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PlayStation will no longer be offering games on disc (blog.playstation.com)
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[–] 128 points 4 months ago (11 children)

They are gonna remove games in future like they did with the movies

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  • [–] [S] 72 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    They already have lol.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    Licensed titles are different. Unless they’ve done that for non-licensed titles.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Kindle literally removed 1984 from people's devices

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    That was a case where the seller literally didn’t have the rights to the book. If you search for the title today you’ll find a version that is listed as the Authorized Orwell Edition.

    Not the same as what I was referring to. Video games based on licensed IPs, often get taken down from digital game stores because the publisher’s license has ended. What you described with 1984 is someone who shouldn’t be selling the media, having sold it. Sure, it sucks if the title disappeared from your device but maybe that was the only legal resolution?

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  • [–] 27 points 4 months ago

    The proper legal resolution would be refunding the customer and then settle it between Amazon and the author that didn't have the rights to sell what they sold. If I buy some food at the grocery store and there's a recall due to for example contamination, I can go back to the store and get a refund. I can even go to any store selling the same item without an invoice and get a refund (for their list price I think). This is at least the deal in Denmark. This should be the same if something was sold with a missing license or improper license (if it is sold as a product but the license the seller has expires and is not renewed)

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago*

    Conveying something to someone in perpetuity (i.e. "selling" it to them) when you don't have the right to do so is fraud. Just because Amazon or whoever's right to continue offering the thing ended doesn't mean their customers' property rights somehow end with it.

    It's exactly as absurd as a car dealer stealing back all the cars they previously sold just because they ended their agreement with the manufacturer.

    There is absolutely no sane world in which stealing your customers' property could ever be the "only legal resolution!"

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Sometimes the license for the music in games expires and developers/publishers just remove it from the games.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    That, by itself, is absolutely outrageous and absurd. The game developer's failure to license the music appropriately is between them and the music copyright holder; nothing gives them the right to steal the content back from the third parties they conveyed it to in perpetuity.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Agreed, licensing for anything like that in game should be required to be permanent. Only exception I can possibly think of is live service games where the content cycles out of availability.

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    • [–] 83 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I will be buying no more PlayStations then.

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    • [–] 40 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I will no longer be offering money to receive playstation games. 🤷‍♂️

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    • [–] 59 points 4 months ago (17 children)

    If buying is not owning, piracy is not stealing

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  • [–] -5 points 4 months ago (16 children)

    This is such a great quote.

    But if you read the fine print, you are not buying these games, you are entering into a subscription to them. Paying a one-time fee to subscribe to the games indefinitely. That's why it feels like buying.

    That's how they getcha.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (15 children)

    So it’s almost like buying is not owning?

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Almost, but not exactly.

    And look, I'm not saying its defensible, I'm just saying that they technically trick us into subscribing, and thus we can't technically say we're buying these games. So, GOG ❤️

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (13 children)

    The fact that it's legal to have a purchase flow that looks like you're buying things without the seller being legally obliged to have a disclaimer in big fat letters that says something like "THIS IS NOT A PURCHASE, IT'S A LICENSING AGREEMENT. LICENSING AGREEMENTS CAN BE REVOKED AT ANY TIME AND YOU WILL LOSE ACCESS TO THIS MEDIA YOU ARE LICENSING" is the actual problem.

    IMHO, Corruption amongst Lawmakers and Regulators is the actual problem.

    People should be avoiding like the plague any stores whose media they can't actually download and keep in an open DRM-free format in their own devices, but they don't because they're not aware of it as the whole thing is one big bloody mess of expert legal domain and the fraud of misportraying a sale to be one things whilst it is a different thing being totally legal when it comes to digital media.

    Can't blame people for not understanding this and thus not navigating it in an informed way, but I sure can blame Politicians and Regulators for not doing their jobs which is to make sure that sales are fair and the consumer can make an informed choice when evaluating a potential a purchase.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    I mean... They ask you to agree to the Steam subscriber agreement for each purchase. Pretty sure Epic has a similar disclaimer on each purchase as well.

