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My wife and I have both worked in a kitchen, when we are both in the kitchen it works really well, but there are discrete tasks and we don't hoverr over each other or any of that shit. And we call behind and turn pot handles in and put towels on hot handles and keep knife blades turned down. All the little things.
Only if they're teaching.
Or, if you have a big enough kitchen.
And, maybe two stoves.
Two kitchens, that's what's needed. Two whole kitchens next to each other, then you can cook together.
Don't fucking tell me how to chop onions, I've been chopping onions my whole life. I don't care what you saw on YouTube. And, yes, I just cracked an egg on the edge of the bowl, do you SEE any shell in the egg? No. Because I've been cracking eggs that way longer than you've been alive. Go grind sea salt, or something, leave me alone.
In some parts of Asia nice homes have two kitchens. A show kitchen and a used kitchen. Sometimes the used kitchen is outdoors.
Rich people having extra shit they don't use is a global phenomenon
Don't fucking tell me how to chop onions, I've been chopping onions my whole life. I don't care what you saw on YouTube. And, yes, I just cracked an egg on the edge of the bowl, do you SEE any shell in the egg? No. Because I've been cracking eggs that way longer than you've been alive. Go grind sea salt, or something, leave me alone.
That's a toxic spouse. I'm guessing the criticism reaches beyond cooking technique.
Crack your eggs on a flat surface, and they’ll split cleanly around the equator. Crack them on the edge of the bowl if you want to blast a hole in one spot and end up with shell in your eggs half of the time.
That's how it works on paper, but in reality, 98% of the time the membrane holds the shell together, and there's no problem. The other two percent of the time, I just pick the eggshell out, easy-peasy. No one cracked their eggs this way until some TV cook showed it, and people who never cooked decided it was superior and different and good. People who've been cooking with eggs for decades don't bother with this, because it's a non-issue.
There is a distinct difference in cooking as a couple activity and cooking as a chore.
Imagine not wanting someone cutting the vegetables and watching the pots for you
Having worked in a kitchen, cooking with others brings out the most toxic version of me.
Why are you slicing carrots like its a salad? You've seen a bowl of gumbo, right? Do you need me to show you how to cut a carrot?
The same is true of my family, "you said slice, what you actually wanted me to do is chop" still elicits a feeling of disgust.
It works if you establish who’s the lead and who’s helping before you start.
You do that by figuring out who is more enthusiastic about shouting "Yes Chef!"
I assure you, my current gf is like master chef and my notably “cute” dishes are demanded because she loves just helping. “Yes chef” is said frequently to a point where we’re just giggling, but i know it turns her on so I let her do it.
If we get in each other's way when trying to help cook, we use "Yes Chef" to re-establish the flow and order lol. It works surprisingly well
This is the real answer right here!
Not just partners but really anyone it's easy if you establish who is the head chef and who is the sous-chef(s).
I'm happy to cook with as many sous-chefs as we can cram into the kitchen. Heck I'll put someone on a grill outside if I get too many. An extra two sous-chefs? Sounds like we're about to have two extra side dishes. Maybe a pie. Now the dishes are washed before we're done. Now they're dried and put away! I can find more tasks! Floors swept, counters wiped, I can find tasks for a small contingent of sous-chefs! Mad with power.
And same in reverse, there's something so hypnotic about just being the sous-chef. YES CHEF. Cut the veggies smaller YES CHEF. Just go with the flow. Ahhh
Depends on the cooking. One person peel veg and the other chopping it works perfectly well.
2 people kneading the same bit of dough while one is stood behind is just dumb.
Bullshit, I love it when my partner hangs around the kitchen while I cook. We get into all sorts of silly discussions or deep philosophical debates.
I especially love when my child is in the kitchen because I have the chance to teach them new things, or they tell me about their day, or vent their frustrations, or tell me a cheesy joke ect.
Only grumpy assholes wouldn't want other people in the kitchen and frankly I don't care what grumpy assholes want.
