Cant even read posts on the browser without being interrupted about a minute in saying to use their stupid fucking app. Reddit is trash.
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They don't even try to lie effectively. Why in Hell's name would you need to log in to "keep reddit safe" just to lurk?
My only guess is because they want to force AI scrapers to pay for access. And most scrapers probably work best on old.reddit because they keep changing new Reddit’s layout. As a programmer, if you’re going to code something to access a site, (and you don’t want to constantly have to rework it every time they make a small UI update) you’re going to use the version that never changes. So by forcing them to log in, it makes tracking the individual users (and thus, identifying potential unauthorized scraper accounts) easier.
But can't you use very simple agentic AI to constantly update the code for web scrapers on new reddit? From what I understand that is the kind of coding LLM can do well and you can just unit test for errors and feed it back to the LLM until it works. Even requiring accounts, creation can be automated using LLMs too.
This sounds like it a loosing proposition and will only piss off hardcore users. Not that this would stop them. But I don't think protection from web scrapers is a good explanation. Probably it's just enshittification, forcing users to use their new interface to optimize business metrics. Someone is going to get a bonus because they improved the short sighted metrics.
CPMs are better if traffic is not bots. Same at my company we have to use cloudflare. They essentially don't know who is human and who is OpenClaw anymore or scraper.
Easier to track users and produce verifiable "x potential viewers " to present to advertisers.
They've wanted to kill old.reddit for a while. It doesn't support advertisers or tracking the way they want. Also RES is still a thing on it. They're too chickenshit to do so though, since the actual content generators and knowledgebase still use it. This is another attempt to slip the noose tighter
It's up to you on whether you believe it or not. But the reasons they're giving are that they've got protections going on when you access new Reddit that they aren't able to implement on Old Reddit. Again, this is coming from the announcement from the Reddit admins. It sounds plausible to me and I really don't care to argue this. I'm just passing along what they actually said.
Protections from.. users reading text?
Exactly. That's why I mentioned lurking. I haven't participated in reddit for quite awhile, not after getting permabanned for dubious reasons. But I'll still lurk, especially on some of the niche community subreddits. I also cannot fathom what someone just reading text might need protection from. I can certainly see it for commenting, but you've always had to be logged in to do that anyway.
It's to stop automated scrapping. Old reddit has less/little/no protections from that. New reddit has a lot more in place. So when you log in (which now you can only make an account with new reddit), it tracks a lot more information so it's more difficult to get around bans. Basically stops the majority of automated scraping, which reddit doesn't want.
Not users - people/bots with malicious intent against the site.
I second some_kind_of_guy's comment. What exactly do you need protection from while just lurking?
Don't you understand? Reddit is in DANGER from users NOT BEING LOGGED IN!
Think of all the horrible CSAM posts I can flood reddit with while NOT LOGGED IN! They must be in shambles!
To be fair, the likely reason in this case is AI companies mass-downloading Reddit posts for their training runs. You can't really cache the internet, so from what I understand, every training run they scrape this stuff anew.
For many smaller sites, it's effectively a denial-of-service attack, which is why lots of them have put up this thing:

For Reddit, it might just be additional traffic that they have to pay for and which doesn't give them any profit. Although, if Reddit is still as unstable as it was years ago, I also wouldn't be surprised, if they got DoSed by that a few times as well.
What you say is true, but not the reason. Part of reddit’s business model is selling its data to AI companies. So they just don’t want to give it away for free
selling its data
Correction, selling its users' data.
Reddit doesn't make content, it just hosts content that its users submit for free and charges other people to access it.
You cannot, and never could, post without logging in.
if you just want to browse, redlib is amazing, and even more with the libredirect extension on desktop.
or, you know, don't use reddit
Porque no los dos? Of course don't feed reddit with content for them to sell, or aimlessly browse the frontpage. If you need information on a niche subject, or refer to something that happened in 2011, don't burden yourself to avoid reddit. Just set yourself to be in read only mode with ad blockers to the max so you get more from them then they get from you.
