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[–] 27 points 3 months ago
[–] 54 points 3 months ago (11 children)

My wife and I have both worked in a kitchen, when we are both in the kitchen it works really well, but there are discrete tasks and we don't hoverr over each other or any of that shit. And we call behind and turn pot handles in and put towels on hot handles and keep knife blades turned down. All the little things.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    You ever find yourself saying that shit in a store? Can't tell you how many times I almost barked behind into some old woman's ear on accident. I've never done it, but I've been close.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    I work in construction now and I still do it and its still a very useful habit.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I'm thinking of bailing on the industry. Full of fools full of themselves and half baked chefs. Hours suck, workload is sometimes stupid and you either work at a decent place with dicks and assholes or a shitty place with decent people. Or somewhere in between. No winning.

    I'll be honest though fuck construction dunno how you made the switch, good on you.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Last I checked, everywhere is looking for tradesmen. It pays better than a kitchen but the conditions can suck a lot worse. And its infested with some of the stupidest motherfuckers I have ever met. Some of the very smartest to. Pick your poison.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Been eyeballing jobs that offer to pay tuition. Maybe an apprenticeship as an electrician or something reliable

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  • There's a school near where I live called Williamson College of the Trades which offers three-year courses in Carpentry, Electrical, Landscape Management, Machine Tools, Masonry and Power Plant work. Cost is $140 per year (not a typo) since all students get scholarships to cover the normal tuition. I squandered my youth on a liberal arts education long ago, but if I were starting out today this is the place I would try to get into. Somehow, they still have to recruit to get enough people to fill their available positions.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    My brother is a chef with similar gripes about the industry. He finally found a job running the kitchen for a retirement community. Set salary, full benefits (including four weeks of vacation), and he's home by 8 o'clock every night. He's been there four or five years now, and he wouldn't dream of leaving.

    Might be something to look for?

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  • [–] 63 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    Only if they're teaching.

    Or, if you have a big enough kitchen.

    And, maybe two stoves.

    Two kitchens, that's what's needed. Two whole kitchens next to each other, then you can cook together.

    Don't fucking tell me how to chop onions, I've been chopping onions my whole life. I don't care what you saw on YouTube. And, yes, I just cracked an egg on the edge of the bowl, do you SEE any shell in the egg? No. Because I've been cracking eggs that way longer than you've been alive. Go grind sea salt, or something, leave me alone.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    In some parts of Asia nice homes have two kitchens. A show kitchen and a used kitchen. Sometimes the used kitchen is outdoors.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Rich people having extra shit they don't use is a global phenomenon

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Don't fucking tell me how to chop onions, I've been chopping onions my whole life. I don't care what you saw on YouTube. And, yes, I just cracked an egg on the edge of the bowl, do you SEE any shell in the egg? No. Because I've been cracking eggs that way longer than you've been alive. Go grind sea salt, or something, leave me alone.

    That's a toxic spouse. I'm guessing the criticism reaches beyond cooking technique.

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  • [–] -3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Crack your eggs on a flat surface, and they’ll split cleanly around the equator. Crack them on the edge of the bowl if you want to blast a hole in one spot and end up with shell in your eggs half of the time.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    That's how it works on paper, but in reality, 98% of the time the membrane holds the shell together, and there's no problem. The other two percent of the time, I just pick the eggshell out, easy-peasy. No one cracked their eggs this way until some TV cook showed it, and people who never cooked decided it was superior and different and good. People who've been cooking with eggs for decades don't bother with this, because it's a non-issue.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago

    There is a distinct difference in cooking as a couple activity and cooking as a chore.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Imagine not wanting someone cutting the vegetables and watching the pots for you

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    Having worked in a kitchen, cooking with others brings out the most toxic version of me.

    Why are you slicing carrots like its a salad? You've seen a bowl of gumbo, right? Do you need me to show you how to cut a carrot?

    The same is true of my family, "you said slice, what you actually wanted me to do is chop" still elicits a feeling of disgust.

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  • [–] 27 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    It works if you establish who’s the lead and who’s helping before you start.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    You do that by figuring out who is more enthusiastic about shouting "Yes Chef!"

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    I assure you, my current gf is like master chef and my notably “cute” dishes are demanded because she loves just helping. “Yes chef” is said frequently to a point where we’re just giggling, but i know it turns her on so I let her do it.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This is the real answer right here!

    Not just partners but really anyone it's easy if you establish who is the head chef and who is the sous-chef(s).

    I'm happy to cook with as many sous-chefs as we can cram into the kitchen. Heck I'll put someone on a grill outside if I get too many. An extra two sous-chefs? Sounds like we're about to have two extra side dishes. Maybe a pie. Now the dishes are washed before we're done. Now they're dried and put away! I can find more tasks! Floors swept, counters wiped, I can find tasks for a small contingent of sous-chefs! Mad with power.