I have a tiny "one-butt kitchen" and I would also be uncomfortable using a sharp knife with anyone crowded over me as close as in the picture. But I love(d) cooking with my kids even if we had to spill over into the rest of the apartment, and now when they visit I "sous-chef" by washing and prepping the vegetables ahead of time, making sure they start with all clean dishes and an empty dishwasher to put the used ones in, and making delighted noises about how much more beautiful their dumplings are than mine, that kind of thing. And later I rearrange the dishwasher to my liking/best efficiency, because it's only when you have all the dishes that you can really determine the best arrangement.
Oh my God! One of my absolute fucking FAVORITE things my son does is he really wants to help me cook. It's absolutely fucking adorable. He just turned 6 so there's not a lot that he can manage on his own yet for actual on the stove cooking, but I let him stir certain things, help me pour certain ingredients, stuff like that and he's always so proud.
My wife and I did "date night" ever other Thursday. One of our rules was that if we decided to stay in and cook, we had to do it together. I really liked those nights, but our kitchen was fairly good size. Like you said, it's a nice situation for just chatting. It's like being on a short road trip.
A lot of people are just control freaks about their living space and they can't stand someone doing something differently than they'd do it. My mom was one of them for sure. She was also a shitty cook.
I'm not a control freak and I find it really hard to be around people who are, and goddamn there are a lot of them out there.
I'd just like to find someone who actually cooks. Everyone I date thinks cooking is gross and basically lives off those meal box services. I haven't met anyone who likes to cooks in over a decade.
My mom was a control freak in the kitchen, and now I hate cooking. Every time I make anything more complex than a very simple pasta, I'm subconsciously growing more and more tense because I'm just waiting for someone to yell at me.
I can relate. my mom was like it about cleaning.
it's given me a aversion to very clean spaces, and a lot of comfort in spaces that are dirty and 'lived in', and when i go to someone's house and it looks like it's from a magazine photo and there isn't a spec of dust my skin crawls.
My SO has the uncanny ability to always stand where I'm immediately about to go and is otherwise somehow always in the way when I'm cooking so they are banned from the space for the sake of our relationship and their safety.
or you're just an impatient jerk?
Lol not sure what patience has to do with not wanting to turn and spill boiling hot food on somebody
look before you turn and stop rushing to do stuff.
My kitchen is tiny and I never have this problem, but I also know how to share space and I have worked in a kitchen with 20 other people before. It's easy if you're not a dick who thinks other people are 'in your way'.
You essentially have no clue about our relationship or the dynamics so are making some frankly wild assumptions with little to go on. I'll make one last good faith attempt to get the point across.
I too have worked in restaurant kitchens with no issue. I've shared the kitchen with many friends (my place and theirs) also with no issue. This is specifically just one person who has demonstrated it's better for everyone if they just steer clear. I love them to death but they have little self-awareness especially when holding a conversion and don't cook, so inadvertently put themselves or others in harm's way because they can't anticipate what might cause an issue. Think things like standing immediately behind someone without letting them know, opening drawers behind them (again without warning), standing in front of the sink as they go to drain a pot of pasta, bending down directly behind someone to get something out of the cabinet, etc. Just generally not making their presence known combined with an almost supernatural ability to be in the worst places at the worst times.
Maybe a kitchen analogy would help: Imagine you're carrying a large full pot across the line and call out "hot behind" and as you are walking a server (who is on the line to have a look) suddenly turns and crouches down to grab something from a lower cooler right as you're about to pass them. This pot is heavy and has lots of inertia so you have a hard time stopping in time to prevent you or your coworker getting burned. Now imagine they do something similar almost every time you are making a critical or dangerous move; you're being a dick in this situation? You're impatient for all the close calls? Or will you wonder: they aren't even cooking so why are they on the line at all?
Really? I had great fun cooking with my girlfriend. Or cooking with kids. Or cooking a massive meal with a bunch of friends. This is a bad post.
I love cooking with a group of people for a just that group or an even larger group. My fav. neighborhood restaurant, I often sit at a table adjacent to the kitchen. ZOMG, it sure sounds like they are having a great time, laughing, singing, srsly.
your friends and girlfriend don't have control issues. a lot of people have massive control issues.
you're a lucky guy.
depends on the size of kitchen available.
Well, except literally every professional chefs, of course.
