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[+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 15 points 6 months ago (25 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 25 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 26 points 6 months ago (12 children) If they've got an older type of electric stove, they don't produce an even heat, the element clicks on and off constantly. Even cheaper inductive cookers do this, and it can make things difficult for cooking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -13 points 6 months ago (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago (4 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_switch Everything you just said was wrong. There's no feedback from the coil, no temperature sensor, just a dumb switch that uses duty cycle to control output. Whereas gas is a steady heat, and the heat output can be gauged by eye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago* (1 child) Technically they're correct, they're referring to an induction stovetop. Induction stovetops are sort of like magic. That being said, old non-induction electric stovetops are cheeks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago I've used induction cooktops that are duty cycle based, they just do it a lot faster, fast enough that the interruption in heat isn't noticeable. You can hear them cycling on and off. permalink fedilink source parent [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) This document is an electrical schematic for an air switch on an oven. We're talking about the stove, or range. That's the flat bit on top where you put pots and pans, an oven is the box you put food in that gets hot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -1 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago You mean to the part where it talks about adjusting the gas flow on the burner? 😂 You've posted a diagram for a gas stove, you complete and utter imbecile. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 months ago (5 children) Youre also assuming that you cook every dish at the same temperature the whole time. Gas changes immediately, and if you turn it off, its off. Electric takes longer to change temp and continues to heat and cook after the elements are off. I find your elitist attitude amusing. Have you ever worked in a kitchen with a real chef? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jhdeval@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I can not agree more. While I will admit my electric range knowledge is limited while my gas range knowledge is pretty high. I bought a house with an electric stove I put some oil in my pan turned the eye on and let it warm while I was cutting veggies or something else it had not been more then maybe 2 minutes and the oil burned to the pan. On gas i have never had that issue. It seems no matter what I do on electric I always burn. I admit it may be my lack of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago If you've got the curled up elements, they're notorious for only making contact with part of the pan. permalink fedilink source parent [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -3 points 6 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago Elitist and I'm arguing against the flamboyant and expensive option that only exists to enrich the wealthy? My gas stove was cheaper than an induction cooktop to buy, runs off bottled LPG, and uses a bottle about twice a year. I probably spend a hundred dollars a year running it. Also, every high end kitchen uses gas. Are you suggesting they don't know what they're doing? Everything you've said so far has been absolutely wrong, and frankly you're just embarrassing yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sydd@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago You're really trying to say gas isn't preferred in professional kitchens? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 0 points 6 months ago If you knew anything at all about work boots, you would appreciate the value in a good resoling. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago https://youtu.be/ff04ecF9Dfw Just gonna drop this here permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children) I am not convinced an electric stovetop is any more efficient at transferring heat to the pan than gas is, unless you are using induction which the majority of electric hobs will not be. Edit: I have been convinced now, see below permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 months ago (1 child) I encourage you to find some thermal camera videos, and get some specs to do a bit of math for your own situation. Gas stoves typically create a BUNCH more heat, going up and around the sides of the pan/pot, while electric (of all types) is much more focused on the bottom surface. It's also why electric is so bad for cooking in a wok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 6 months ago Haha wow, this guy on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/Thermal/comments/1qffa4e/infrared_video_of_my_gas_stove/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago Technical connections has a video on this if you are more interested permalink fedilink source parent [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago (6 children) Electric heating is 100% efficient in general, as in 100% of the energy used is converted to thermal energy. No other heating method can claim this period (except geothermal and other heat pumps which can be several thousand percent effective but are impractical for spot heating.) So the real difference is induction versus resistive coil efficiency at transferring that energy to the food... Luckily a ridiculous amount of research has been done to show: Gas is about 40% efficient Electric coil is about 74% efficient. Induction is 80-90% efficient. So not only are you using more efficient methods of creating heat than combustion, you are getting more heat transferred to your food per unit of energy used. By double. Gas stoves are great for two things, and only two things: Jet-Gas stoves for Woks. And