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[–] 156 points 4 months ago (7 children)

When will people realize that Elon only has one trick: lie really baldly really publicly, pressure the shit out of a bunch of smart engineers until they get to their breaking point, and if it works you’re a “genius” — if it doesn’t, just throw it on the pile of other completely outlandish shit that you said that never mattered.

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  • [–] 94 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    You missed the critical middle step of pumping up market valuation so you can borrow against the hype.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Surely there is a dump step following the pump?

    Or is it pump, borrow, repeat?

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Borrowing against shares is the dump.

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  • [–] 105 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Full self driving by 2016!!!!

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    I ended up in a situation where I got picked up by a cyber truck of all things, and the current state of self driving is better than I expected, but I still don't trust it. It drove weirdly aggressively and lurchy, even doing frequent lane changes to get ahead, and while the car and people detection worked, the render on the screen was concerning because everything wiggles creepily and disappears and reappears.

    Driving it manually seems like a terrible idea as well. No line of sight visibility at all behind and rear sides, way too much blind spot in the front.

    10 years after promised completion and it only feels like starting the 'getting there' phase.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Watched a buddy's Tesla categorize my car + trailer as a car, car + trailer, and then a semi and back again every few seconds. Both cars were parked....

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The visualization bugginess depends on model confidence thesholds, just because it isn't rendered doesn't mean it isn't seen. I also wonder what aggression level it was set to.

    Honestly, it's not terrible these days for 90% of the driving, but it will absolutely kill you or someone else if you think for a moment it can drive completely unsupervised - that's the real danger imo.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    I didn't know it had aggresion levels but it was probably fairly high. I've been in some powerful EVs that were still smooth.

    The scary thing with the self driving is that it was stopping for people that I didn't notice and even the human driver had to look at the screen to see it was a person out of view, so even with supervision if it missed something you might not be able to see it.

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    10 years post claim entering a getting there phase is good.

    For plasma fusion it took like 40 years post promise to the getting there phase, as long as the getting there phase means private investors are willing to fund

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  • [–] 58 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Hey, Elon, you’re the world’s richest loser.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Soyyyyyyy..... un perdedor!!!!!!

    ... so why don't we kill him?

    Lyrically, of course.

    Like no really, him and all these fuckers have eggshells for egos... mock them relentlessly, gloriously, they will crack.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    That is what happened when he streamed Path of Exile, lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    True, lol... but we need like anthems, albums, we need to be constantly topping the charts with songs that just take piss out of the pedophile owner class.

    We need shit that pumps people up, we need catchy tunes you can't get out of your head.

    Like here, here's a song that's basically tearing apart a major concept that Elon relies on, that you can headbang to:

    Mars for the Rich

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  • [–] 49 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Elon needs all of his companies to stay in growth valuation mode. The moment people start pricing them like stable, mature companies (or worse) he’s kinda screwed.

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  • [–] 44 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Cultists do not like when you point out their fairy-deity is full of shit

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Most people don't like when their ego is threatened. They'll make up any excuse to protect their flimsy sense of self worth.

    It's easier to just go "I guess I was wrong" but most people are emotionally fucking cowards.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    It's easier to just go "I guess I was wrong" but most people are emotionally fucking cowards.

    It really seems like this is easier to me too. The older I get the more I realize that this is one of the most difficult things for a ton of people to do and I don't understand why. Do they genuinely think they are incapable of being wrong? I don't think there's anything special about me so why does this seem so hard for almost everyone else?

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago

    Elon Musk is the personification of a moron’s hallucination of a genius.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    All these 'geniuses' of the current age really make you wonder how many of the supposedly super intelligent innovators we learned about in school were just frauds taking credit for other people's achievements.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Elon Musk is the Edison of the current age.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    He's the same shameless marketeer, but Edison, while a "brute-force" guy rather than actually being insightful or visionary, actually did more than just steal the ideas of others

    He definitely stole plenty of the shit he's credited with, but not everything like Elmo has

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    They'll ride the self driving Teslas we got in 2014 to the Mars base built in 2022.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The moment he smashed the Cybertruck window should have been the point at which his grift fell over.

    He'd spent all that time talking up the Cybertruck, saying that it was damn near indestructable, that it was bulletproof. And to prove it he threw a huge ball bearing at the window.

    And it smashed.

    That should have been the point at which everyone said "Nah, this guy's a kook" and walked away. But nope. They all rode along on the meme and here we are.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago*

    Honestly, it’s extremely funny, because of how shocked he was that a giant steel ball damaged the “bullet proof glass”.