Professional chefs need someone to scream and throw utensils at.
If you get in the way of a professional chef, you'll be knocked out, chopped up and served as soup.
my gf's a chef and loves having me in the kitchen (or so she says) i stay at a station though to keep out of her way eg at breakfast I'm making espresso, cooking toast, heating something in the microwave for her etc she has the stove/sink/fridge/bench area
95% of our meals are at home because she is particular about her food ( and she's good at it IMO)
I cook and my girl does the dishes because I’m terrible at dish management and when I’m done there’s dishes everywhere. Our system works well for us. She gets good food and I don’t have to do dishes. Win win.
This is the system we use. I cook every few days with big portions of leftovers.. She does the dishes, she says that I don't load the dishwasher efficiently.
How can people live without a dishwasher
I’ve lived without a dishwasher multiple times in my adult life. We actually just sold our house that had a decent sized kitchen and moved into a small apartment on the other side of the country and now the mess is even more concentrated and there’s no dishwasher. So our system is even more of a necessity now lol
Only use ours on Holidays. I clean as I cook so by the time we eat there's only the dishes left and that's 3 .. costs me zero in electric and I know if they've been cleaned or not.
Synergy! We do the same thing at our house, but I've gotten pretty good at minimizing the mess. One trick I use is serving everyone first, then using the same dish that held the cooked food as my own plate.
Nah, cooking with my wife is great. And it's best when neither of us necessarily has to delegate tasks. Figuring out which tasks need to be done and and which order can sometimes be a huge cognitive load! That's why if you ask someone what can you do to help they might get mad, you've asked them to take on the mental load of how to make you useful.
Instead a much better approach is too look at what they are doing and think for yourself what needs to be done! Uncut veggies that need to be chopped, ask if they want you to chop the veggies. Dishes piling up in the sink? Ask them if they want you to clean the dishes. Are they making something that needs boiling water, like pasta or potatoes? Go ahead and get a pot of water boiling. It's much better for someone helping to not just complete the task, but to identify it too.
With my partner we often swap between different styles, if it's something she wants, she's in charge but I still try to find ways to help without her asking to do it. Other times the roles are reversed and she's helping me. For big events like Thanksgiving, we are both overwhelmed and will often know what needs to be done and just do it, no one's in charge, we are approaching this like a team.
If your partner never wants you in the kitchen, it's probably because you're useless and have to be babied to handle the simplest of tasks. (Which is not always bad, not everyone can cook, but everyone should be able to do dishes!) Or in a really small kitchen where there just isn't space.
But the same is true if you are a guest, my friends have gotten pretty good at seeing what needs doing and will just do it! Helping with the dishes, setting the table, making cocktails, etc. Making themselves useful without adding to someone's cognitive load that is hosting people or making a meal. However it is very frustrating when a guest who is not familiar asks how they can help, they don't know where anything belongs, so they cannot effectively complete any tasks without being micromanaged, including dishes, because some things can't go in the dishwasher and they won't know what those are! The best things guest can do in these scenarios is usually to bring already made items, like drinks, or prepare them ahead of time, or only need widely available appliances to finish, like 10 minutes in an oven to brown a casserole.
It all depends on the people. Like if I have an overall plan for what I'm making, someone coming in and trying to fill in the blanks themselves to help might just frustrate me because it's either not in the plan or requires modifications to the plan.
Like with chopping, for some things the style doesn't matter but for others, it's important and I wouldn't be happy if someone chopped the carrots instead of shaving them or something like that.
Or for putting a pot of water on to boil, I like to do all prep first before the cooking because I found that the quality improves a lot if I can put my full attention on the timing rather than juggling finishing prep and cooking at the same time (not to mention things that need to be stirred to avoid burning and the like). Putting a pot on early will end up rushing me.
I don't get bent out of shape from any of this, but whether you should ask where to help or just jump in where you think it's needed depends on the person.
Edit: lol just noticed that you had a similar exchange with someone who posted a comment more along my mindset lower down in these same comments.
Definitely it's gonna vary by person, by a lot of it is about approach.
It's still always going to be better to ask someone if they want you to complete a specific task, rather than what you can do to help.