    And same in reverse, there's something so hypnotic about just being the sous-chef. YES CHEF. Cut the veggies smaller YES CHEF. Just go with the flow. Ahhh

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    Yeah basically any relationship I’ve had it’s been like, “wanna cook?”

    “Sure, you got an idea?”

    “Yes”

    “K, you lead”

    If both partners are willing to take either role it’s fine.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago

    Depends on the cooking. One person peel veg and the other chopping it works perfectly well.

    2 people kneading the same bit of dough while one is stood behind is just dumb.

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  • [–] 36 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    Bullshit, I love it when my partner hangs around the kitchen while I cook. We get into all sorts of silly discussions or deep philosophical debates.

    I especially love when my child is in the kitchen because I have the chance to teach them new things, or they tell me about their day, or vent their frustrations, or tell me a cheesy joke ect.

    Only grumpy assholes wouldn't want other people in the kitchen and frankly I don't care what grumpy assholes want.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    I have a tiny "one-butt kitchen" and I would also be uncomfortable using a sharp knife with anyone crowded over me as close as in the picture. But I love(d) cooking with my kids even if we had to spill over into the rest of the apartment, and now when they visit I "sous-chef" by washing and prepping the vegetables ahead of time, making sure they start with all clean dishes and an empty dishwasher to put the used ones in, and making delighted noises about how much more beautiful their dumplings are than mine, that kind of thing. And later I rearrange the dishwasher to my liking/best efficiency, because it's only when you have all the dishes that you can really determine the best arrangement.

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  • Oh my God! One of my absolute fucking FAVORITE things my son does is he really wants to help me cook. It's absolutely fucking adorable. He just turned 6 so there's not a lot that he can manage on his own yet for actual on the stove cooking, but I let him stir certain things, help me pour certain ingredients, stuff like that and he's always so proud.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    My wife and I did "date night" ever other Thursday. One of our rules was that if we decided to stay in and cook, we had to do it together. I really liked those nights, but our kitchen was fairly good size. Like you said, it's a nice situation for just chatting. It's like being on a short road trip.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (8 children)

    A lot of people are just control freaks about their living space and they can't stand someone doing something differently than they'd do it. My mom was one of them for sure. She was also a shitty cook.

    I'm not a control freak and I find it really hard to be around people who are, and goddamn there are a lot of them out there.

    I'd just like to find someone who actually cooks. Everyone I date thinks cooking is gross and basically lives off those meal box services. I haven't met anyone who likes to cooks in over a decade.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    My mom was a control freak in the kitchen, and now I hate cooking. Every time I make anything more complex than a very simple pasta, I'm subconsciously growing more and more tense because I'm just waiting for someone to yell at me.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    I can relate. my mom was like it about cleaning.

    it's given me a aversion to very clean spaces, and a lot of comfort in spaces that are dirty and 'lived in', and when i go to someone's house and it looks like it's from a magazine photo and there isn't a spec of dust my skin crawls.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    My SO has the uncanny ability to always stand where I'm immediately about to go and is otherwise somehow always in the way when I'm cooking so they are banned from the space for the sake of our relationship and their safety.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    or you're just an impatient jerk?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (3 children)

    Lol not sure what patience has to do with not wanting to turn and spill boiling hot food on somebody

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (2 children)

    look before you turn and stop rushing to do stuff.

    My kitchen is tiny and I never have this problem, but I also know how to share space and I have worked in a kitchen with 20 other people before. It's easy if you're not a dick who thinks other people are 'in your way'.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (1 child)

    You essentially have no clue about our relationship or the dynamics so are making some frankly wild assumptions with little to go on. I'll make one last good faith attempt to get the point across.

    I too have worked in restaurant kitchens with no issue. I've shared the kitchen with many friends (my place and theirs) also with no issue. This is specifically just one person who has demonstrated it's better for everyone if they just steer clear. I love them to death but they have little self-awareness especially when holding a conversion and don't cook, so inadvertently put themselves or others in harm's way because they can't anticipate what might cause an issue. Think things like standing immediately behind someone without letting them know, opening drawers behind them (again without warning), standing in front of the sink as they go to drain a pot of pasta, bending down directly behind someone to get something out of the cabinet, etc. Just generally not making their presence known combined with an almost supernatural ability to be in the worst places at the worst times.

