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[–] 55 points 4 months ago (21 children)

I drive my car to work so I can afford a car so I can drive to work so I can afford a car

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    That's nearly a line in Metric - Handshake

    Buy this car to drive to work, drive to work to pay for this car.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    There’s also some great movies about American poverty, and it feels like there’s always a scene where car trouble of some kind tips their life into an immediate downward spiral. They need it to get to work to sustain everything else, making one traffic stop the moment of despair.

    The one I really appreciated, as heart wrenching as it was, is called Straw.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    The worst part is that scenario you mention is a real thing that can happen and does happen to a lot of people in the US. You should see some of the cars in my deep red no-vehicle-inspection state. I once witnessed a car running on four donut spares, one headlight, and one taillight. And probably no insurance. The alternative is possibly losing a job and becoming homeless.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    This is why rednecks are always shadetree mechanics of some stripe or another. Me too. I grew up poor, so I got real good at working on cars.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    While that’s an excellent life skill, in Straw, the “car trouble” amounted to being harassed by a racist cop and having her license suspended.

    In many cases the penalty is genuinely the driver’s fault, but it’s easy to happen when they’re always driving and always stressed.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    I believe 20% of household spending in the US was for cars. So people could seriously work a day less every week, if they got rid of their car.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (11 children)

    Really I wish I could live without one. Ive decided on harm reduction instead.

    I learned something weird about cars and money and such just this last week. I got tired of working on a truck just to spend more money dumping fuel in it, and I took what I considered the nuclear option. I traded the truck in. On a used 2nd generation Nissan Leaf.

    The car wasn't expensive. I could easily afford it. But as I was working on the required financial gymnastics to fit a car payment in my budget, I saw that the truck has been using $200 of gas every month. And the auto insurance dropped by about $100 each month. The car payment is $200. It costs something like 70 cents to charge it after my commute.

    The silly car isn't cheap. It's free. And its so quiet and smooth, no wonder people get evangelical about their EV's.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    The silly car isn't cheap. It's free

    If you don't count maintenance and insurance, parking, etc. Add those and it's once again expensive.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    I don't understand your argument.

    The truck I traded in had those same costs

    And it got 15 mpg.

    And the tires cost more.

    And the insurance was twice as expensive.

    And it needed oil changes

    And it needed transmission fluid changes.

    Sure its more expensive than owning no car at all. Owning no car at all just isn't an option for a lot of people in the US. So instead of spending money on tires/brakes/insurance/fuel/oil/fluids/tires for an F150, I'm paying for tires/insurance for a dorky little EV. And I have an extra ~$400 in my budget.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The silly car isn't cheap. It's free

    I don't understand your argument.

    The car is not free. The car is still expensive. Even if it is a necessary expense. Even if it's cheaper than the truck.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Have you looked at a depreciation curve? For newish vehicles, the biggest "expense" is depreciation. Its higher for luxury cars and EVs than trucks.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, but I didn't buy a new ev...

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Correct, so you dodged the 25-35% cost of driving out of the lot, but unless its so old the resale value is like 5-10% of the og cost, depreciation is still going to be your greatest loss, likely 10-20% per year. Thats a few thousand dollars.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    That assumes I'm going to sell it for more than scrap value. When I'm done with it, it should be worthless. Its not an investment, it's a tool, I'm not worried about the resale value on it any more than I'm worried about the resale value of my socket set.

    Edit: You did catch that it's a used EV, right? I bought it for something like 1/4 it's original sale price. This isnt a two year old Honda Accord.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    This reminds me of when my parents made me get a job to pay for auto insurance at 16, though I didn't have a car or plan to get one right away. Their rates would go way up unless I had a separate plan, so I had to get one. And then I needed to get a car to get to a job, so I had to spend everything I had saved up as a kid to get a barely functioning car and insure it. I will say that it was sadly a good intro into life as soon to be adult in America.

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  • [–] 49 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Yes but at least Trump is saving me money with the Freedom Fuel Network™

    proceeds to pay >$100 to fill up the emotional support truck

    /S massive giant /s since there are idiots who really think this, even after the Iran war erupted

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    emotional support truck

    I'm going to start calling them this now. It's perfect. Thank you. I usually call them Compensators or "Ferd F-Teen Thousands"

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    it's wild to me that americans don't use propane as a car fuel

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    We tried it pretty well back in the 1970s. It was not uncommon to see LP powered conversions on the road. People even experimented with wood gas systems. The problem with LP, at least where I lived, was those engines didn't start well in cold weather. And the second issue was regulations required fueling stations to have someone(s) trained and dedicated to doing those refills. It was deemed not safe to let the common man, (you know morons), do that. That added to the cost. And finally, with an LP tank in your car, you could be driving around with a possible bomb or at least a BLVE under your ass. Which is not safe for those around you.

