Yay!
Be better if it was free though.
Yay!
Be better if it was free though.
Noooo! Now by cycling to work I am only saving £20 a week rather than £30 a week!
Okay, now do something about how insanely expensive train tickets are. This is a good step forwards, but I feel way more people rely on the train to travel than busses.
You could be more appreciative than "okay, now do another great thing". I agree like but when people do sit things we fuck em up, we should give propers props for good deeds.
Train tickets are priced, among other things, to manage demand and prevent overcrowding. Increasing capacity is a long-term and high-cost process (see HS2) and the government doesn’t have that sort of time or money.
Train tickets are priced to maximise profits for shareholders. For a lot of tickets there's a maximum amount they're allowed to raise them by each year, and you better believe they do exactly that.
They're slowly being renationalised when their contracts run out, which is a start.
A good benchmark for pricing should be "two people taking a train should cost about the same as it would to drive in a car". It's nowhere near that. For most long UK journeys it's cheaper to fly to another European country and fly back to the destination than it is to take a train.
The railways were effectively nationalised in 2020. Since then they have been run as management contracts - with the franchisee being paid a flat rate by the DfT per train, and the DfT keeping the ticket revenue. Indeed, Thameslink, Southern and Great Northern, the largest franchise, had been a management contract as early as 2015.
The average profit margin was around 2% of face value, while around 60% went to network renewal. Under franchising, DfT set the price of 40% of tickets. The remainder, set by franchisees, were often cheaper advance offers.
HS2 is clearly just a deliberate money pit at this point, there's no other reason a relatively short line like that could out cost the entire EU wide rail refurbishment project by a factor of almost 2.
They decided to make it a high speed line. This requires much wider curves, limiting how many obstacles could be avoided. In turn this led to expensive court battles and hideously expensive mitigation, such as the £100m bat tunnel.
Nimbys with Tory connections got the lines put into very expensive tunnels under the Chilterns. This was last minute and incurred an additional billion pounds.
Very high property prices, and poorer ground than expected leading to £5bn in extra remediation.
An overly-generous redundancy scheme at HS2 Ltd.
Deferrment of some elements such as the section to Euston incurred inflation.
The government decided to demand a much longer guarantee period than is normal - the time after completion in which the constructor is liable for any repairs - which bumped up the price of everything.
Is this guy also going to tax the rich? That would be a game changer. #TaxWealthNotWork !twnw@fedia.io
Unfortunately he’s paying for it by scrapping £500m of foreign aid aimed at climate change mitigation.
This might do a lot of good towards climate change mitigation, I get it it sucks for whoever was receiving the foreign aid but it's not an entirely bad thing.
I wonder if a study can be conducted of where we could invest having the best impact for the world, but also we have to consider governments are naturally (and should be) incentivized to invest in their own communities.
Anyways, it's a difficult position to just be against or for this proposal, there's an argument to be made about social justice and how the global south will bare the worst consequences for climate change while having contributed the least to it.
Do you have a link? Because that turns this minor win into a distraction tactic. I knew this guy was gonna be more centralist than we need but I thought he'd at least fake it for a couple of quarters.
Sounds like it won't be long before he's booted too if this is true.
This action to ease the cost of living is being funded by savings from reprioritising the Department for Energy Security and Net Zero’s budget, including by switching funding for international climate from grants to loans.
Thank you so much! I'd like to know more of the details on what reprioritizing means in this context, I'm not certain a dollar off of fares is equivalent to some meaningful green energy projects but at least according to this article they're simply moving from grants to loans which on its surface isn't the worst thing. I think grants make more projects possible regardless of their economic feasibility, while loans are potentially more self-sufficient and reoccurring.
I'd also have liked to see a push for more trains, trams, and street cars. Buses seem to me to be the worst of public transit options. But I'm happy they're getting more long term funding. Roads are a plight but if it helps the UK people value public transit more that's a good thing in my book.