    Maybe a kitchen analogy would help: Imagine you're carrying a large full pot across the line and call out "hot behind" and as you are walking a server (who is on the line to have a look) suddenly turns and crouches down to grab something from a lower cooler right as you're about to pass them. This pot is heavy and has lots of inertia so you have a hard time stopping in time to prevent you or your coworker getting burned. Now imagine they do something similar almost every time you are making a critical or dangerous move; you're being a dick in this situation? You're impatient for all the close calls? Or will you wonder: they aren't even cooking so why are they on the line at all?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Really? I had great fun cooking with my girlfriend. Or cooking with kids. Or cooking a massive meal with a bunch of friends. This is a bad post.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I love cooking with a group of people for a just that group or an even larger group. My fav. neighborhood restaurant, I often sit at a table adjacent to the kitchen. ZOMG, it sure sounds like they are having a great time, laughing, singing, srsly.

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  • [–] 12 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    depends on the size of kitchen available.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    It can, but you better be cleanup or prep if I'm cooking.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    Well, except literally every professional chefs, of course.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    my gf's a chef and loves having me in the kitchen (or so she says) i stay at a station though to keep out of her way eg at breakfast I'm making espresso, cooking toast, heating something in the microwave for her etc she has the stove/sink/fridge/bench area

    95% of our meals are at home because she is particular about her food ( and she's good at it IMO)

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Ya! You gotta be conscious about the space you're using. If you're going in for cuddles when I'm working the stove.... However if you're in the wings helping out with the myriad of tasks required to get a meal plated? That's when you get the chefs kiss!

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (6 children)

    I cook and my girl does the dishes because I’m terrible at dish management and when I’m done there’s dishes everywhere. Our system works well for us. She gets good food and I don’t have to do dishes. Win win.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    How can people live without a dishwasher

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I’ve lived without a dishwasher multiple times in my adult life. We actually just sold our house that had a decent sized kitchen and moved into a small apartment on the other side of the country and now the mess is even more concentrated and there’s no dishwasher. So our system is even more of a necessity now lol

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Synergy! We do the same thing at our house, but I've gotten pretty good at minimizing the mess. One trick I use is serving everyone first, then using the same dish that held the cooked food as my own plate.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    It’s more of an issue of using a lot of dishes to make the food 😅 there’s barely any dishes left to eat with when I’m done! Exaggerating, but sometimes there actually isn’t, I’m adhd af in the kitchen, but at least the food turns out good lol.

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  • [–] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    Nah, cooking with my wife is great. And it's best when neither of us necessarily has to delegate tasks. Figuring out which tasks need to be done and and which order can sometimes be a huge cognitive load! That's why if you ask someone what can you do to help they might get mad, you've asked them to take on the mental load of how to make you useful.

    Instead a much better approach is too look at what they are doing and think for yourself what needs to be done! Uncut veggies that need to be chopped, ask if they want you to chop the veggies. Dishes piling up in the sink? Ask them if they want you to clean the dishes. Are they making something that needs boiling water, like pasta or potatoes? Go ahead and get a pot of water boiling. It's much better for someone helping to not just complete the task, but to identify it too.

    With my partner we often swap between different styles, if it's something she wants, she's in charge but I still try to find ways to help without her asking to do it. Other times the roles are reversed and she's helping me. For big events like Thanksgiving, we are both overwhelmed and will often know what needs to be done and just do it, no one's in charge, we are approaching this like a team.

    If your partner never wants you in the kitchen, it's probably because you're useless and have to be babied to handle the simplest of tasks. (Which is not always bad, not everyone can cook, but everyone should be able to do dishes!) Or in a really small kitchen where there just isn't space.

    But the same is true if you are a guest, my friends have gotten pretty good at seeing what needs doing and will just do it! Helping with the dishes, setting the table, making cocktails, etc. Making themselves useful without adding to someone's cognitive load that is hosting people or making a meal. However it is very frustrating when a guest who is not familiar asks how they can help, they don't know where anything belongs, so they cannot effectively complete any tasks without being micromanaged, including dishes, because some things can't go in the dishwasher and they won't know what those are! The best things guest can do in these scenarios is usually to bring already made items, like drinks, or prepare them ahead of time, or only need widely available appliances to finish, like 10 minutes in an oven to brown a casserole.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 child)

    It all depends on the people. Like if I have an overall plan for what I'm making, someone coming in and trying to fill in the blanks themselves to help might just frustrate me because it's either not in the plan or requires modifications to the plan.

    Like with chopping, for some things the style doesn't matter but for others, it's important and I wouldn't be happy if someone chopped the carrots instead of shaving them or something like that.

    Or for putting a pot of water on to boil, I like to do all prep first before the cooking because I found that the quality improves a lot if I can put my full attention on the timing rather than juggling finishing prep and cooking at the same time (not to mention things that need to be stirred to avoid burning and the like). Putting a pot on early will end up rushing me.

    I don't get bent out of shape from any of this, but whether you should ask where to help or just jump in where you think it's needed depends on the person.

