The US House voted Tuesday to pass a measure to enact year-round Daylight Saving Time across the country, springing Congress forward into an issue that has long stumped lawmakers and spurred impassioned pleas by parents, farmers and others with sharply divergent views.

It will now head to the Senate for approval before going to the president for his signature — though its chances in the upper chamber remain unclear.

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[–] 40 points 3 months ago

A distraction it may be, but I'll take a win where I can get one. Idgaf which version of the clock we're going with, I just want it to be consistent

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  • [–] 33 points 3 months ago

    I don't care which one they lock in, as long as they just fucking pick one and stick to it. It's the changing that's the problem - we all have electric lights ffs.

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  • [–] 65 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago (13 children)

    It would be nice. I would love to not have to keep two sets of each tool type just because America can't admit Europe did something better. And not just a little better, like, it's embarrassing how difficult SAE is over metric.

    It's probably too late for me. But I dream of a world where my grandchildren only need one socket wrench set.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

    If you do enough stuff yourself you already have two sets of tools. And torx bits. And triple squares. And reverse Torx and triple square. And robertsons. And Allen bits.

    And extended versions of all of those. And short versions. And impact versions and the good ones and the garbage ones and sometimes extractor versions if you had a real bad day and went to Harbor Freight three times.

    But never a ten mill when you need one.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago

    Australian here.

    It's been a long time since I encountered a nut or bolt that was unambiguously imperial, but my 13mm socket probably gets more use than it should 😏

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  • [+] 3 points 3 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The worst is getting out in the field with your 5lb hammer only to find you only brought metric stakes, so you gotta go all the way back and get your 3kg hammer.

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  • [+] 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I just have two measuring tapes. With the dual tapes the markings are on the least convenient side of the tape half the time.

    I do rough measurements in SAE so I know what to get at the lumber store, then do the actual cutting measured in metric. Those measurements happen at different times at different accuracy, and do not benefit from being on the same tape measure.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    The US has been officially on the metric system since the Carter administration

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago* (6 children)

    But the bill is just gonna die in the Senate, so don't hold your breath

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    They'll fuck it up and pick the wrong time, and it will be dark at 4:30 PM for the rest of our lives.

    In 50 years, they'll try to switch to the other time, but Conservatives will fight it because they think they'll lose two hours, and they'll literally threaten a Civil War over two hours, then someone will try to explain that they'll actually GAIN two hours, and they'll say it's a Communist hoax with their two Socialist hours, just handing them out to people who don't deserve them, like the welfare queens just helping themselves to as many hours as the Demon-rats can steal from the billionaires who have more hours than everybody else combined.

    So they'll compromise, and go back to switching times twice a year to keep NOBODY happy, and America can go back to normal.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 months ago

    Watch Trump veto it because he didn't get his election rigging "SAVE" act passed.

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  • [–] 11 points 3 months ago

    How close are they to impeaching pedophiles in office?

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  • [–] 10 points 3 months ago

    I'm happy to get rid of the change, but once again they ignore scientists and health experts with the choice of daylight time.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Would be better if it was clear they did any research on the subject. Last time this came around it was clear, standard time was better for us. This now just feels like rich people will keep us poors on DST while they get the clock humans get a better night sleep with and still somehow take our money.

    I hate that I can believe something like this.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

    I mean, if you're self employed, it can already work that way. I never set up any meetings before noon, that way I wake with the sun. Sure it means that I'm starting my day at kinda random times as far as the clock is concerned, but my body likes that way better than setting an alarm to wake at the same clock time every day.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    This is what working second shift is like. Wake up whenever, go to bed whenever. It was nice. Well, that part was nice. Everything else about it sucked.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    I loved working second shift for that reason! I never had to set my alarm! And I'm a night owl anyway so going to sleep at 1:30 or 2:00 am was fine. The part that sucked was I was working while other people were off work and awake so I only saw them on weekends. But I'm also mostly a loner so that was actually fine too. :)

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Why couldn't they do permanent Standard Time? If history of permanent DST legislation prevails, this will be repealed within a year or two. Same as it will be in BC.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    I once found a page that would show you what permanent DST or Standard time would look like in your area, but cannot find it now. Anyone know a link to something like that?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I don't, but that seems like a pretty easy thing to calculate. timeanddate.com (or your local weather service, probably) will give you times for sunrise and sunset on any given day; just:

    • subtract an hour from the sunrise and sunset times on June 21 to find out the earliest sunrise and latest sunset to convert to permanent standard time, or
    • add an hour to the sunrise and sunset times on December 21 to find out the latest sunrise and earliest sunset to convert to permanent DST.

    Unless you're in the southern hemisphere, then flip those two.

    So if you're in New York:

    • On permanent DST, the sun rises around 8:15 AM and sets around 5:30 PM on the shortest day of the year. (Longest day would be the same as it is now)
    • On permanent standard time, the sun rises around 4:30 AM and sets around 7:30 PM on the longest day of the year. (Shortest day would be the same as it is now)

    Add an hour per time zone going west to figure out what the times for each time zone would be. Also, New York is pretty near the center of what the UTC-5 time zone would be if it were just a straight longitudinal band, so if you're near the eastern edge of your time zone it'll be about a half hour earlier than that, and if you're near the western edge of your time zone it'll be about a half hour later than that.

    Personally, that 4:30 summer sunrise sounds brutal. Almost as brutal as the 4:30 sunset that they currently have in the winter. But I dunno, I feel like I could adapt to anything given enough time.