Charring vegetables when you're too lazy to start a grill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 10 points 6 months ago (3 children) Electric heating is 100% efficient in general, as in 100% of the energy used is converted to thermal energy. Yeah, I was careful to specify transferring heat to the pan. Luckily a ridiculous amount of research has been done to show: Ok I am convinced now 😆. I'm easy to convince if you have data. I am surprised though, I have used all three and induction is by far the quickest to heat. I can boil a giant pot of water in a few minutes, so I am a bit surprised that the difference between electric and induction is not that big. I guess gas is fast to heat because it stores a ridiculous amount of energy so it can waste plenty and still be quick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago (2 children) Electric is the max temp of you power system so for 120v it's like 500°c and gas burns at like 1300°C you just need a lot more power in gas than in electricity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Damn, I have a 240v induction stove, can I melt metal? 😆 I tried searching this question but apparently there are safety features to prevent me doing cool stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago* I mean tin can be melted over a candle if it's made from beeswachs But yeah 240 volts is absolutely enough to melt iron and copper that's one reason why you have a breaker with an amperage corresponding to the wire in your wall permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Perfectly efficient at turning electrical energy into heat that goes everywhere but the bloody pan, sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago Why did you delete your other comments, not brave enough to let your mistake stand for the amusement of others? I note you still gave me one last downvote before trying to hide your shame though. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] scbasteve@lemmy.world -3 points 6 months ago Bro grow tf up. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 26 points 6 months ago (12 children) If they've got an older type of electric stove, they don't produce an even heat, the element clicks on and off constantly. Even cheaper inductive cookers do this, and it can make things difficult for cooking. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -13 points 6 months ago (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago (4 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_switch Everything you just said was wrong. There's no feedback from the coil, no temperature sensor, just a dumb switch that uses duty cycle to control output. Whereas gas is a steady heat, and the heat output can be gauged by eye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago* (1 child) Technically they're correct, they're referring to an induction stovetop. Induction stovetops are sort of like magic. That being said, old non-induction electric stovetops are cheeks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago I've used induction cooktops that are duty cycle based, they just do it a lot faster, fast enough that the interruption in heat isn't noticeable. You can hear them cycling on and off. permalink fedilink source parent [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) This document is an electrical schematic for an air switch on an oven. We're talking about the stove, or range. That's the flat bit on top where you put pots and pans, an oven is the box you put food in that gets hot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -1 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago You mean to the part where it talks about adjusting the gas flow on the burner? 😂 You've posted a diagram for a gas stove, you complete and utter imbecile. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 months ago (5 children) Youre also assuming that you cook every dish at the same temperature the whole time. Gas changes immediately, and if you turn it off, its off. Electric takes longer to change temp and continues to heat and cook after the elements are off. I find your elitist attitude amusing. Have you ever worked in a kitchen with a real chef? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jhdeval@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I can not agree more. While I will admit my electric range knowledge is limited while my gas range knowledge is pretty high. I bought a house with an electric stove I put some oil in my pan turned the eye on and let it warm while I was cutting veggies or something else it had not been more then maybe 2 minutes and the oil burned to the pan. On gas i have never had that issue. It seems no matter what I do on electric I always burn. I admit it may be my lack of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago If you've got the curled up elements, they're notorious for only making contact with part of the pan. permalink fedilink source parent [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -3 points 6 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago Elitist and I'm arguing against the flamboyant and expensive option that only exists to enrich the wealthy? My gas stove was cheaper than an induction cooktop to buy, runs off bottled LPG, and uses a bottle about twice a year. I probably spend a hundred dollars a year running it. Also, every high end kitchen uses gas. Are you suggesting they don't know what they're doing? Everything you've said so far has been absolutely wrong, and frankly you're just embarrassing yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sydd@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago You're really trying to say gas isn't preferred in professional kitchens? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 0 points 6 months ago If you knew anything at all about work boots, you would appreciate the value in a good resoling. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago https://youtu.be/ff04ecF9Dfw Just gonna drop this here permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -13 points 6 months ago (12 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 12 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago (4 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_switch Everything you just said was wrong. There's no feedback from the coil, no temperature sensor, just a dumb switch that uses duty cycle to control output. Whereas gas is a steady heat, and the heat output can be gauged by eye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago* (1 child) Technically they're correct, they're referring to an induction stovetop. Induction stovetops are sort of like magic. That being said, old non-induction electric stovetops are cheeks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago I've used induction cooktops that are duty cycle based, they just do it a lot faster, fast enough that the interruption in heat isn't noticeable. You can hear them cycling on and off. permalink fedilink source parent [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) This document is an electrical schematic for an air switch on an oven. We're talking about the stove, or range. That's the flat bit on top where you put pots and pans, an oven is the box you put food in that gets hot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -1 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago You mean to the part where it talks about adjusting the gas flow on the burner? 😂 You've posted a diagram for a gas stove, you complete and utter imbecile. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 months ago (5 children) Youre also assuming that you cook every dish at the same temperature the whole time. Gas changes immediately, and if you turn it off, its off. Electric takes longer to change temp and continues to heat and cook after the elements are off. I find your elitist attitude amusing. Have you ever worked in a kitchen with a real chef? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jhdeval@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I can not agree more. While I will admit my electric range knowledge is limited while my gas range knowledge is pretty high. I bought a house with an electric stove I put some oil in my pan turned the eye on and let it warm while I was cutting veggies or something else it had not been more then maybe 2 minutes and the oil burned to the pan. On gas i have never had that issue. It seems no matter what I do on electric I always burn. I admit it may be my lack of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago If you've got the curled up elements, they're notorious for only making contact with part of the pan. permalink fedilink source parent [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -3 points 6 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago Elitist and I'm arguing against the flamboyant and expensive option that only exists to enrich the wealthy? My gas stove was cheaper than an induction cooktop to buy, runs off bottled LPG, and uses a bottle about twice a year. I probably spend a hundred dollars a year running it. Also, every high end kitchen uses gas. Are you suggesting they don't know what they're doing? Everything you've said so far has been absolutely wrong, and frankly you're just embarrassing yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sydd@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago You're really trying to say gas isn't preferred in professional kitchens? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 0 points 6 months ago If you knew anything at all about work boots, you would appreciate the value in a good resoling. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) [–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago https://youtu.be/ff04ecF9Dfw Just gonna drop this here permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 months ago (4 children) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_switch Everything you just said was wrong. There's no feedback from the coil, no temperature sensor, just a dumb switch that uses duty cycle to control output. Whereas gas is a steady heat, and the heat output can be gauged by eye. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago* (1 child) Technically they're correct, they're referring to an induction stovetop. Induction stovetops are sort of like magic. That being said, old non-induction electric stovetops are cheeks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago I've used induction cooktops that are duty cycle based, they just do it a lot faster, fast enough that the interruption in heat isn't noticeable. You can hear them cycling on and off. permalink fedilink source parent [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) This document is an electrical schematic for an air switch on an oven. We're talking about the stove, or range. That's the flat bit on top where you put pots and pans, an oven is the box you put food in that gets hot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -1 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago You mean to the part where it talks about adjusting the gas flow on the burner? 😂 You've posted a diagram for a gas stove, you complete and utter imbecile. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies) load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago* (1 child) Technically they're correct, they're referring to an induction stovetop. Induction stovetops are sort of like magic. That being said, old non-induction electric stovetops are cheeks. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago I've used induction cooktops that are duty cycle based, they just do it a lot faster, fast enough that the interruption in heat isn't noticeable. You can hear them cycling on and off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 12 points 6 months ago I've used induction cooktops that are duty cycle based, they just do it a lot faster, fast enough that the interruption in heat isn't noticeable. You can hear them cycling on and off. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) This document is an electrical schematic for an air switch on an oven. We're talking about the stove, or range. That's the flat bit on top where you put pots and pans, an oven is the box you put food in that gets hot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -1 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago You mean to the part where it talks about adjusting the gas flow on the burner? 😂 You've posted a diagram for a gas stove, you complete and utter imbecile. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) This document is an electrical schematic for an air switch on an oven. We're talking about the stove, or range. That's the flat bit on top where you put pots and pans, an oven is the box you put food in that gets hot. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -1 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago You mean to the part where it talks about adjusting the gas flow on the burner? 😂 You've posted a diagram for a gas stove, you complete and utter imbecile. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -1 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago You mean to the part where it talks about adjusting the gas flow on the burner? 😂 You've posted a diagram for a gas stove, you complete and utter imbecile. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago You mean to the part where it talks about adjusting the gas flow on the burner? 😂 You've posted a diagram for a gas stove, you complete and utter imbecile. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sc00ter@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 months ago (5 children) Youre also assuming that you cook every dish at the same temperature the whole time. Gas changes immediately, and if you turn it off, its off. Electric takes longer to change temp and continues to heat and cook after the elements are off. I find your elitist attitude amusing. Have you ever worked in a kitchen with a real chef? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] jhdeval@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I can not agree more. While I will admit my electric range knowledge is limited while my gas range knowledge is pretty high. I bought a house with an electric stove I put some oil in my pan turned the eye on and let it warm while I was cutting veggies or something else it had not been more then maybe 2 minutes and the oil burned to the pan. On gas i have never had that issue. It seems no matter what I do on electric I always burn. I admit it may be my lack of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago If you've got the curled up elements, they're notorious for only making contact with part of the pan. permalink fedilink source parent [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -3 points 6 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago Elitist and I'm arguing against the flamboyant and expensive option that only exists to enrich the wealthy? My gas stove was cheaper than an induction cooktop to buy, runs off bottled LPG, and uses a bottle about twice a year. I probably spend a hundred dollars a year running it. Also, every high end kitchen uses gas. Are you suggesting they don't know what they're doing? Everything you've said so far has been absolutely wrong, and frankly you're just embarrassing yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sydd@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago You're really trying to say gas isn't preferred in professional kitchens? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 0 points 6 months ago If you knew anything at all about work boots, you would appreciate the value in a good resoling. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] jhdeval@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago (1 child) I can not agree more. While I will admit my electric range knowledge is limited while my gas range knowledge is pretty high. I bought a house with an electric stove I put some oil in my pan turned the eye on and let it warm while I was cutting veggies or something else it had not been more then maybe 2 minutes and the oil burned to the pan. On gas i have never had that issue. It seems no matter what I do on electric I always burn. I admit it may be my lack of knowledge. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago If you've got the curled up elements, they're notorious for only making contact with part of the pan. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 months ago If you've got the curled up elements, they're notorious for only making contact with part of the pan. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -3 points 6 months ago (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago Elitist and I'm arguing against the flamboyant and expensive option that only exists to enrich the wealthy? My gas stove was cheaper than an induction cooktop to buy, runs off bottled LPG, and uses a bottle about twice a year. I probably spend a hundred dollars a year running it. Also, every high end kitchen uses gas. Are you suggesting they don't know what they're doing? Everything you've said so far has been absolutely wrong, and frankly you're just embarrassing yourself. permalink fedilink source parent [–] sydd@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago You're really trying to say gas isn't preferred in professional kitchens? permalink fedilink source parent [–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 0 points 6 months ago If you knew anything at all about work boots, you would appreciate the value in a good resoling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 6 points 6 months ago Elitist and I'm arguing against the flamboyant and expensive option that only exists to enrich the wealthy? My gas stove was cheaper than an induction cooktop to buy, runs off bottled LPG, and uses a bottle about twice a year. I probably spend a hundred dollars a year running it. Also, every high end kitchen uses gas. Are you suggesting they don't know what they're doing? Everything you've said so far has been absolutely wrong, and frankly you're just embarrassing yourself. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] sydd@lemmy.world 5 points 6 months ago You're really trying to say gas isn't preferred in professional kitchens? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 0 points 6 months ago If you knew anything at all about work boots, you would appreciate the value in a good resoling. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago https://youtu.be/ff04ecF9Dfw Just gonna drop this here permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children) I am not convinced an electric stovetop is any more efficient at transferring heat to the pan than gas is, unless you are using induction which the majority of electric hobs will not be. Edit: I have been convinced now, see below permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 months ago (1 child) I encourage you to find some thermal camera videos, and get some specs to do a bit of math for your own situation. Gas stoves typically create a BUNCH more heat, going up and around the sides of the pan/pot, while electric (of all types) is much more focused on the bottom surface. It's also why electric is so bad for cooking in a wok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 6 months ago Haha wow, this guy on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/Thermal/comments/1qffa4e/infrared_video_of_my_gas_stove/ permalink fedilink source parent [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago Technical connections has a video on this if you are more interested permalink fedilink source parent [–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago (6 children) Electric heating is 100% efficient in general, as in 100% of the energy used is converted to thermal energy. No other heating method can claim this period (except geothermal and other heat pumps which can be several thousand percent effective but are impractical for spot heating.) So the real difference is induction versus resistive coil efficiency at transferring that energy to the food... Luckily a ridiculous amount of research has been done to show: Gas is about 40% efficient Electric coil is about 74% efficient. Induction is 80-90% efficient. So not only are you using more efficient methods of creating heat than combustion, you are getting more heat transferred to your food per unit of energy used. By double. Gas stoves are great for two things, and only two things: Jet-Gas stoves for Woks. And Charring vegetables when you're too lazy to start a grill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 10 points 6 months ago (3 children) Electric heating is 100% efficient in general, as in 100% of the energy used is converted to thermal energy. Yeah, I was careful to specify transferring heat to the pan. Luckily a ridiculous amount of research has been done to show: Ok I am convinced now 😆. I'm easy to convince if you have data. I am surprised though, I have used all three and induction is by far the quickest to heat. I can boil a giant pot of water in a few minutes, so I am a bit surprised that the difference between electric and induction is not that big. I guess gas is fast to heat because it stores a ridiculous amount of energy so it can waste plenty and still be quick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago (2 children) Electric is the max temp of you power system so for 120v it's like 500°c and gas burns at like 1300°C you just need a lot more power in gas than in electricity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Damn, I have a 240v induction stove, can I melt metal? 😆 I tried searching this question but apparently there are safety features to prevent me doing cool stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago* I mean tin can be melted over a candle if it's made from beeswachs But yeah 240 volts is absolutely enough to melt iron and copper that's one reason why you have a breaker with an amperage corresponding to the wire in your wall permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Perfectly efficient at turning electrical energy into heat that goes everywhere but the bloody pan, sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago Why did you delete your other comments, not brave enough to let your mistake stand for the amusement of others? I note you still gave me one last downvote before trying to hide your shame though. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Nollij@sopuli.xyz 8 points 6 months ago (1 child) I encourage you to find some thermal camera videos, and get some specs to do a bit of math for your own situation. Gas stoves typically create a BUNCH more heat, going up and around the sides of the pan/pot, while electric (of all types) is much more focused on the bottom surface. It's also why electric is so bad for cooking in a wok. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 6 months ago Haha wow, this guy on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/Thermal/comments/1qffa4e/infrared_video_of_my_gas_stove/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 2 points 6 months ago Haha wow, this guy on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/Thermal/comments/1qffa4e/infrared_video_of_my_gas_stove/ permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago Technical connections has a video on this if you are more interested permalink fedilink source parent