    Edit: lol just noticed that you had a similar exchange with someone who posted a comment more along my mindset lower down in these same comments.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago*

    Definitely it's gonna vary by person, by a lot of it is about approach.

    It's still always going to be better to ask someone if they want you to complete a specific task, rather than what you can do to help.

    This also probably varies by culture as some people are not comfortable saying no to offers of help, even if they don't want it.

    Everyone is different, and everyone has different experiences, so definitely be mindful of all of these things in how you approach this.

    That being said, many American men in particular seem to be guilty of this lack of thought, thinking they are be useful by offering help but not realizing that managing them is its own task. Or worse, and and not offering help at all, and defending it by saying things like "well you never asked for help".

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    You make a good point about taking on the cognitive load when offering help. I would only add that care should be taken when offering to wash dishes. Partly because it could be perceived as a criticism of the dirty dishes piling up, and partly because some people are very particular about how they get washed or loaded into the dishwasher. So use your good judgement and experience with them to phrase the offer nicely.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    Per the image... You have admitted that you don't ACTUALLY cook. But couples can reheat subscription box meals together.

    "You did so good microwaving that pouch, babe!"

    "And you were right there with the scissors to cut the bag open, babe! and only half spilled on the counter!"

    "these really are the best rainbow trout sloppy joes I've ever had, chef."

    "That's because we chefed them together, babe... Like professional chefs... y'know?"

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Wife's coming up with good recipes but is way clumsier than me, so yeah pair cooking is totally a thing.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    If people stay on the other side of the counter, they can heckle me and tell me all the worst thing in the universe. But don't come in my 2 square meters of cramped space where I work.

    They don't need the plate that bad, people will cut the cheese on the wrapper and be okay with that.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    I love cooking with my partner. They get to focus on fancy techniques and flavor tweaks while I get to spend time with them chopping vegetables or whatever. It’s delightful.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Eh, maybe I'm lucky but we enjoy cooking and enjoy cooking together. We know we can trust each other.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    We got into a katsu phase and it was really pleasant to be cooking together - one person breading, the other frying. Love is frying together. 💞

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    I feel this one in my soul. I am not an expert cook, though I don't do too badly--but I do need to concentrate on the kitchen. People need to leave me the heck alone when I'm cooking or baking.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    My wife and I love to cook together.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago*

    That guy is about to have his hand smashed with that rolling pin. I'll do it for her if she doesnt want to, but you know she does.

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    Love is get the fuck out of my kitchen.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    If you walk in my kitchen while I'm cooking I'll cut off your dangly bits.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Everyone who actually cooks wants free help, they just want to decide what the other person does, and for that person to otherwise stay out of their way.

    Someone's willing to peel / chop for me? Great! They're willing to get an early start on cleaning so I don't have lots of dirty dishes, knives, bowls, and pans cluttering things up? Awesome. Sometimes just a clean pair of hands to open a jar while my hands are goopy is amazing. I'll even accept someone giving a quick stir to something on the stove so it doesn't burn if I'm busy with something else.

    But, for it to work, they have to know what they're doing. They have to know what not to do. They can't get in my way, they can't take over something I'm doing, or offer unsolicited suggestions. And, if they take over something I was doing / would have done, they have to do a good job of it.

    I work well with my sister. If she's cooking, I'll ask if she needs help, and only do the things that she wants help with, staying out of her way otherwise. But, I hate when my mom is around because she'll do things like snack on the ingredients I'm using, or, even worse, add her own ingredients to something I'm making.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This is not quite universal! My wife in particular does not like assigning people on how to help her, as that is additional cognitive load on how to make someone useful to you, she much prefers people either stay out of her way, or help by just looking with their eyes and see what needs to be done.

    Do agree they need to know what they are doing too, having someone who doesn't know how to chop veggies the way you like them and just start doing is definitely no good, but after sometime cooking with your partner you should know what needs doing and how to do it.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Is your wife nuerodivergent? I'm not seeing how communicating is a higher cognitive load than executing the task. It also sounds like you're describing coping skill for managing their behavior. Which is fine, of course but I'm not sure it's common behavior.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    I like having my husband sit at the counter while I cook, but he provides something to listen to. He does not help cook at all. I don't really want the guy with cerbral palsy to be dicing anything though. He does empty the dishwasher and fill it, as long as I've brought in the dishes from elsewhere in the house, he can't transport them that far.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    If I am making something that requires a lot of steps or making multiple dishes, I don't mind a helper that actually helps and stays out of the way of what I'm doing while they do what they're doing.

    Of course that also assumes I am in a kitchen with room. My apartment's kitchen wouldn't make a difference even if my helper was a clone of myself. Not enough room for a second person to not be in the way constantly.

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