It is still unfortunately the go-to landing spot for basically any “I’m having an obscure tech issue and only one person posted about this specific error code six years ago” type of search.
Everybody in here that's saying "don't use Reddit" is either posing, or never has to troubleshoot or research anything.
I use both redlib and piefed on a daily basis.
I haven't logged in to reddit for years, but there's loads more content there for niche topics.
I went one step further. uBlacklist works wonders from removing reddit from search results. No point in seeing results from a site that won't let me in.
redlib is amazing
two weeks goes by and it breaks
Not worth the effort. Been down that road. Redlib fixes, Reddit breaks again, over and over and over.
It’s clear that Redlibs maintainer is burnt out, as were the LibReddit folks who developed and maintained it initially before it was forked. Software like this is an endless cat and mouse chase, Reddit break something, the community works around it, rinse and repeat.
It’s why we don’t see Bibliogram around anymore, Instagram made their APi unbearable to work with.
In regard to the difficulty of keeping a Redlib instance alive, currently most of the discussion occurs in one issues post on GitHub, and people have suggested other docker images that currently work.
I think it has always worked for me. The instances break regularly, but I just redirect to another one with libredirect.
hyper-tls fork(pr#509) has been pretty stable for a few months now. But yes, it is unfortunate that it will succumb to cat and mouse game eventually
Don't log into an account.
Browse the Internet like normal.
If x.com or reddit.com won't let you view without privacy, they're dead and useless.
Have some spine; lead, and stop following and being led by evil people and companies.
This is true for YouTube as well.
Yep, I do that. I don't subscribe, I bookmark.
You can even get RSS feeds for channels. I use Miniflux, and it'll make a feed just from the channel URL, but I think there might technically be a "proper" URL for the feed that other clients might need instead.
I cant. Librewolf, adguard home and other stuff running. It asks me to log in every time. I dont know whats the issue and tbh i really dont care.
Freetube on linux solves that for me tho.
Google are becoming increasingly hostile, sometimes not age-restricted content will show the same if it flags your IP etc. and then login doesn’t even work, with multifactor errors if again IP limited or flagged you don’t even get your MFA options, passkey prompt not appearing etc all of it I presume in service of bot protection but definitely also ad and app blocking
Lol Tumblr, Pinterest, and Instagram with its nonstop log in request
Tumblr and Pinterest are on life support.
Insta and reddit still have enough inertia.
If they don't make you log in, they lose sigint.
IF they do make you log in, they burn activity and users
Reddit will eventually fizzle out, Just another in a long chain of bad ideas trading short gains over long life.
Platforms with followers where it makes sense to have them, friends and followers on reddit always seemed odd to me
XCancel and redlib will let you browse both without an account, and while cutting out most of their ad revenue as well (bots/marketing accounts notwithstanding of course)
Firefox extensions:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/redlib/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/android/addon/xcancel/
Redlib is also much easier to use on mobile than old reddit, but posts are rate limited to every 12 hours or something. So it actually helps stop you from doom scrolling a bit too.
Thanks for forcing me reddit. Hello lemmy
Nice. That is just enough of a barrier to stop be using reddit entirely. Not posted in years but sometimes read when bored enough.
Same, I'm 100% here now.
I still lurked since the api bs and after close to 20 yrs on reddit they pull this crap. They can get fucked.
Can't even access reddit at all with my VPN turned on now.
Change your server.
But why. It's too much bullshit from reddit, just intolerable at this point.
Why should I change when it's Reddit that sucks?
Ok then, don't.
"Can't even access Reddit at all with my VPN turned on now, and that's why I don't use Reddit anymore."
This does not invite solutions. If you write it this way, you won't have to get mad at people who reply trying to help you.
I thought the context of this being in a thread about reddit being "absolute bullshit" about removing people's ability to access the site would've indicated that I'm not actually not actually asking for help on accessing reddit.
I'm just providing another data point about how reddit sucks.

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