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[–] 202 points 3 months ago (29 children)

Cant even read posts on the browser without being interrupted about a minute in saying to use their stupid fucking app. Reddit is trash.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (24 children)

    If you use old.reddit.com, at least on chrome mobile, it doesn’t do this. That’s how I’ve gotten around that pop up. It’s more than mildly infuriating tbh.

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  • [–] 34 points 3 months ago (23 children)

    They've recently started blocking access to old.reddit.com without logging in.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (21 children)

    I am quite literally on it right now and I don’t have a Reddit account.

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  • [–] 47 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

    Welcome to A/B rollouts.

    The idea is that instead of making a sweeping change for every single user, you roll a feature/system/UI update, etc out to a small number of users, to see how effective it is. It gives you time to see how those users react to it, how they interact with it, how it impacts their broader site usage, etc… And then once they have had time to gather some feedback and work out the bugs, they push it out to the rest of the users.

    Most big tech companies use A/B rollouts nowadays. YouTube, Meta, Reddit, TikTok, etc all give users access to different updates at different times. Because it allows them to gauge how their users are actually interacting with the updates before they accidentally tank their entire system with a bad update.

    For new features, it can also give the company time to properly scale their backend systems to accommodate a new feature. For instance, when Tiktok rolled out images in comments, they likely had to do some work on the backend to ensure their systems could handle the added load of suddenly downloading a bunch of images any time a user opened a comment section. By phasing the rollout in multiple steps, they didn’t have to upgrade all of their systems up front before making the feature available to some/most users.

    Using this post as an example, imagine if there was a bug that didn’t allow users to log in after they got this prompt. Or didn’t allow logged in users to access the site, because it kept redirecting them back to this page. Or it allowed users to continue browsing without a login, as long as they were in Dark Mode. Or any number of other potential weird issues that could arise. The A-users are essentially pushed into beta testing the new feature, before the B-users get the update. In this case, you’re simply a B-user who hasn’t been scheduled to get the update yet.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Damn. And I was really starting to feel like “the chosen one” 😅

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    IM READING REDDIT without a account, got swept in the purges last year.

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  • [–] 91 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    They don't even try to lie effectively. Why in Hell's name would you need to log in to "keep reddit safe" just to lurk?

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  • [–] 57 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    My only guess is because they want to force AI scrapers to pay for access. And most scrapers probably work best on old.reddit because they keep changing new Reddit’s layout. As a programmer, if you’re going to code something to access a site, (and you don’t want to constantly have to rework it every time they make a small UI update) you’re going to use the version that never changes. So by forcing them to log in, it makes tracking the individual users (and thus, identifying potential unauthorized scraper accounts) easier.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    But can't you use very simple agentic AI to constantly update the code for web scrapers on new reddit? From what I understand that is the kind of coding LLM can do well and you can just unit test for errors and feed it back to the LLM until it works. Even requiring accounts, creation can be automated using LLMs too.

    This sounds like it a loosing proposition and will only piss off hardcore users. Not that this would stop them. But I don't think protection from web scrapers is a good explanation. Probably it's just enshittification, forcing users to use their new interface to optimize business metrics. Someone is going to get a bonus because they improved the short sighted metrics.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Easier to track users and produce verifiable "x potential viewers " to present to advertisers.

    They've wanted to kill old.reddit for a while. It doesn't support advertisers or tracking the way they want. Also RES is still a thing on it. They're too chickenshit to do so though, since the actual content generators and knowledgebase still use it. This is another attempt to slip the noose tighter

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    It's up to you on whether you believe it or not. But the reasons they're giving are that they've got protections going on when you access new Reddit that they aren't able to implement on Old Reddit. Again, this is coming from the announcement from the Reddit admins. It sounds plausible to me and I really don't care to argue this. I'm just passing along what they actually said.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Protections from.. users reading text?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Exactly. That's why I mentioned lurking. I haven't participated in reddit for quite awhile, not after getting permabanned for dubious reasons. But I'll still lurk, especially on some of the niche community subreddits. I also cannot fathom what someone just reading text might need protection from. I can certainly see it for commenting, but you've always had to be logged in to do that anyway.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    It's to stop automated scrapping. Old reddit has less/little/no protections from that. New reddit has a lot more in place. So when you log in (which now you can only make an account with new reddit), it tracks a lot more information so it's more difficult to get around bans. Basically stops the majority of automated scraping, which reddit doesn't want.

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  • [–] 65 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Don't you understand? Reddit is in DANGER from users NOT BEING LOGGED IN!

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Think of all the horrible CSAM posts I can flood reddit with while NOT LOGGED IN! They must be in shambles!