This also probably varies by culture as some people are not comfortable saying no to offers of help, even if they don't want it.
Everyone is different, and everyone has different experiences, so definitely be mindful of all of these things in how you approach this.
That being said, many American men in particular seem to be guilty of this lack of thought, thinking they are be useful by offering help but not realizing that managing them is its own task. Or worse, and and not offering help at all, and defending it by saying things like "well you never asked for help".
You make a good point about taking on the cognitive load when offering help. I would only add that care should be taken when offering to wash dishes. Partly because it could be perceived as a criticism of the dirty dishes piling up, and partly because some people are very particular about how they get washed or loaded into the dishwasher. So use your good judgement and experience with them to phrase the offer nicely.
Per the image... You have admitted that you don't ACTUALLY cook. But couples can reheat subscription box meals together.
"You did so good microwaving that pouch, babe!"
"And you were right there with the scissors to cut the bag open, babe! and only half spilled on the counter!"
"these really are the best rainbow trout sloppy joes I've ever had, chef."
"That's because we chefed them together, babe... Like professional chefs... y'know?"
Wife's coming up with good recipes but is way clumsier than me, so yeah pair cooking is totally a thing.
If people stay on the other side of the counter, they can heckle me and tell me all the worst thing in the universe. But don't come in my 2 square meters of cramped space where I work.
They don't need the plate that bad, people will cut the cheese on the wrapper and be okay with that.
I love cooking with my partner. They get to focus on fancy techniques and flavor tweaks while I get to spend time with them chopping vegetables or whatever. It’s delightful.
Eh, maybe I'm lucky but we enjoy cooking and enjoy cooking together. We know we can trust each other.
We got into a katsu phase and it was really pleasant to be cooking together - one person breading, the other frying. Love is frying together. 💞
I feel this one in my soul. I am not an expert cook, though I don't do too badly--but I do need to concentrate on the kitchen. People need to leave me the heck alone when I'm cooking or baking.
My wife and I love to cook together.
That guy is about to have his hand smashed with that rolling pin. I'll do it for her if she doesnt want to, but you know she does.
If you walk in my kitchen while I'm cooking I'll cut off your dangly bits.
Everyone who actually cooks wants free help, they just want to decide what the other person does, and for that person to otherwise stay out of their way.
Someone's willing to peel / chop for me? Great! They're willing to get an early start on cleaning so I don't have lots of dirty dishes, knives, bowls, and pans cluttering things up? Awesome. Sometimes just a clean pair of hands to open a jar while my hands are goopy is amazing. I'll even accept someone giving a quick stir to something on the stove so it doesn't burn if I'm busy with something else.
But, for it to work, they have to know what they're doing. They have to know what not to do. They can't get in my way, they can't take over something I'm doing, or offer unsolicited suggestions. And, if they take over something I was doing / would have done, they have to do a good job of it.
I work well with my sister. If she's cooking, I'll ask if she needs help, and only do the things that she wants help with, staying out of her way otherwise. But, I hate when my mom is around because she'll do things like snack on the ingredients I'm using, or, even worse, add her own ingredients to something I'm making.
This is not quite universal! My wife in particular does not like assigning people on how to help her, as that is additional cognitive load on how to make someone useful to you, she much prefers people either stay out of her way, or help by just looking with their eyes and see what needs to be done.
Do agree they need to know what they are doing too, having someone who doesn't know how to chop veggies the way you like them and just start doing is definitely no good, but after sometime cooking with your partner you should know what needs doing and how to do it.
I like having my husband sit at the counter while I cook, but he provides something to listen to. He does not help cook at all. I don't really want the guy with cerbral palsy to be dicing anything though. He does empty the dishwasher and fill it, as long as I've brought in the dishes from elsewhere in the house, he can't transport them that far.
If I am making something that requires a lot of steps or making multiple dishes, I don't mind a helper that actually helps and stays out of the way of what I'm doing while they do what they're doing.
Of course that also assumes I am in a kitchen with room. My apartment's kitchen wouldn't make a difference even if my helper was a clone of myself. Not enough room for a second person to not be in the way constantly.

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