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[–] 284 points 4 months ago (21 children)

It's like corporations don't know how to do anything but enshittify anymore

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  • [–] 160 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    It's the ultimate push to turn everything into the perfect Capitalist (not market-oriented) business solution: Getting paid for nothing

    If your goal is to accumulate capital, and there are not outside forces regulating your worst impulses, you ultimately will create a class of legal-protected thieves, since the absolutely best and most risk free way to accumulate capital is to be given it in exchange for quite literally nothing.

    Gambling is about as close to the platonic ideal as you can, but conquest by military force of political capture is also a very, viable route. Use the law to force people to buy your nothing and be protected for it, rather than being lynched when you steal someone's products.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Mandated insurance that isn't a crown corporation beholden to ratepayers is a perfect example. If you have mandated insurance for something, and that private insurance has a shareholder requirement to see growth every quarter, and the same amount of things are being insured, only one thing can happen:

    Rates go up with denials

    Payouts go down

    Eventually you're paying for insurance you know is worthless but it's mandated by law.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago

    there's so many assholes getting paid for nothing nowadays I don't feel like lifting a damn finger any more and I've been a hard worker all my life, I'm sure I'm not alone. A general strike can't come fast enough these fuckers need a punch in the gut

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    I agree with you, but then isn't it strange that AI does a whole lot of something instead of nothing? Like, the high amount of effort they put into making AI a big thing runs counter to the laziness of getting paid to do nothing.

    Though I guess they ARE getting paid doing nothing, with how many data centers are getting cancelled.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/economy/nearly-half-of-us-data-centers-planned-for-2026-canceled-or-delayed-and-it-s-expected-to-get-worse/ar-AA20sl2J

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    Not when you realize that the "something" they're charging you for is:
    a) bastardized cargo culted knockoff of "something" so insubstantial that it's very nearly "something-shaped nothing"
    b) the "something" is made of stuff that isn't even theirs.

    Not only is it giving you a bamboo and thatch sculpture of an airplane when you ask for an airplane; it's made of STOLEN bamboo and STOLEN thatch.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I hope you don't misunderstand me by my saying "something" to imply it's anything substantial, significant, or even good. I'm very anti-AI in all aspects of our lives, just so you know where I'm coming from.

    Yes, the theft of intellectual property and art to train AI models is in keeping with their laziness, and yes, the models don't improve our lives in any way. But they can't exactly steal the electricity needed to power data centers, nor can they steal the silicon required to manufacture all the CPU's, GPU's, SSD's, and RAM they require. All those things are enormous capex and opex, and that's what I mean by "something."

    That's a lot of work they're doing to push AI, and the only plan I can think of to recoup those costs is to expect taxpayers to foot the bill: they want municipalities to pay for the increase in electricity costs, cover the pollution and devastation their DC's generate, all without creating jobs and opportunities in the region (because why would they pay labor a fair share, yuck). And the finale, when all those investments fail to generate any profit they want a government bailout to keep from going belly up.

    I just don't think any of that is worth the effort you know what I mean?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    oh, allow me to clarify--!

    I did not mean to sound as though I had been disagreeing with you ^.^; my comment was more intended to have a 'yes-and' kind of vibe~

    but I really do like all that you had to say here and I still agree!

    While they're truly not stealing the electricity, what I would hope to imply is that they are nevertheless acquiring it via nefarious means--in that many of these data centers are building gas combustion generators to supplement their power usage in violation of environmental regulations, workplace safety standards, and generally all the laws that say "you can't do that without proper documentation and licensing" etc.

    So yeah--the "stolen thatch and stolen bamboo" isn't literally stolen (like you said!) but rather just ill-gotten.

    Also I have indeed noticed the way that there's so much money being thrown around, especially the funds they've gotten from "investors" which are really just debt. They're going into massive debt to pay contractors and vendors... and that cap-ex and op-ex? sometimes I wonder if that's the real motive. Just a big stinkin' money laundering racket to bilk people out of their savings (anyone with a managed retirement investment fund that happens to do business with these jerks) and squirrel it away on "other companies" who are "working for" them.

    They AREN'T worth the effort. It's the emperor's new clothes all over again. The only thing they're really actually TRYING to do, I hypothesize, is just keep everyone distracted so they can do exactly what you said they would: make themselves 'too big to fail' and then ride off into the sunset when the shoddy facade they propped up comes crashing down, leaving the public sector to foot the bill...