    People just don't read. 🤷‍♂️ But yeah, it should be like a TikTok format video for all the inattentive people I guess. More people deserve to be aware of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (11 children)

    Long document full of legal language than can only be truly comprehended by those with Legal Training isn't at all the same as BIG FAT TEXT INDICATING IN A SIMPLE WAY THAT THIS IS NOT A PURCHASE.

    Absolutely, in the absence of actual Pro-Consumer Regulatory Obligations, the whole "Agreement" is a valid way for sellers of digital media such as Steam to legally cover their asses and not actually saying to prospective buyers the true nature of what they're buying.

    It is, however, not a means to help a purchaser make an informed purchase, rather it's a way for Steam and other such stores to, in the current legal and regulatory environment, legally get away with doing the very opposite and obfuscate the true nature of what the purchaser is purchasing.

    Think about it this way: if the intention of Steam was to be honest and make sure purchasers were making informed purchases, then why not inform purchasers upfront in the product page in a simple way that what they would be buying was a REVOCABLE LICENSE rather than ownership of a PRODUCT, and even explain the difference, rather than hide it in a long document that requires Law training to fully understand?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    why not inform purchasers upfront in the product page in a simple way that what they would be buying was a REVOCABLE LICENSE

    But yeah, I definitely agree with you in general. You have perfectly valid points.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (9 children)

    That is not informing the potential buyer in a simple way, that's hiding the information in a different page, one which is a long text made up of legalese which one need Legal Training to fully understand.

    You're just making my point.

    You know what would be a simple, obvious, honest way of in that page of telling the purchaser that they're buying a license?

    • To the left of the discount and the price put the text "BUY A LICENSE FOR:"

    "Strangely" Steam chooses not do any such thing or similar and instead chooses to "inform" buyers with a link to a different page which is a wall of legal text.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (8 children)

    You're just making my point.

    I'm not really arguing against your point either though. I'm just saying it's there. But I agree it can and should be clearer. I'm agreeing with you. 😉

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (7 children)

    I'm just saying it's there.

    nobody said otherwise. It's pointless to be arguing that point. It's like saying, google can monopolize the smartphone market because they have allowed that themselves in the terms of service, and people clearly agreed that and more

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (6 children)

    🤷‍♂️

    Agree to disagree that it's pointless. You agree to the service or don't use the service. Nobody is forcing your hand at buying video games.

    But it should be clearer for the dumb dumbs, definitely.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    You agree to the service or don't use the service.

    if it were so simple. it can be done with pure entertainment services, but nowhere else.

    But it should be clearer for the dumb dumbs, definitely.

    Congratulations, you just called everyone dumb dumb who simply just has so little time and energy after work that they literally can't read the terms and follow the updates to all the terms, or else they wouldn't get to use the services.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (4 children)

    I haven't even read it, but I still understand it because it says subscriber agreement.

    🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    "subscriber agreement" makes no sense when you press a "buy" button and you pay once, not continuously. going by that, it just makes sense that a subscriber agreement is not in effect, because there is no subscription, or you would be paying for a continued subscription at regular intervals

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children)

    I understood it so it made "sense" to me.

    It never says "buy" anywhere on any button.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Congratulations, that is you. you are unlike most other people. and it is not because everyone other than you is dumb dumb.

    It never says "buy" anywhere on any button.

    true. it says "add to cart", as if adding a non-consumable physical item, like a boxed DVD, to a shopping cart. then "continue to payment" and "estimated total price".

    steam is the least offender. other places do have buy buttons where buying does not result in owning.

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    • [–] 58 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Honestly, if I have to go digital, my money is going to Valve

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago* (10 children)

    Better to Gog, atleast you own what you buy

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Stop spreading this lie.

    https://support.gog.com/hc/en-us/articles/212632089-GOG-User-Agreement?product=gog

    2.1 We give you and other GOG users the personal right (known legally as a 'license') to use GOG services and to download, access and/or stream (depending on the content) and use GOG content. This license is for your personal use. We can stop or suspend this license in some situations, which are explained later on.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    This refers to downloading, after you donwload the DRM Free Game from Gog there is no license or online check forever, the game is just yours.