The sorts of countries involved can’t necessarily afford the loans. This is going to have a big negative impact in the developing world.
Ya, that's the sort of underhand cruelty that I expect from a centralist party. I can understand the desire for countries to put most of their money to local projects, but I have no doubt this was a small portion. These sorts of projects have high returns on several important metrics, not even accounting for the impact the western world has had on the southern countries we pillaged.
Burnham has promised a lot, but Britain is broke. Every wonderous policy is going to have to come from cuts. He’s signalled a massive investment in defence, and that’s going to hit welfare hard.
"... (Has) To come from cuts" is not how I would put it. Britain could tax the ultra-wealthy out of existence and remove housing as an investment vehicle and they'd be able to leave welfare intact. Every dollar taken out of the quality of living of the average citizen is a choice to give that dollar to the rich. Conservative governments shouldn't be allowed to do this and people need to be educated on what wealth inequality means for the average Joe.
#TaxWealthNotWork
Burnham has under 3 years. It’s not realistic.
3 years is absolutely plenty of time to get the ball rolling and potentially even complete the task. If we prematurely say to only the things that would improve our lives "they're too unrealistic" then those things will face friction worse ideas don't have to.
Be the change you want to see in the world and stop assuming good things are too hard to complete.
This is where chicago is at about. little over 2 bucks a ride. Its a pretty good compromise between having it cost something but for it to be not to much and low enough that its a great option cost wise. I honestly don't get why so many people don't use it but then again many do. im talking the metro to.
1.1 million people use Chicago transit every day. I don't think a lack of ridership is the issue. It's all the space that's been given entirely over to cars (looking at you, Lake Shore Drive, monument to pestilence that you are)
Im not really pointing out an issue. Honestly LSD would be hard to get rid of but I could see it taken away from cars. Would be a great cooridoor and line park. Would like to see the whole downtown area bounded by the lake, the river, and congress made car free. Just ambulances, busses, and shipping trucks allowed. LSD would need to have exits and cross streets removed in that case. No getting off in that area. If I had one thing it would be that.
I'm confused, why does the measure cost money to the government? Is the government going to pay the remainder?
I'm confused, did you think busses are free to operate?
Very likely, when you cap the price of something you have to pay the difference, since the public transport is run by private company. Even if it's government owned company, they still have to pay people that run the company so it will still cost the government if the fare is lower than the cost of running the bus service.
If it was were public I'd understand that.
But if it's private, you're basically increasing demand on the service by artificially lowering the price, without addressing potential overcharges... I guess it's still OK because you reduce traffic and end up saving elsewhere, and you can bargain the price collectively. Still I would prefer that bargaining to happen before the measure is put in place and you start giving away public money to a private company
That's very much the point. There's more to the cost/benefit ratio than just ticket price and the provider's profit margins. There's also the cost to the public of people not using buses: road congestion, which adds to everyone's commute times; the productivity impact of those longer commutes; the need for parking spaces when cars are used; the cost of that parking; the opportunity cost of those parking lots not being used for something else more socially valuable such as housing; the externalities such as additional noise, pollution and fatal accidents; the reduced disposable income that results from more costly (at point of use) options.
Most bus routes are already subsidised, as demand is often low in a rural area. Maybe there’s enough demand for a couple of services per day, but that’s inconvenient. Subsidies mandate minumum service levels, but don’t cover the full operating costs, so fares are necessary.
£2 per journey is not usually enough to cover costs, so the remainder is paid as another subsidy.
There's also a vicious cycle where, especially on rural routes, buses are infrequent, which creates a deterrent to using them at all, which in turn depresses ridership. You're not likely to make a bus trip into town to do some shopping if you can't get back home for eight hours, and you're not going to commute to work by bus if the only bus arrives at the needed destination three hours before you start work.
Hopefully the increase in popularity will reduce per-person costs and at that point the government can do collective bargaining.
Thanks for the replies
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