    Sometimes to day you will still see LP powered delivery vans rolling down the road. So it hasn't totally gone away.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    if liquid lpg is injected, not gas then it can start on lpg only no problem. this kind of thing appeared later so maybe it was not available at that time, and there are cars that use lpg as only fuel. most of cars just carry extra container for lpg and leave gasoline tank as is, and it works as backup

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    Could have sworn I remembered a video of a sedan, maybe in Russia, that had allegedly been converted to run on something like propane and the tanks were stored in the trunk. Sure this was more affordable than regular vehicle fuel, but when it got rear-ended… it exploded!

    YouTube isn’t full of these videos by any means so maybe it’s safer than I thought?

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    it's very common in turkey italy mexico and a couple other countries that sell lpg (propane-butane mix) at lower prices than gasoline, nothing explodes these tanks need to be certified (varies by country) and gasoline is already flammable so nbd

    in a city where i live most of taxis are hybrids modified to run on lpg so it has to be both safe and durable

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    Propane-butane, interesting!

    Oh good

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    its a mix that varies by season because in winter higher pressure at the same temperature is needed, and in summer the opposite. and also in winter gasoline has a little butane dissolved, because it's cheaper and has high octane number, and makes engine startup easier. its a bit complicated but it works

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Ah!

    Are you familiar with the way California has winter and summer blends? I think it’s a slightly different principle, focused on being environmentally friendly in the summer when it shouldn’t be too hard for engines to start.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    every country has these seasonal changes (except those near equator) both for gasoline diesel and lpg and this is before we get into renewable components

    gasoline and lpg are changed for the same reason, it is to keep vapor pressure at the same temperature lower in summer and higher in winter. too low and it's hard to start, too high and volatile components bubble out = gasoline degrades and makes smog in the city. diesel is more complicated because it gels out at lower temperatures but how exactly this happens depending on several things, and mitigations are different

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  • [–] 45 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Some of those Americans are washing their gas station sandwiches down with gas station wine too.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    As a german: Are those 200mph trains in a room with me?

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Pendolino is an Italian family of high-speed tilting trains (and non-tilting) used in Italy, Spain, Germany, Poland, Portugal, Slovenia, Finland, the Czech Republic, Slovakia (Czech railways are operating), the UK, the US, Switzerland, China, and Greece.

    they can go up to 250km/h

    according to wikipedia even the americans have a few! thought with their infrastructure i doubt they get used much

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    "can"

    In my experience in both Portugal and the UK is that they never do.

    Only train I know of in the UK that actually goes that fast in practice is the Eurostar service (that goes through the Channel Tunnel) and that's not a pendolino. A number of long distance trains services in the UK are done by pendolino trains, but the rail track is not good enough for them to go at 250km/h.

    In Portugal the Alfa train that goes between Lisbon and Porto and which is a pendolino train does up to 220km/h, but the average speed between both cities is a lot less than that (around 180km/h, if I remember it correctly). No other train there goes even that fast.

    Only time I ever went that fast (faster, even) in a train in Europe was with the Thalys (basically the Belgian TGV) from Brussels to Paris and back and that's not a pendolino train.

    You see, whilst that tech is indeed capable of a top speed of 250km/h, actual stretches of rail line capable of safely supporting it are pretty rare.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago

    some of us live 5 min from the beach

    but who has real time when working 5 jobs

    beach hobo looks better every year

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    I live in Germany currently and am from the US.

    I love train travel. Even the delays people always rag on DB is really not that bad. It could be better yes, but not having to drive everywhere is so nice.

    However I do often miss the small conviences of a car. Going to the store and traveling in bad weather were much easier, and yes I'm aware you can have a car here too I just won't be getting one.

    Although I must admit I do miss a good road trip too. Where the journey is part of the trip. It's much easier to find something spontaneously while driving and stop to enjoy it.

    Overall though not having to drive and being able to relax makes train travel the best

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    Even the delays people always rag on DB is really not that bad

    No, it is. Go to the UK or Spain and try their trains there. Miles better. Delays of maybe a few minutes on average.

    It spills over too. People avoid getting the Eurostar to Germany because although the UK-France connection is solid, anything after that is just a big fat question mark.

