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How 'Active Clubs' use male bonding, fitness and other healthy activities as a trojan horse for extremism (rachelgilmore.substack.com)
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[+] -30 points 7 months ago (56 children)

Nazis are willing to meet men where they are.

leftist/liberals are not.

Why is it that men find Nazis more appealing, I wonder? It's almost as if you treat people well they are more interested in hearing what you have to say...

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  • [–] 33 points 7 months ago (41 children)

    Can you elaborate a bit more about leftist and liberals not willing to meet men where they are?

    Why is it that men find Nazis more appealing, I wonder? It’s almost as if you treat people well they are more interested in hearing what you have to say…

    I don't know about that. Isn't it ego-stroking? If you say that they deserve things and the reason life is crappy is because of these "other" people then you create bonding over that?

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    If you say that they deserve things and the reason life is crappy is because of these "other" people then you create bonding over that?

    This is quite literally how class war rhetoric draws people in. Just look at the memes in leftist spaces. Empathy, solidarity and universal human progress takes a far back seat to "eat the rich".

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (38 children)

    liberal leftist discourse generally approaches men with the assumption they are already awful and must be reformed. especially if you are white and working-class. You are an ignorant sexist horrible person, until you have jumped through their hoops and read the relevant literature.

    the white working-class guy is painted as a prototypical right-wing/nazi type, so if you have any of these traits, you are 'guilty' by default in the eyes of leftists. esp fediverse leftists.

    ego stoking is how you get anyone to join your side. leftists blame other people for their own issues too, and stokes up their base by saying they are the only 'good' people.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (37 children)

    As a white working class man leftists are great. I never have to explain myself and they accept me as I am.

    I've never felt that I was portrayed any particular way by leftist discourse. Much of what we talk about is how to make the country better for working class Canadians. As should not be a shock, most leftist are working class, most are white. We're largely a white working class country.

    Neo Nazis approach young men who are confused and angry about their lot in life and give them simple answers. They're not meeting them where they are, they're flattering them by pretending the world is conspiring to destroy white men.

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  • [+] -18 points 7 months ago* (36 children)

    I spent 3 years in uni being screamed at, in my face often, about how awful I was for being white and working class guy. Glad you didn't have that experience? But plenty of men do. But it was really hard not to become totally alienated by that. A few times I was threatened physically, because I 'don't look leftist', whatever the fuck that means. I still occasionally have some nutbags approach me and scream at me about my perceived politics based on how I look.

    The left needs to give people simple answers and stop pushing convoluted narratives about how how being white and male is inherently awful and oppressive and you must be 'reformed' of your whiteness and maleness.

    More economics, less identity politics.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    The left needs to give people simple answers

    How is tax the rich at the same rate as everyone else difficult?

    How is universal healthcare convoluted?

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  • [+] -12 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (9 children)

    You seem to be confusing leftism in general with economic leftism. they aren't the same thing.

    leftists in general, esp the vocal ones here on lemmy, tend to be authoritarians. They think taxing the rich and universal health care are neoliberalism/shitlib positions and we need to 'tear the system' down rather than reform it as a social democracy.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    I'm sorry those two things are separate how?

    Your sample size and methodology is suspect. Can you share more data other than "I feel"?

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    You've made claims, I asked you to provide information that backs it up.

    So you're here spouting the same lines that right wing podcasters did a decade ago with about as much backing you.

    Be better than rethoric that is a decade old.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    Wah wah wah, bla bla bla.

    Your rethoric is bad and you should feel bad.

    You've made claims and provided no backing data.

    Why should I entertain any idea you spout if you are unwilling to substantiate them?

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    my data is the same place yours is.

    all you can do is resort to harassment and name-calling. and you wonder why young men don't want to hang out with leftists like yourself... lol you are the very problem the OG article talks about. Of course you would flip out at me and take it personally and your entire arguement is just 'no that never happened and you can't prove to me it did so i am smarter than you'

    Just stick your head in the sand and smell your own farts like a good little leftist. than piss and moan as the right takes more and more power from you because they reach out to people and win them over.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I haven't called you names. I have made no claims in this exchange.

    I have not told you my political leanings but you've had opinions on them.

    No wonder you think everyone is hostile. You don't actually listen to them.

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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    No you didn't. That's absurd.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    More likely, they instigated hateful rhetoric and were called out on it. They didn’t understand that they were being called out for their hateful views and words so it’s easier to say, “they yelled at me because I’m a white cis man” when the truth would force introspection

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    They also claim to be persecuted for their hobbies. I think they have some personal issues that makes them feel persecuted all the time. I have a friend like that, it's exhausting. Everyone really likes him but he thinks they don't. I think it's just internalized hatred.

    I tried to talk to him about the way he talks about women. "You say things like women behave like this, or all women are like that, or I won't have women on my boat anymore because they don't listen". To which he complained I called him a piece of shit and that I obviously hate him. "I love you dude, it's harming your relationships and making your life harder, it's a thing you can work on, all you have to do is hear what I'm saying."