    Bullet proof glass doesn’t just… shrug off bullets, it cracks and breaks without shattering and the bullets embed in it rather than passing through. The glass on the demonstration could very well have been “bullet proof glass”. The fact that he thought that meant “will shrug off getting hit with a shot put” showed how surface level his understanding of things are.

    Like he pretends to understand the businesses he owns, like he’s some how involved in the design and conceptualization of products. But’s he’s just a business idiot claiming credit for the work his employees do, and making everything worse when he does get involved.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Given the way he's talked about these robots in the past, I'm fine with them not being ready yet.

    “If we build this robot army, do I have at least a strong influence over this robot army?” he told investors. “Not control, but a strong influence… I don’t feel comfortable building that robot army unless I have a strong influence.”

    https://futurism.com/robots-and-machines/elon-musk-remarks-robot-army

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Considering the resource-raping and the complete absence of Asimov's Laws, we're better off without.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    The entire point of the I, Robot anthology is that the three laws don’t work.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    They don’t work when you give robots lots of control. They are a very decent guard rail compared to having none at all

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They are a shit guard rail because they can never be formally specified. Again, read the stories.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    Modern day Edison.

    Edison wasn’t stupid, he could come up with good ideas. He was just better at making others do the work and come up with the ideas for him to take as his own.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    I love that he goes after Elon etc really hard. It’s hilarious.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago*

    Well. He's not complaining about paying Elon Musk via subscription.

    It makes sense, as this guy apparently has a business to promote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JerryRigEverything

    But still.

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  • The fact anyone believed this shit is evidence of shallow understandings of, like, everything. Of fucking everything. It's so stupid. Its so violently stupid.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Well, 2026 isn’t over yet.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    i remember when hyperbole was seen as just that and often dismissed as braggadocio worth not even its breath. nowadays we give it more credence than it deserves

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (11 children)

    Weird, I would have thought Elon was more of a Decepticon kinda guy.

    Even their names fit Elon better. Megatron. Starscream. Dirge.

    Not a fan of the guy btw, in fact I'm saying if you're the devil you shouldn't call your new demonic general The Archangel Gabriel, ya know?

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    Nah, it makes sense. Religions weren't invented to maintain power for the good guys. People carrying crosses saying they worked for the god of light and benevolence would then hang you by your feet and chop you in half. This is pretty spot on for an evil person.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    The Hammurabi Code, The Pharisees, The Spanish Inquisition, etc. (I'm sure my fellow lemmings could go on and on).

    All of civilization has been: 'jumping from one bullshit ghost story to the next to reinforce laws created by the rich'.

    Are you new?

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    the Pharisees hated Christ

    "do not murder" is a commandment

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Who cares how the Pharisees felt about Christ? They used religion to control people for the rich long before and after Christ. Then others did it in Christ's name. All religions are dumb control mechanisms for the weak willed.

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  • [–] -1 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    They are not

    you have no other sources than a few historical events

    and can I have a verse in the Old Testament used to "control the poor"?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago (2 children)

    you have no other sources than a few historical events

    So to clarify: you asked for sources. You received sources. You dismissed those sources and asked for more, even though you can't explain why they are not valid to you.

    Rejecting evidence is intellectual cowardice.

    can I have a verse in the Old Testament used to "control the poor"?

    All of it. Let's see: "Don't seek knowledge or you will be punished." "Be fruitful and multiply; kids are ammo in your quiver, not people." "In fact, it's fine to take slaves as long as the rules are followed."

    And it all hinges on: "Obey me or I'll make you suffer and it'll be all your fault." It is fear and guilt used to manipulate people too uneducated to think critically about what they are reading and recognize fiction.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago (1 child)
    1. verse?

    2. verse?

    3. Jesus Christ died on the cross for our sins. If God was as "evil" as you portray him to be, why would he bear unbearable torture for our sake?

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    Have you even read one chapter of the bible? Genesis 1:

    28 God blessed them. God said to them, “Be fruitful, multiply

    Psalm 127:

    3 Behold, children are a heritage of Yahweh. The fruit of the womb is his reward. 4 As arrows in the hand of a mighty man, so are the children of youth. 5 Happy is the man who has his quiver full of them.

    If God was as "evil" as you portray him to be, why would he bear unbearable torture for our sake?

    You're mixing up two things here.

    Jesus was crucified. A real man was murdered. That was not god, god is not real.

    The god described by the bible is 100% evil. He had all the power, chose to make us suffer, guilts us for it, and calls that "love".

    The idea that god sent himself to die to solve problems of his own making is a later addition that makes him seem weak and stupid. Nothing is necessary to an all-powerful being.

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