    Hell even getting a train to the airport in Germany comes with a huge time risk. You just don't get that stress-inducing level of planning uncertainty in other developed countries with train systems as you do with the DB

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Can't you still rent a car for a trip?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, but it's much harder to justify the cost with the significantly cheaper train travel.

    Plus driving here feels different. My guess is it's the population density.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    You can always just don't plan and go from train to train and travel around europe, ofc this will not leave you easy access to smaller towns and villages, maybe if you also take your bike with you

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Even the delays people always rag on DB is really not that bad. It could be better yes, but not having to drive everywhere is so nice.

    Lmao.
    Try going on a inter-metro train (usually designated as MEX) and have it not be delayed by >10min during day time.
    My best record was 1h30min.
    Meanwhile the DB navigator app says nothing about delays or cancelled trains and marks the route as done.
    It's can't be that hard to get the GPS location of a train, can it?

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Conspiracy theory: Germany is surrounded by countries doing quite well with their trains. Germany has the strongest car industry in Europe. Thus Deutsche bahn executives must be payed off by the German car industry to keep the trains run bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    No it is the politicians. Germany used to have a reliable train system. There are a number of issues though. First of all Germany uses trains for freight in a significant way. Then since the 90s they gave some control over regional trains to the states, who then increased the number of trains, because that was popular. They also added high speed trains to the system, which is great but when they are run alongside slower regional and freight trains, they need to overtake them, which lowers a railways capacity.

    That all combines to Germany having way too many trains on its tracks, which creates traffic jams. The solution is pretty obviously to build more tracks and at best more high speed lines to add capacity. However that is blocked by the car lobby.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I won't disagree with you on the DB app. Absolute dumpster fire. If they could accurately display their delays it would be so much better. They have so many trains running at major hubs people would find the next best train if they were honest and reported accurately. Nothing like watching an alternative train leave and then the app adds 10 more minutes to your delay.

    Don't even get me started on trying to find a bus with DB navigator. Would it kill them to put the fucking stieg info on there? I've missed so many bused because of this.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Wouldnt kill them to put a direction triangle for viewing direction in the damn map like on google maps.
    Fucking google maps is more accurate and better to navigate the routes than DB navigator. How??? They have literally all the data for the trains but google maps manages to make a better product ;-;

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Just a side note here: MEX trains are a product for Baden-Württemberg (often designed with the bwegt brand in mind), which is not used anywhere else as far as I'm aware. They replaced the older RB trains that have become a rarer sight in BW.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Are you in Bavaria?

    In Northern Germany I heard that you need a car and no one takes trains because they're always late.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    BW, but I've traveled Berlin to Munich to Stuttgart with stops in between via regional rail with a D-ticket. So I'm most unfamiliar with the Northwestern parts of the country.

    Trains were mostly on time, if late they seemed to average 10 minutes late, and a few times there were some very late trains. But between the major hubs it was usually possible to just take a different train. I feel like people don't give Germany enough credit for the sheer number of trains it has. You're running trains on lines every hour that other European countries would only have a train every 2 or 3 hours.

    Although I'll admit the first place I lived was a small village and my daily commute relied on one train that was nearly 15 minutes late every day. I learned to adjust for it.

    No train delay has ever compared to getting stuck in Atlanta traffic for 4 hours. It should on average take 1 hour to drive through Atlanta. I've yet to have a train delayed by 3 hrs

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    I like four-bangers, I like short shifters, I like si's, subarus, lancers, pop pop pop on the downshift, stomp click click vrooom.

    Do I get stuck in traffic sometimes? Ehh, once a week maybe.

    Would I give it all up for the betterment of humanity as a whole, and hang my childhood on the memory rack forever?

    ...yeah. The irony of that, though is that being American and living in the rural south gotta throw the glowies a bone every now and then It's barely even considerable, at all. There is no bus route. There is no train. There's no carpool, I work third with one other person who lives on the other side of the city.

    So, if I have to drive, and my preferance is 32mpg little cars, and for now... I have to, and I enjoy it,...

    then I'm gonna.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Would I give it all up for the betterment of humanity as a whole, and hang my childhood on the memory rack forever? ...yeah.