    I'm originally from Indianapolis, which is in Eastern but practically on the border with Central, so the winter solstice would be 9:00 AM - 6:30 PM in permanent DST and the summer solstice would be 5:15 AM - 8:15 PM in permanent standard. But I'm in Auckland currently, so worldwide permanent DST would actually line me up pretty nicely with my friends back home, which could be cool.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    I don't know the page you're taking about, but I found this map years ago. It changed me from being a lifelong "make DST permanent" stan to stumping for permanent standard time.

    People on the westernmost sides of time zones would get absolutely hosed in the mornings under permanent DST.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    This makes no sense? I could care less that I get to see the sun on my way to sit at a desk at 7am.

    I want to have the sun after I'm off work to enjoy my life. DST is way better

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (5 children)

    Those lines need to be adjusted away from state borders. Those also cause problems.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Time zone lines tend to follow state borders.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Why is that. A problem? You have to have the line somewhere. It's better if it goes along an already existing imaginary line. If they didn't line up, you would need to remember sets of arbitrary lines instead of 1.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    My question exactly.

    Under ST in the winter it’s dark when I get up and go to work, and it’s dark when I come home. Under DT, it would be the same.

    In the summer, it’s sunny when I’m still trying to sleep in the morning and still sunny when I’m trying to sleep at night. Under ST it would be the same.

    The only difference would be in spring and fall, when the transition time would shift earlier or later.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    In Brazil we made it always standard time (the one good thing bolsonaro did in his life) though I personally would prefer always daylight savings time

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  • [–] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (8 children)

    I’m super into this. I’ve been dying for permanent DST for a long time and I really thought they were going to push Standard Time instead.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (7 children)

    Permanent DST is more popular as most are evening people

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Exactly, the significant majority of people hate the sun going down extra early in winter. The winter is so depressing with so much darkness, we especially need to maximize how much sunlight see in winter

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah but I like my evenings dark. Do you know how hard it is to get a 6 year old kid to agree that it’s bedtime when the sun’s still up? They’re not stupid, dad!

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  • [+] -6 points 3 months ago (3 children)

    Poor you! We need to structure the world to benefit the parents of young children!

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    How dare someone have an opinion on a topic informed by how it will personally impact them.

    They should just pick a stance based on vibes alone or just do what you want. That would be easier

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It personally impacts me bro. I have teenage kids they're grumpy with not enough sleep. We should make daylight savings 2 hours.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    And that would have been a very valid point to raise. It's a good point even, but just a blanket statement of judgement because someone has an opinion informed by their circumstances is unproductive

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago

    Daylight savings time is being fucking stupid and out of date.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Permanant DST was signed into law January 1974 and repealed October 1974. Everyone hated it, it went from 79% approval in December of 1973 to 46% in February of 1974.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    Would love this

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago

    It's gonna be fun to see how many software updates this requires. But if they stick with it, I guess it might make things easier.

    Sadly, it won't mean the problem goes away for software to handle since this would only be in the United States...

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    One of very few things that administration has done right

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    It was tried. They made DST permanent in Jan. 1974. It was repealed in Oct. 1974. Fastest I've ever heard of Congress fixing some shit it was so unpopular.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago*

    Yes, they should have stuck with standard time instead of DST. OTOH, the thing everyone complained about was their kids having to walk to and from school in the dark. Now no one walks to school any more, so that doesn't apply (yes believe it or not most kids used to walk or ride their bike to and from school back then, unless it was too far and they rode the bus).

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (12 children)

    Doesn’t the rest of the world observe standard time? Why would we be permanently out of step with the rest of the world?

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  • [–] 47 points 3 months ago (8 children)

    Actually, all "standard" time means is that the time is somewhat related to the sun being directly overhead at noon. I say "somewhat" because once you carve the world up into zones like that, the sun will never be directly overhead at noon except maybe in the middle of the zone.

    Did you know China has only one time zone? The entire huge country runs on Beijing time. The far west of the country sometimes doesn't see a sunrise until 10 AM.

    So, there is really nothing "standard" about Standard Time at all.

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  • [–] 13 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    I would like to see the world finally move to Swatch Internet Time and resolve all this silliness once and for all.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (5 children)

    Because it's a solution that works?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (4 children)

    Horses were a transport solution that worked.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago* (3 children)

    And the fossil fuel industry is a solution that is proving to cause a myriad of problems. What a world.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    You want to go back to horses?

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago

    As someone who works with timezones as a developer it doesnt really matter I don't think. Timezone are already kind of a mess of a concept and honestly I just want it tp stop changing, I don't really care which way.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    Bad move, this should be something done at the state level only. Some states benefit more from permanent DST while others benefit more from permanent ST.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    I read somewhere that the Senate wants it to be Standard instead of DST, which I agree would wind up being better for most locations (not all). So they'll probably fight over it and nothing will happen. We'll see. At this point I just want to stop having to change the damn clocks.

    I used to favor permanent DST because I'm not a morning person, but I realize most people aren't night-owls like me, and by now there's been a lot of evidence presented that it's healthier to be in sync with sunlight and more important to get good sleep, especially for kids. Of course a lot of this also depends on which side of your time zone you live on.

    Between the two positions, for a long time I favored permanent half-DST, which is setting clocks halfway between so the offset isn't that bad for health and both sides of the standard vs DST debate could live with it. There was even a bill proposed to do that, but I recently read an article listing a few drawbacks to being on the half-hour compared to most other countries--mostly that it would be "confusing" which isn't that strong of an argument IMO. I still think this would be a good solution if a bunch of other countries also did it. A few countries already are offset a half-hour from us and no one complains because they're not major economic forces.

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