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  • [+] -7 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    You can also do that on Steam, that doesn't make it any less piracy.

    Not that there is anything wrong with that, but let's stop pretending that GOG is somehow better than Steam.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    Nobody is saying you cannot do on Steam, the big difference is that you can do that on 100% of Gog games, on Steam only on a very small percentage.

    And there are other noticeable difference, on Steam you have to go through the file and backup them, on Gog you get the drm free installer for the last version of the game and any previous version that you want.

    Is clear to me that on this regard Gog is much better than Steam, would be crazy to say otherwise.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Actually, FYI, you can do that for a large percentage of Steam games, maybe even most, if you use the Goldberg Emulator that replaces the steamapi DLL.

    Steam DRM is one of the easiest to bypass around, and I like to think that's very much a purposeful choice.

    However, the entire thing is designed for it not to be easy to do for somebody with the technical know-how of the average gamer, plus it's not reliably possible and there's no way to know upfront if it will work or not when making a purchasing decision on a game in Steam.

    Meanwhile "No DRM and with downloadable Offline Installers" is literally the Unique Value Proposition of GOG as a games store - access to download offline installers is there in the games page after purchase and that installer is guaranteed to work forever and ever if you still have the hardware and OS version supported by the game.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Yeah there are ways of course, but if we insert in the discourse unofficial tool and methods to remove DRM whats the point of the discussion?

    What's even the point of complaining about denuvo if we think like this? There are methods to remove that too. Any type of DRM is bad for consumer and should not be justified, doesn't really matter how hard is to bypass.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    I'm just correcting that incorrect statement of yours that:

    Nobody is saying you cannot do on Steam, the big difference is that you can do that on 100% of Gog games, on Steam only on a very small percentage. (emphasys mine)

    What the previous poster described is in fact possible with much more than "a very small percentage".

    Mind you, I agree with you on what you just wrote in this last post of yours and in fact made the exact same point in response to the previous poster.

    It's just that "very small percentage" part that I disagree - if you're technically proficient you can "hack" your way around Steam's closed system for most games since it's not really closed tight.

    Then again a total impossibility of installing and running most Steam games independently of Steam if one has the right technical knowledge is not really the problem with Steam. The problem with Steam is threefold:

    • It's designed so that only people with a certain level of knowledge can actually do that, those being a minority of Steam users.
    • Even such "hacked" access is unreliable - maybe it will work easily, maybe it will be hard, maybe it won't work at all.
    • There is no way to, before buying a game in Steam, know if that's one of those games which can be installed and run independently of Steam in that way or not, so one cannot make an informed purchasing decision on a game being possible to install and run without Steam or not.

    The whole "it's not totally impossible" thing is just a trick that the previous poster and other such Steam fanboys try to pull when confronted with people pointing out that GOG is open and Steam is not: they misleadingly equate "the dependency of games on a central system can usually be hacked around in Steam" like to like with "GOG's is a purposefully open system that sells games guaranteed to not dependent on a central system" which is something very different in terms of intention of that feature being there, how well informed a potential buyer is of it before a purchase, the ease of use of it and how guaranteed it is for that to be the case. That's deeply deceitful, not even an apples and oranges comparison but more an apples and ghosts one.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    Not reliably as in Steam there is no contractual limitation on games having their own phone-home DRM plus some games are tightly integrated with Steam features (which Steam incentivizes) and don't work well offline, plus you need to known were the installers are cached as you can't just download them to a location of your choice and how to use stuff like the Goldberg Emulator otherwise only games which have ZERO integration with Steam will fully install and run offline.

    In GOG, access to download the offline installers is right there in the product page in your library and contractually the games can't have any DRM as "No DRM" is GOG's unique value proposition as a games store.