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    But it does provide nothing. Whatever AI gives is a hallucination, that’s practically nothing since it’s not information you can rely on and you have to verify it anyway.

    Think about it this way, if you get connected to an AI chatbot instead of a real person, does it feel like the company is giving you their time? Or does it feel like they are giving you nothing?

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Think about it this way, if you get connected to an AI chatbot instead of a real person, does it feel like the company is giving you their time? Or does it feel like they are giving you nothing?

    Compared to insufferable automated phone systems, which have existed for decades and employ exactly no one, they are a vast improvement.

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  • [–] 58 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    any company born after 1993 can’t make good products… all they know is exploitation, fire their workers, enshittify, be pink capitalist, eat hot cash & lie

    (yes i know sony was founded before 1993 thank you)

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    So was Enron? I'm not sure why you chose 1993, companies have been shitty across all of time and space.

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  • [–] 19 points 4 months ago

    Ever since fucking Trump came to power, he basically defanged the agencies that were supposed to curb corporate abuses and enforce laws and regulations, and allowed corporations to do a lot more anything they want to make more profit.

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  • [–] 78 points 4 months ago (14 children)

    Don't forget that they've halted PC ports for their games, including shitcanning nearly-complete work on Ghost of Yōtei.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (13 children)

    They'll probably keep releasing for the PS5 for years into the PS6's lifespan, so as long as that happens I'll get their games if they look good, but once they shift over to PS6 completely, I'm done. I already have the hardware, much cheaper to keep using it than to get something new.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    PS4 is my last PlayStation. Can't even recall the last time I powered it up on purpose.

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  • [–] 15 points 4 months ago (11 children)

    Good call. If you didn't get a PS5 at launch price, it certainly won't ever be worth getting one, or any future PS console.

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  • [–] 11 points 4 months ago* (6 children)

    Honestly, I regret wasting my money on the PS4.

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You might be able to jailbreak it! I have a collection of consoles that I got only to tinker with. I keep up to date with the PS5/PS4 through MODDED WARFARE on Youtube. Might give you something to make it useful for you, even if it is just to run Linux on it. :P

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Out of curiosity, why did you get one?

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    There were several PS4-exclusive games coming out that I was really looking forward to,and I was expecting many more; furthermore, I thought it might be handy to have something with built-in optical media support. Most of those original titles were re-released for PC, my future hopes never really materialized, and I never used the optical drive except to insert a disc for DRM purposes.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Honestly even if you got it launch price, it wasn't worth it. Mine's collected dust since launch

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Depends, it's been worth it for me as it's more powerful than my PC and was much cheaper than building a similar power one would have been at the time. But if you already have a powerful PC, yeah, definitely not worth it.

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  • [–] 77 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (7 children)
  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    So is Microsoft who owns Minecraft who definitely presents private servers as dangerous (which for children may very well be true).

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Having the possibility to setup a server allowed me to setup one for my sons and I. I’d rather have that then them going online…

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    You would think that's what every parent would prefer....

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Both because it’s more safe and secure. Plus I have very fond memories of LAN parties and without private servers and local multiplayer kids won’t be able to experience that :(

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Don't worry, they'll still be able to drink a bunch of cough syrup and think they're really hanging out chatting with random people on forums and Pink Floyd and Abe Lincoln, and then get genuinely lost in a game for what seems like eternity but can only ever be vaguely recalled later.

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    So are bicycles and kitchen knives. Ffs

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  • [–] 10 points 4 months ago*

    That was kind of my point?

    That just because it's "dangerous" for children doesn't justify banning it wholesale. Sorry I wasn't more clear.

    Yet Microsoft allows people access to host a private server while also putting up scary warnings for kids telling them to stick to the "safe" realms servers or whatever (are they even still called Realms? fuck if I know). On the one hand, it's good they haven't removed it entirely, on the other hand, it seems like that may be their eventual long-term goal with how they treat the private server ecosystem.

    I also think Discord and Roblox contributed to people not knowing what the fuck "server" actually means anymore.

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  • [–] 66 points 4 months ago

    definitely end of an era.
    I'm not buying a console without physical media.

