a single comment asking how someone can be anti-trans and a fascist boot licker but also a star trek fan.

    Guess who I asked.

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  • [+] -78 points 3 months ago (9 children)

    So you called them names and they kicked you to the curb? Shocking development

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  • [–] 67 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    An old .world account that got turned on after Patrick had his shitfit, and defends Patrick. Hmmm...

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  • [–] 37 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    He just can't help himself! No matter how many times he says he's quitting the platform, he's back before you know it. It's hilarious how transparent and obvious his alts are.

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  • [–] 30 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It's one thing to have an alt, (I do, and I intentionally block my account and all politics/negative things to keep space, it's more for looking at memes and making them), its another to pretend it's not you and defend yourself.

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  • [–] 35 points 3 months ago*

    The way he uses these alts is very Reddit-like, keeping them dormant until it is time to wake them up to sockpuppet. He has to invent false users to side with him because he's utterly alone otherwise and he can't handle it. Nobody else sees him for the last bastion of Lemmy sanctity and purity that he thinks he is.

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  • [–] 32 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    How many differently named alts is it normal to have? I could accept like, one or two for safety reasons (never want to connect too much info about yourself). But the known ones (Admiral Patrick, ptz, Kirk) plus all the others who feel suspiciously strongly in favor of him despite being almost entirely inactive is for sure suspicious. Like… whatcha stockpiling all those for, man??

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago*

    If you're doing app development you tend to aquire accounts - straightforward things like testing interactions between users in different conditions means you quickly wind up with a spare heap of them. It's why pretty much every open-source crashout like this has the same period of rooting out alt accounts and "randos" coming to defend a dev "they" like after being inactive for years.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    I think by the time you hit 5 you need a long hard look in the mirror. 1 for NSFW stuff you don't want to associate with your main is normal, 1-2 for breaking up information or other stuff. Then 1 more because I'm sure there are other reasons. But 5? What are you even doing at 5?

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