    Steam doesn't make it too hard to go around the phone-home DRM they put in place (making it better than just about all other phone-home DRM out there) but that's not at all the same as "here are the installers for you to use whenever you want online or offline and they're guaranteed to have no DRM".

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    • [–] 28 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Sony I already didn't intend to buy the next game console, you don't have to keep trying to push me away.

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    • [–] 28 points 4 months ago

    If they could be trusted to treat digital copies as actual ownership, this wouldn't be such a big deal.

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    [–] 21 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

    My main problem with this is I can’t sell or trade a digital game after I’m done with it. This needs to be felt delt with legally.

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    • [–] 19 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    At this rate why sell hardware to people anymore? Might as well rip the bandaid and make it a cloud-gaming device.

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    • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    So. They have chosen death.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    The majority of people do not care.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Then the majority of people will get shafted. Nothing new under the sun, I guess.

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    • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    The concept that not everyone has big internet or even good enough might be super strange for these C-level people.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think they care about those markets (even though they could make a lot of money out of them)

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago*

    So is that market the last $1 billion still buying physical? A graph was passed around showing sales are down from an $11 billion peak in 2009 nearly 20 years ago.

    I wonder how much of that last billion is Switch. I assume physical sales are higher there. But I might be way off.

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    • [–] 17 points 4 months ago

    Cool. If thats the case I will no longer be offering Playstation my money for games.

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    [–] 14 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    Am not surprised given how large games today can be. You can have a disk to launch the game when you first get it, but chances are the Playstation will still have to "update" it with the full resources..

    I don't have a playstation, but FFS, I can't even get the full Halo: Master Chief Collection onto my gaming PC - I just don't have the drive space. Some game packages are huge today.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago* (12 children)

    It's this or go back to multi disc installs. Modern discs have 100GB capacity so Halo MCC would be on two. The largest games, like the modern Call of Duty amalgamation-launcher-thing and ARK, would push over 3 discs. I for one wouldn't mind -- it at least keeps the fantasy of owning game media alive, just a little bit -- and I wish updates and patches weren't so damn mandatory.

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  • [–] 17 points 4 months ago* (4 children)

    The disc doesn't have to have the full data on it..in fact most don't nowadays and they require downloading the additional data from the store...so there shouldn't be any issue here in terms of storage... essentially what a Switch 2 game key card is.

    It's for a physical license and entitlement of ownership

    This is Sony wrestling away the last bits physical ownership they can take away to force the middleman out and make used games history. This is going to result in higher prices and significantly fewer sales

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (1 child)

    But then you don’t fully own it when the server is taken down. Doesn’t sound like the solution people in this thread want.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    So that's a console game setup, yes?

    I use an older PC so everything is backed up on a storage drive but currently right now I'm stuck with a 500 GB SSD to run the games I'm actively playing. It's nowhere near enough space for what I want to do. Ugh. Am waiting to see when I can get my mitts on a 4TB WD Gold drive (I have two on my MacPro systems) and slap that into the PC for the storage and then get a similar sized SSD (or an NVME drive in an adapter) to use.

    I think when I get that sorted I'm also going to switch up to running Bazzite for the games and bail on the Win 10 Pro..

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago* (3 children)

    Personally I've got a mix - I have most Call of Duty games on Xbox, buying on the same platform as the ones I had in childhood, but have largely dropped the console for my PC running EndeavourOS. My biggest game is a bit of a cheat - Clone Hero - 550GB aha!

    Good luck with the upgrade! I have a 4TB HDD, a WD Blue from 2017, and am hoping to upgrade to an NVME SSD before the drive dies of old age. looks at the component market Before I do.

    I recommend Seagate Ironwolf Pro or any CMR/HAMR storage for the best balance of capacity, price and lifespan.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Ack! No one has the 4TB Ironwolf Pro drives!

    This is bullshit.

    F'ckin' datacenter pricks.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 child)

    Yeah I feel you. It's hurting all of us, seeing parts at over double the price they're worth or simply out of stock. I heard that after taking all the DDR5 RAM they went after HDDs.

