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U.S. Admiral Refuses To Say If He’d Obey Order To Invade Canada (www.readthemaple.com)
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[–] 6 points 2 months ago (16 children)

How is that a lawful order??

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  • [–] 7 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    It's technically not illegal to invade another country unprovoked. It's illegal to do war crimes though. You can invade a country and annex it without committing warcrimes.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago*

    No it is literally illegal to invade another country unprovoked, the crime is called "war of aggression". It is one of the foundational pillars of international law. The Nuremberg judgement called aggressive war the "supreme international crime". This is the reason US shuns and delegitimizes the ICC and the ICJ, the two bodies supposedly enforcing international law.

    It is also separately illegal to annex another country even by mere threat of force, even if no actual force was used.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago* (6 children)

    Lawful /= you agree with it, basically.

    To see why this is definitely within the powers the president has, swap "Canada" for "Vietnam", "Iraq" or "Iran". For more detail, you'd have to refer to the actual laws of war the US government recognises.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 months ago (5 children)

    Sounds like it's high time America was dissolved and balkanized, then.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

    There isn't any nation where the military can just disagree. Even under a military junta, it's only the junta itself that gets a say; everyone lower down must follow orders (even the ones involving atrocities, in that case. The West is weird for exempting something).

    That said, yeah, America isn't looking so good these days.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 months ago (3 children)

    It never did. It was founded on genocide and slavery.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

    Yes, .ml person. I'm sure you believe that. And also that North Korea is better, somehow. 'Nuff said.

    Edit: Clearly, the username is ironic, with this much effort to get into a fight.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 months ago*

    If you don't believe that both the US and Canada were founded on unspeakable genocide (which inspired the holocaust BTW) and slavery you are delusional. North Korea (for all its faults) was founded by those who resisted and fought the genocidal oppressors. Read a damn book.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

    War isn't actually illegal. I know it feels like it should be, but it really isn't. People say a war is "illegal" because I suppose they feel like it carries more weight than to just say it's "immoral". I guess it's somehow comforting to people to think that somehow some lawyers could prevent countries from going to war somehow.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 months ago (1 child)

    But there are illegal wars. Iran right now is illegal it wasn't approved by Congress. Trump is basically using legal bullfuckery and a lack of consequences to do that shit.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 months ago

    Because its a hypothetical where the journalist didnt specify "unlawful order". Its a bs gocha question. There are hypothetical situations where it would be lawful, regardless of how likely.

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