    Sony can kill the second hand market if they want, but that was the last thing that differentiated them from Steam. Good bye Playstation, i'll remember you fondly.

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  • [–] 123 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Its like they saw how much Xbox has been sucking and thought "hold on, instead of building on this market lead, I bet we could beat Xbox in enshittifying!"

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  • [–] 84 points 4 months ago

    Ever since the PS3 and Xbox 360, it's like the console wars have just been about them trading whose turn it was for the next PR disaster. Racing to the top was too expensive so they race to the bottom instead.

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago

    It helps when you get that their goals and ours are not really the same. They want to earn more money, and don't need to provide a perfect service to achieve that. They just need to be (slightly) less shitty than Xbox.

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  • [–] 46 points 4 months ago* (11 children)

    End of an era for just about everything. Streaming is all enshitified. The job market is shit. Democracy is falling apart. Decades of progress being undone. It's just the way it will be until people get sick of all this shit and start doing things differently and move on. All the great old companies are dead. Either turned to zombie brands or run by zombies. I remember how excited I was to buy my first Sony Trinitron, my first walkman, my Sony component stereo, first PlayStation.

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  • [–] 24 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

    At some point Sony bought a Movie Studio in the US and a few years afterwards the company leadership started coming from their Media division instead of their Engineering division.

    This was in the early 00s.

    That was when Sony started enshittifying, with things like locking down their consumer devices (not just to block copying but also to do things like segment markets via region locking) and at one point they even shipped Music CDs with a PC Rootkit (the infamous "Sony Rootkit" scandal).

    IMHO, Sony was maybe one of the first large companies to start enshittifying.

    I've actually been boycotting Sony since then, so roughly for 2 decades now.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Technofascists running/ruining the world

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    Capitalism contains the seeds of its own destruction. Enshittification is the inevitable result of shareholders demanding endless growth at all costs.

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  • [–] -4 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    I could just as well point to dumb people giving them their money as the reason. At the end it is more complicated than such a simplistic reductions.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Not really, no.

    Infinite growth is impossible on a finite planet.

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  • [–] 88 points 4 months ago* (9 children)

    Don't forget they also paid $3.6 Billion for Bungie just to shut down their most popular game and put all their hope in their new extraction shooter that's been struggling. No new games in dev or even green lit. Also they just laid off a bunch of people.

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  • [–] 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    This one is more on the Bungie side of things. Bungie got a few lifelines and STILL fumbled.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago

    Imagine if Bungie never "vaulted" (read: deleted) any part of Destiny 2 and we were still able to play the original campaign it shipped with? More people would still be playing Destiny 2 and you'd get plenty more new players without them having to use a guide or YouTube lore videos to get caught up on the story.

    Instead of mArathon they'd probably be making a Destiny 3

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago

    Oh yeah don't get me started on Bungie. The are a shell of their former selves. When they split from Activison and it all came out that the mircotransactions was all Bungie's idea that was my first WTF moment with these guys. They let us believe it was the Corp overlords ruining our game but they did it themselves. Then they did everything they could do to make themselves look profitable for Sony's acquisition. Just horrible decision after horrible decision.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Yeah Bungie management has been atrocious since at least the first Halo. Possibly from their beginning. It's honestly a miracle they've managed to release so many decently sized hits despite being mismanaged to hell and back for each and every single one.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago

    What really sucks is that Marathon is actually pretty fun.

    They just completely fumbled the marketing and launch, the UI needs to be cleaned up, and it doesn't feel worth it at $40. IDC if it's a AAA developer, it's still a pretty small game content wise even if it is fun to play.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (2 children)

    Destiny got what it deserved. I can't believe it lasted as long as it did. I noped after they started charging $40 for a couple maps and a raid labeled as "expansions". And that was destiny 1. The game was an unbelievable ripoff.

    Can't believe people still stuck with it even after they locked down the legacy content. It's crazy how much it takes to get people to stop buying enshittified products.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I agree I don't blame Sony at all. Also I hate myself for it but for me no FPS I've played comes close to the fluid gunplay in Destiny and Destiny 2. That is where Bungie always shined for me above everyone else. The rebooted Doom games are a close 2nd. and there are a few indie titles like Turbo Overkill that get close as well. Everything else just doesn't match up when I get that FPS itch.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    Oh I know, the gunplay in destiny really was incredible. And the music and atmosphere was top notch, even though the size of the game and story didn't live up to the prelaunch hype.

