“Trying to protect children with suspicionless mass surveillance is like frantically mopping the floor while the faucet is still running. Blanket chat control is just as unacceptable as indiscriminately opening everyone’s physical mail. For five years, this failed system has served as a smokescreen to delay real action, all while overwhelming the police with false alarms. We need more child protection, not less—but we need effective protection, not the illusion of security.”

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[–] [S] 23 points 4 months ago

Alexander Hanff, survivor of child sexual abuse and privacy advocate, clarifies: “As a survivor I relied on confidential communications to tell my story and find justice for 28 schoolboys—myself included—resulting in the conviction of multiple offenders. We survivors need privacy, because without it we lose our voice. Chat Control was not created to protect children. It was about Big Tech companies like Meta or Google wanting access to our data for profiteering, and states attempting to expand mass surveillance. The EU Commission has wasted five years and millions of euros on algorithms that cannot protect children and were never meant to. This money should have been diverted to real policing, causal research, and support for survivors, millions of whom have never received any support at all.”

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    The EU really wants to know who is calling them incompetent assholes.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    This project looks interesting, as an alt platform attempting to add e2e security, with desktop and mobile: https://delta.chat/en/download

    It has a neat way of adding apps within the chat platform.

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    [–] 91 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    This is exactly how democracy is not working. EU just pushed it through. Despite multi rejections!

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  • [–] 38 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    So you just have to nag and nag and nag until they say "sigh, alright then..."?! WTF?!

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  • [–] 25 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I see 2 different, but related topics being mixed up in the comments a little.

    This is an extension of a measure which has been in place since 2021. This is not the new legislation that was proposed earlier this year and late last year.

    I do not believe this is a good thing at all! But we should all be clear what the discussion is.

    The first iteration of Chat Control, commonly dubbed "Chat Control 1.0", was introduced as a temporary measure in 2021. It was ultimately ended on 26 March 2026, when a vote to reject its extension passed by one vote. The next iteration of Chat Control, commonly dubbed "Chat Control 2.0", is still under discussion.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    Welcome to the Fourth Reich of Europe, citizen. You'd better like it here. Orelse.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    So.. what happens next? They start requiring backdoor in all chat apps (for those that do not already have one)? Is PGP now the only way? That would be extremely difficult since "normal" people just don't seem to care at all.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    PGP is not the only way. And applications that use PFS are preferred.

    The article mentions that WhatsApp is exempt. See also Signal, Wire, SimpleX, etc

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    And why would these apps be exempt if 90% of all communication goes through them?

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago*

    A symbolic exemption was adopted for encrypted communications—though in practice, service providers do not scan these anyway.

    Well I guess that's something at least.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I wish one day there’s news about EU that isn’t just shitty because I’m tired boss.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Surely it needs more in favor to pass? Ugh I need to reducate myself on this system

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  • [–] 42 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    This truly is bonkers.

    Although a majority of voting Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) actually opposed the regulation (314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions), the motion to reject it failed to secure the required absolute majority of 361 votes.

    More people is against it than in favor, but the number of people against it is not sufficient so it gets passed? How can that ever be possible?

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They used a procedural trick which only had to pass by a majority of those present to create a situation where it would need an absolute majority to fail in the next vote.

    This happened as many MEPs have already left for their summer break and were therefore absent and unable to vote. It appears that Parliament President Roberta Metsola engineered this, but I haven't looked in to it in detail.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Every MEP who participated in the subversion of democracy in favor of totalitarianism and mass surveillance, is an enemy of the people and should be treated as such.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Although a majority of voting Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) actually opposed the regulation (314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions), the motion to reject it failed to secure the required absolute majority of 361 votes

    I'm a bit OOTL. How the hell does that even work?

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    From this article:

    The procedure now chosen gives the proponents of Chat Control a significant tactical advantage. Since the law is in its second reading, an absolute majority of 361 votes of all parliament members is required for amendments or a renewed rejection on Thursday. In contrast, a simple majority of the MEPs present is sufficient for the other side. As many parliamentarians have historically already departed by the last day before the summer break, the re-enactment of the regulation is considered almost unavoidable.

    Had the MEPs rejected the urgency, the draft would have gone to the responsible Committee on Civil Liberties, Justice and Home Affairs, where a legally sound compromise could have been worked out after the summer break.

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    Everyone loses out.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Huh, does the article say that cloud storage is already scanned without suspicion?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Correct. All the big cloud drive providers are scanning everything you upload.

    I remember there was an article about onedrive even cracking password protected zip files.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago

    Let's build a better internet from I2P with 0 user identifications.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    In case those in the EU thought they were safe from fascism.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    As LoRan and HaLow devices get popular and cheaper I wonder if kids will solve this problem with home grown solutions.

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    [–] 19 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    reminder that Zensursula von der leyen doesnt want us reading her text messsges

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfizergate?wprov=sfla1

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago

    Maybe climate change turns out to be the good thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    ok. here is the US we got a fucked up president. honestly i looked into what ot would take to move in case things got really really bad. but both canada and uk (maybe france) passed Meta's kid ID law. now the EU is passing this. our government may be disfinction due to insane infighting but this stuff doesnt get passed. now some states have but that can be overriden. and its a lot easier to relocate states.

    i do want people to know that i am complaining because i wanted europe to be the goos guys. i was on a big europe software and services mission but this stuff is crazy.

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    [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    What's the point of even having a vote if it goes through with less than half in favour, after already failing twice?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago

    Today, the European Parliament allowed the suspicionless mass scanning of private communications (“Chat Control 1.0”) to pass, a measure it had rejected twice in March. Although a majority of voting Members of the European Parliament (MEPs) actually opposed the regulation (314 against, 276 in favor, 17 abstentions), the motion to reject it failed to secure the required absolute majority of 361 votes. As a result, mass scanning is now permitted again until 2028. ...

    “Today’s vote on the interim regulation was a setback, but the political battle over the permanent ‘Chat Control 2.0’ is just getting started. The resistance we saw in Parliament today was so strong that finding a majority for permanent, suspicionless mass scanning in future negotiations is a complete pipe dream.”

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    [–] 4 points 4 months ago

    Damn. How can they keep pushing the same legislation until it passes?

    Also, what's next for privacy focused people? It says there's an exemption for E2E encryption, but isn't Meta conveniently getting rid of that for WhatsApp soon?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    So the Commission, members of which are appointed rather than elected, agree to send awful legislation to the elected parliament.

    Then it's assumed approved until rejected by an absolute majority, allowing for ZERO abstentions in an organization spanning 27 countries spread across most of a continent?

    Not broken at all, nuh-uh! 🤦🏻🤬

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