    Unsarcastically, the world needs more people like you.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    There's a few on this board who would disagree, lmao, but thanks. Man's gotta live in the world he's given, not stamp his foot and demand it bend for him. I wasn't the first here, I won't be the last.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Making superior options for long distance travel, commuting, and random short-distance trips doesn't mean cars go away, it means the 98% of people who aren't into cars get off the road for the rest of us.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    I, unfortunately, have to commute 35 miles one way, usually on my Honda motorcycle. I wish we had any semblence of mass transit at all. But we do not.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I am not brave enough to ride

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Riding is best learned with the appropriate amount of respect, a motorcycle safety foundation certified riding course, and lots and lots and lots of practice.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Or you can just hop on a bike for the first time in SEA, where even children and grandmas ride, and its treated with the same cultural reverence as a minivan.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly, traffic in most India and SEA makes me really really not want to get anything that can fall over.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago*

    India is tough, but everyone goes slow in Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, Indonesia so most accidents are relatively minor. Lotta people texting with phone in hand while riding. They're cracking down on drunk driving at least.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I see the fun in it but man do I not trust other vehicles on the road even in my own car half the time

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  • I don't blame you. I hope I didn't sound like I was minimizing your concerns. Motorcycles are absolutely more inherently dangerous, especially for the rider, than cars. Not only are motorcycles harder to see, but sometimes just being around them seems to [occasionally] make other drivers act dumber for some reason. You have no cushion around you like you would with a car. You have to put a lot more effort into being visible, thinking ahead, and anticipating danger zones. If you're in an accident, you don't have the luxury of four walls, a seatbelt, and airbags.

    Then there's the "physics" which are very different from the physics of a four wheeled vehicle. You not only have to understand those, you also have to basically beat your own instincts out of yourself so you automatically respond correctly when you do inevitabely find yourself in an emergency situation.

    Statistically, the majority of motorcycle wrecks occur at speeds under 30 mph (~48 kph). Usually because someone didn't see the rider and/or the rider either wasn't aware of or didn't know how to apply the appropriate technique. As a rider, you will be much safer with proper training and safety gear. But you will never be as safe as in a passenger vehicle. I don't blame people who look at motorcycles and go "Nope. Hard pass." at all.

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  • [–] 32 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Having taken the bus to work for two years now, I have to say.. The complete and utter lack of responsibility has been liberating. Like, sure.. There's still some stigma there where I feel kind of poor or something standing in my uniform at the bus stop while cars whiz past me, but I only spend $70 CAD /mo on my commute, and it I want, I can travel anywhere in the city using that same pass. That's pretty reasonable.

    Plus, as someone actively engaged in nature-based spirituality, it feels kind of nice knowing that I'm traveling a bit more responsibly than I would have with our vehicle.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I feel you friend, I'm the same way. I've told so many people that and they are so carbrained that they refuse to understand anything beyond time to get there. Yes my bus takes about 10-20% longer, and they immediately augh at me for being a fool, such a fooly fool.

    But my ride is mine. I read a book, I think about other things, my time is mine. It's not worried if the asshole will cut me off, the heightened blood pressure, the anger, the worried if I'm in an okay parking spot. None of that exists. I'll gladly take 45 minutes on the bus over 30 minutes of stressful driving.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    god, I wish. bus routes here are generally 3x longer at minimum

    last route I checked against a 22min drive was 90min by bus

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Where I live, and for the places I want to go, typical travel times are:

    • car: 15 minutes
    • bike: 25 minutes
    • walk: 1.5 hours
    • transit: 45 minutes

    Or:

    • car: 20 minutes
    • bike: 35 minutes
    • walk: 2 hours
    • transit: 1 hour

    And, that's if it's a good time of day for transit. If I'm coming back home near 11pm the transit option can be essentially the same as walking. If I have the option to leave at 11:15 so I can arrive 5 minutes before the bus instead of leaving at 11:00 and waiting 20 minutes for the bus, and the bus is on time, and the bus I'm supposed to connect to is on time, then the bus option can be noticeably faster than walking. But, if the first bus is running late (which happens all the time) it can mean missing the next connection, and walking is actually faster than taking the bus, even if it's a walk of more than an hour.

    So, needless to say, I bike whenever the weather permits. But, unfortunately, winter is awful here, the bike lanes and trails aren't plowed in the winter, so biking for roughly half the year isn't a real option.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    I would love to have this opportunity because I fucking hate maintenance on my car. As soon as my car senses my bank account reaching a certain threshold it decides that the starter should die the next weekend.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago

    Mine is only 15-20 minutes. But recently leadership gave an employee at a different office an award for something else. The guy had to give an impromptu speech about it. He mentioned the usual stuff but then commented on how his commute was an extra hour compared to his previous job, but “so worth it”. I wanted to reach through the screen.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Drive a tank and simply drive over the Honda Accord blocking you 🤷‍♂️

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