    It was hard to walk away but I couldn't justify overpaying for dlc that should've been $10, maybe $15 at most.

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    [–] 38 points 4 months ago (12 children)

    Time to double down on retro gaming and buying second hand. Industry wants to burn I say let it.

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  • [–] 13 points 4 months ago (8 children)

    Plenty of old, cheap games and consoles to pick up second hand. Don't need PlayStation's slop.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    The carts, discs, and hardware will unfortunately eventually stop working, but fortunately most of them can also be emulated on PC really well, sometimes better looking than on original hardware.

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  • [–] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Disc systems are mostly built like shit especially from the early 2000s but ROM based cart systems if well taken care of will run for a long long time.

    Have my OG N64, Dreamcast and GameGear all run perfectly fine. Well my GG has a dead spider in the screen but it still runs.

    PlayStation 1,2, Saturns , the first 2 Xbox’s might be a different issue all together.

    But to me this is connected to the growing eshitification of the industry

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    eventually but that will likely be long after most of us are dead. old consoles and carts are built like a brick house and most of them are repairable even games that have batteries. Just look at the N64 for example. that thing is like the Toyata truck of consoles.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    Could be. Video game consoles are a young medium, so hard to say if the old consoles will still be going in 30 years or so.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I've found that the real problem is having a television to plug them in to. Still got my old NES and SNES from when I was a kid. But no modern TV has the RF input to connect them to, they're all digital only. Emulation is much easier.

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    that's what i hate the most about this. "retro gaming and second hand" works now because everything was physical back then, and could be preserved. what will the people of the future have of us? nothing but memories of what will then be a digital graveyard. most of it unpreserved, even through piracy, because consoles are getting harder and harder to hack and emulate and companies are getting more and more litigious.

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  • [–] 35 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    It warms my heart to see that EVERY comment on Sony's blog post about it is negative. Hope the decision ends up biting Sony in the ass, but even if not, at least people weren't silent about it.

    EDIT: and they're being yelled at everywhere else on the internet that people can post as well. Good.

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  • [–] 34 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    So, this means mandatory proprietary hardware just to play the four or five true permanent exclusives that will be on the PS6 throughout its entire lifetime, given that everything else will eventually come to PC, and you don't actually own any of your digital content, meaning that they can revoke your access to your purchases without notice at any point if they choose to do so.

    People will still buy it though, that's the saddest part.

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  • [–] 9 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    They've already said they've stopped porting to PC

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Actually, the 2026 strategy and business environment report from Sony simply removed the line "Will continue its efforts to deploy its first-party titles to multiple platforms such as PC" from their priorities list, but did not outright state that they won't port games to PC anymore, as many journalists misinterpreted, the report simply states that it isn't a priority anymore due to mitigated revenue. The main concern within the report seems to be that near simultaneous releases on PC are effectively cannibalizing PS5 hardware sales, so you might still expect PC releases but further down the line compared to the current 1-2 years window, maybe previous generation games released on PC, not current generation.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago*

    For now, yes. But these companies change their strategies all the fucking time. As soon as they see their "only on Playstation" strategy is not giving them the expected return, I am sure they're gonna backflip, again.

    Microsoft and Sony (and pretty much any other big corporation in the game business) are not reliable in the slightest - the only difference between them right now is the amount of power they have.

    I find it both amusing and shocking that we still have 'fanboys' up to this day, when these companies themselves can't even maintain a solid long term strategy. All they care about is making maximum profit at the cost of literally everything else, so their 'promises' hold no weight at all.

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  • [–] 31 points 4 months ago

    Yea the era of giving the "big 3" any of my money

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I’m not one of those people who pretends they will play a physical disc game for the rest of their life

    I do however like physical for two reasons. Firstly, the price, how tf can you justify charging more when you are cutting out all of the middlemen and listing on your own online store. Secondly, resale. I can buy a game, play it and resell.

    If the tradeoff on going digital was that games were 50% cheaper, then I’d be happy. I wouldn’t have to hoard games and I’d have the convenience of digital.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago

    I don't pay $70 for a game I can't even sell after using it.

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  • [–] 30 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, that’s the end of PlayStation for me. Hopefully someone else will come out with something decent.

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