    These are my notes on components I was looking at, dated

    Motherboard

    ASRock Phantom Gaming X870E Nova WiFi (1.3x base)

    • Base £250
    • £320 in 02/2026

    CPU

    AMD Ryzen Zen 6 10700X3D?

    AMD Ryzen 7 9700X (1.1x base)

    • Base £250
    • £280 in 03/2026

    RAM

    Corsair Vengeance / LPX - DDR5, 6800MT/s, CL32, 2x32GB (4.6x base)

    • Base £230 / £3.60/GB
    • £290 in 10/2025
    • £1,050 in 03/2026
    • £480 used
    Depressing compromise RAM

    Corsair Vengeance DDR5, 5600MT/s, CL40, 2x16GB

    • £270 used

    Note: RAM in current build was £170 for 2x16GB in Feb 2017, equivalent to £230 in Jan 2026

    Games SSD

    WD Black SN850X 8TB (2.4x base)

    • Base £450
    • £700 in 01/2026
    • £1,060 in 03/2026

    OR Samsung 9100 Pro 8TB

    OS & Program SSD

    Samsung 990 Pro 4TB (1.7x base)

    • Base £260
    • £315 in 01/2026
    • £440 in 03/2026

    Fans

    Noctua 140mm x 8

    • Base £264
    • £264 in 02/2026

    Case

    NZXT H6 Flow (1.1x base)

    • Base £80
    • £90 in 02/2026

    PSU

    Corsair HX1200i Platinum (2025) (1.2x base)

    • Base £210
    • £245 in 03/2026
    • Purchased for £200 new

    GPU (1.3x base)

    Sapphire Radeon RX 7900 XT 20GB (1.3x base)

    • Base £700
    • £900 in 03/2026
    • Purchased for £520 used

    Hypothetical:

    High Capacity HDD

    Seagate Ironwolf Pro 20TB, 7200RPM, CMR (1.3x base)

    • Base £480
    • £510 in 02/2026
    • ST20000NT001

    Seagate Ironwolf Pro 24TB

    Xbox Expansion SSD

    • Seagate 2TB
    • £200 in 02/2026 (for standard 2TB Seagate NVME)
    • Purchased for £267 new

    Notes

    base = ~Sep/Oct 2025, just before hell
    RAM eBay Sellers ~ 2x base

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    This is very close to my exact PC build. I bought in December of 2024 because I was sure Trump with fuck everything up with his tariffs. While that ended up being true, AI bullshit made it far worse.

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    • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

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    So don't buy a fucking Playstation.

    This isn't that hard to sort out.

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    • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    At least the digital-only playstations will be really cheap... Right?

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    • [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    Play station will no longer be offering games- Yup still no games

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    [–] 11 points 4 months ago

    Stop being suckered into the system that has no respect for you or the money they steal from you.

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    [–] 9 points 4 months ago*

    Do not worry, Sony is not at all known for taking away from people digital media which they keep in their servers for those people

    /s (just in case)

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    [–] 5 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Buy GameStop everyone! /s

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    • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    I’d feel more strongly about this if I’d actually bought a game on a physical disc anytime in the last 3 years.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    They're often cheaper on disc. Random sales here and there nearly always undercut the PSN price.

    The real reason I've not bought many this gen was PS Plus. There's a lot of games I'd have been vaguely interested in picking up on a decent sale, only they've never been on one, and then went on PS Plus so now aren't worth buying at all.

    Realistically the loss of physical discs means we need far more robust digital rights. The right to trade games to other accounts. The right to continue playing them if the store closes, loading games and licence keys from USB etc. That last one is going to need some thought to prevent abuse, but I think it's essential if we're going to live in a digital future. On PC that last one could be done by transferring licenses to another store maybe.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah, but why not? I enjoy having access to the game within the same 10 minutes I buy it...

    Now downloading, that's a different story.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    When was the last time you bought a game on some physical storage and did not have to download etc. things anyway?

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