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    To be fair, the likely reason in this case is AI companies mass-downloading Reddit posts for their training runs. You can't really cache the internet, so from what I understand, every training run they scrape this stuff anew.

    For many smaller sites, it's effectively a denial-of-service attack, which is why lots of them have put up this thing:
    Anubis bot protection screen

    For Reddit, it might just be additional traffic that they have to pay for and which doesn't give them any profit. Although, if Reddit is still as unstable as it was years ago, I also wouldn't be surprised, if they got DoSed by that a few times as well.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    What you say is true, but not the reason. Part of reddit’s business model is selling its data to AI companies. So they just don’t want to give it away for free

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    selling its data

    Correction, selling its users' data.

    Reddit doesn't make content, it just hosts content that its users submit for free and charges other people to access it.

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  • [–] 64 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    if you just want to browse, redlib is amazing, and even more with the libredirect extension on desktop.

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  • [–] 41 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    or, you know, don't use reddit

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  • [–] 41 points 3 months ago

    Porque no los dos? Of course don't feed reddit with content for them to sell, or aimlessly browse the frontpage. If you need information on a niche subject, or refer to something that happened in 2011, don't burden yourself to avoid reddit. Just set yourself to be in read only mode with ad blockers to the max so you get more from them then they get from you.

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  • [–] 19 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    It is still unfortunately the go-to landing spot for basically any “I’m having an obscure tech issue and only one person posted about this specific error code six years ago” type of search.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    I use both redlib and piefed on a daily basis.

    I haven't logged in to reddit for years, but there's loads more content there for niche topics.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I went one step further. uBlacklist works wonders from removing reddit from search results. No point in seeing results from a site that won't let me in.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    redlib is amazing

    two weeks goes by and it breaks

    Not worth the effort. Been down that road. Redlib fixes, Reddit breaks again, over and over and over.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    It’s clear that Redlibs maintainer is burnt out, as were the LibReddit folks who developed and maintained it initially before it was forked. Software like this is an endless cat and mouse chase, Reddit break something, the community works around it, rinse and repeat.

    It’s why we don’t see Bibliogram around anymore, Instagram made their APi unbearable to work with.

    In regard to the difficulty of keeping a Redlib instance alive, currently most of the discussion occurs in one issues post on GitHub, and people have suggested other docker images that currently work.

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  • [–] 106 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Don't log into an account.

    Browse the Internet like normal.

    If x.com or reddit.com won't let you view without privacy, they're dead and useless.

    Have some spine; lead, and stop following and being led by evil people and companies.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    This is true for YouTube as well.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Yep, I do that. I don't subscribe, I bookmark.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    Google are becoming increasingly hostile, sometimes not age-restricted content will show the same if it flags your IP etc. and then login doesn’t even work, with multifactor errors if again IP limited or flagged you don’t even get your MFA options, passkey prompt not appearing etc all of it I presume in service of bot protection but definitely also ad and app blocking

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Lol Tumblr, Pinterest, and Instagram with its nonstop log in request

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    Tumblr and Pinterest are on life support.

    Insta and reddit still have enough inertia.

    If they don't make you log in, they lose sigint.

    IF they do make you log in, they burn activity and users

    Reddit will eventually fizzle out, Just another in a long chain of bad ideas trading short gains over long life.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    XCancel and redlib will let you browse both without an account, and while cutting out most of their ad revenue as well (bots/marketing accounts notwithstanding of course)

    Firefox extensions:

    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/redlib/

    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/xcancel/

    Redlib is also much easier to use on mobile than old reddit, but posts are rate limited to every 12 hours or something. So it actually helps stop you from doom scrolling a bit too.

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  • [–] 24 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Thanks for forcing me reddit. Hello lemmy

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  • [–] 22 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Nice. That is just enough of a barrier to stop be using reddit entirely. Not posted in years but sometimes read when bored enough.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Same, I'm 100% here now.

    I still lurked since the api bs and after close to 20 yrs on reddit they pull this crap. They can get fucked.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    Its dead, Jim.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago

    Thanks for the content you createdfor us, now log in to see it.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Can't even access reddit at all with my VPN turned on now.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    Why should I change when it's Reddit that sucks?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (2 children)

    Ok then, don't.

    "Can't even access Reddit at all with my VPN turned on now, and that's why I don't use Reddit anymore."

    This does not invite solutions. If you write it this way, you won't have to get mad at people who reply trying to help you.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I thought the context of this being in a thread about reddit being "absolute bullshit" about removing people's ability to access the site would've indicated that I'm not actually not actually asking for help on accessing reddit.

    I'm just providing another data point about how reddit sucks.

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