[–] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 point 6 months ago (6 children) Electric heating is 100% efficient in general, as in 100% of the energy used is converted to thermal energy. No other heating method can claim this period (except geothermal and other heat pumps which can be several thousand percent effective but are impractical for spot heating.) So the real difference is induction versus resistive coil efficiency at transferring that energy to the food... Luckily a ridiculous amount of research has been done to show: Gas is about 40% efficient Electric coil is about 74% efficient. Induction is 80-90% efficient. So not only are you using more efficient methods of creating heat than combustion, you are getting more heat transferred to your food per unit of energy used. By double. Gas stoves are great for two things, and only two things: Jet-Gas stoves for Woks. And Charring vegetables when you're too lazy to start a grill. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 10 points 6 months ago (3 children) Electric heating is 100% efficient in general, as in 100% of the energy used is converted to thermal energy. Yeah, I was careful to specify transferring heat to the pan. Luckily a ridiculous amount of research has been done to show: Ok I am convinced now 😆. I'm easy to convince if you have data. I am surprised though, I have used all three and induction is by far the quickest to heat. I can boil a giant pot of water in a few minutes, so I am a bit surprised that the difference between electric and induction is not that big. I guess gas is fast to heat because it stores a ridiculous amount of energy so it can waste plenty and still be quick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago (2 children) Electric is the max temp of you power system so for 120v it's like 500°c and gas burns at like 1300°C you just need a lot more power in gas than in electricity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Damn, I have a 240v induction stove, can I melt metal? 😆 I tried searching this question but apparently there are safety features to prevent me doing cool stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago* I mean tin can be melted over a candle if it's made from beeswachs But yeah 240 volts is absolutely enough to melt iron and copper that's one reason why you have a breaker with an amperage corresponding to the wire in your wall permalink fedilink source parent [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Perfectly efficient at turning electrical energy into heat that goes everywhere but the bloody pan, sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago Why did you delete your other comments, not brave enough to let your mistake stand for the amusement of others? I note you still gave me one last downvote before trying to hide your shame though. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 10 points 6 months ago (3 children) Electric heating is 100% efficient in general, as in 100% of the energy used is converted to thermal energy. Yeah, I was careful to specify transferring heat to the pan. Luckily a ridiculous amount of research has been done to show: Ok I am convinced now 😆. I'm easy to convince if you have data. I am surprised though, I have used all three and induction is by far the quickest to heat. I can boil a giant pot of water in a few minutes, so I am a bit surprised that the difference between electric and induction is not that big. I guess gas is fast to heat because it stores a ridiculous amount of energy so it can waste plenty and still be quick. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago (2 children) Electric is the max temp of you power system so for 120v it's like 500°c and gas burns at like 1300°C you just need a lot more power in gas than in electricity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Damn, I have a 240v induction stove, can I melt metal? 😆 I tried searching this question but apparently there are safety features to prevent me doing cool stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago* I mean tin can be melted over a candle if it's made from beeswachs But yeah 240 volts is absolutely enough to melt iron and copper that's one reason why you have a breaker with an amperage corresponding to the wire in your wall permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 3 points 6 months ago (2 children) Electric is the max temp of you power system so for 120v it's like 500°c and gas burns at like 1300°C you just need a lot more power in gas than in electricity permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Damn, I have a 240v induction stove, can I melt metal? 😆 I tried searching this question but apparently there are safety features to prevent me doing cool stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago* I mean tin can be melted over a candle if it's made from beeswachs But yeah 240 volts is absolutely enough to melt iron and copper that's one reason why you have a breaker with an amperage corresponding to the wire in your wall permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Dave@lemmy.nz 1 point 6 months ago (1 child) Damn, I have a 240v induction stove, can I melt metal? 😆 I tried searching this question but apparently there are safety features to prevent me doing cool stuff. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago* I mean tin can be melted over a candle if it's made from beeswachs But yeah 240 volts is absolutely enough to melt iron and copper that's one reason why you have a breaker with an amperage corresponding to the wire in your wall permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DeadDigger@lemmy.zip 2 points 6 months ago* I mean tin can be melted over a candle if it's made from beeswachs But yeah 240 volts is absolutely enough to melt iron and copper that's one reason why you have a breaker with an amperage corresponding to the wire in your wall permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago (1 child) Perfectly efficient at turning electrical energy into heat that goes everywhere but the bloody pan, sure. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago Why did you delete your other comments, not brave enough to let your mistake stand for the amusement of others? I note you still gave me one last downvote before trying to hide your shame though. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (-1 replies)
[+] marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today -2 points 6 months ago (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago Why did you delete your other comments, not brave enough to let your mistake stand for the amusement of others? I note you still gave me one last downvote before trying to hide your shame though. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 months ago Why did you delete your other comments, not brave enough to let your mistake stand for the amusement of others? I note you still gave me one last downvote before trying to hide your shame though. permalink fedilink source parent