    He can't do that though. He's just always already on edge because he constantly feels like he's being judged and he still doesn't realize the judging is coming from inside the house.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    You've come into this thread by making pretty inflammatory statements. When asked to explain, you provided a very barebones anecdote about how someone told you you were evil because you have a white penis. Others chimed in saying that this has never happened to them, despite also being owners of a white penis.

    Instead of clarifying and providing more context, you've stuck to the very basic story, with zero details or context. Since the story sounds quite unlikely, this naturally casts suspicion on you, as it sounds like crucial details are left out. We're supposed to believe fairly extraordinary claims here, which usually requires at least some kind of evidence, or at least believable context.

    So I don't think you should be surprised that when you accuse people of treating you poorly because you have a white penis, you're going to receive some pushback. And I don't think you can reasonably claim that that pushback is somehow evidence of people hating you because of the colour of your member.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    And all of what you said is a complete mischaracterization of my comments, to the point it seems you lack a basic comprehension of the English language.

    I do understand. I understand that acknowledging the problematic behavior of leftists an their rhetoric, and how alienating it is to men, is not allowed because ti upsets the narrative that leftism is only ever good, and that the far right is only ever evil.

    The far-right wins men over because it meets them where they are, and acknowledges the negativity in the world directed at them, and uses it to funnel them into the far-right. And they will win and win and win more over, until the left starts trying to acknowledge the legitimacy of their experiences and concerns, instead of engaging in a complete denial of them as being entirely dismiss-able based on their race and sex.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    You said, and I'm quoting here:

    I spent 3 years in uni being screamed at, in my face often, about how awful I was for being white and working class guy. Glad you didn't have that experience? But plenty of men do. But it was really hard not to become totally alienated by that. A few times I was threatened physically, because I 'don't look leftist', whatever the fuck that means. I still occasionally have some nutbags approach me and scream at me about my perceived politics based on how I look.

    You're being challenged on this because the vast majority of white working class guys simply don't have this experience whatsoever. This whole "leftists screaming at your face"-thing seems to be pretty uniquely happening to you, not white men in general.

    So this does beg the question: why do you have this experience when other white guys in this thread don't? You've immediately resorted to blaming leftists in general, but since others don't share your perception of leftists you're simply not very convincing.

    It's like arguing that the far-right grows because the left shits on the street; nobody else seems to have seen this so people end up questioning your sincerity here.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    So you speak for the vast majority of working class white guys? Interesting.

    The irony also being, the vast majority of working class white guys, don't go to college, let alone elite colleges.

    Elite colleges where the far left ideologies that lemmyites adore, were created and established from which they spread.

    Just because people don't see something personally or directly, is a shitty way of evaluating other people. I've never seen a woman be raped. Does that mean rape doesn't happen? That's the logic you keep employing.

    Or maybe I understand that rape happens, because I've been raped... no! men don't get raped! that can't be! You must be a liar because most men don't get raped!

    I'm blaming shitty people who hide behind their ideology because they think it's fool proof and perfect and wonderful. When it in fact, it's shit. It's the same stinky shit as the far-right, just inverted. Far right hates women, far left hates men. Far right hate immigrants, far left hates native citizens. and so on and so on. Anytime you argue with a far right nutjob, or a far left nutjob, they make the same arguments and resort to the same tactics of character assassination.

    The far right grows because it reaches out to people. The far left basically sits around smelling it's own farts and claims they are all geniuses and they should never have to ever interact with non-leftists because they are all dirty and gross and wonders why more people aren't on their side.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    So you speak for the vast majority of working class white guys? Interesting.

    I am merely making an observation in this thread, where so far your claims have been met with incredulity.

    Elite colleges where the far left ideologies that lemmyites adore, were created and established from which they spread.

    Left-wing ideology is famously a working-class ideology. Progressivism has taken hold in colleges, but leftism isn't a guarantee: just look at many conservative politicians who often graduated from the most elite schools (the Tories in the UK are often accused of being too "Eton-centered" for example).

    Just because people don't see something personally or directly, is a shitty way of evaluating other people. I've never seen a woman be raped. Does that mean rape doesn't happen? That's the logic you keep employing.

    But there are plenty of documented cases of rape happening. Lots of people know someone who was either sexually assaulted or raped. There's a lot of knowledge on how rapists behave and how rape happens. But this isn't the case for leftists accusing someone of being a bad person, for merely being white and working-class.

    What is more commonly known is that people victimizing themselves online tend to understate their own role in a conflict, or leave out critical details that paint the context in a different light. Take the various YePowerTrippingBastards communities: it happens quite often that someone leaves out crucial details that significantly undermine the story they're telling.

    This is why you're being met with severe skepticism. You're making some inflammatory accusations (leftists physically accosting people for being white and working-class), without evidence nor context, based on supposed repeat personal encounters. And I'm not saying that it didn't happen, but I am trying to explain why you're unlikely to be believed here. You also don't exactly paint yourself as an impartial participant when you make statements saying the left "hates men" and "hates native citizens".

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  • [+] -9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Or you are the typical head in the sand leftist who totally denies how highly problematic much of your cohort is.

    Because if I wast a good leftist, that would never happen to me right? I must be a closeted Nazi, right?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Glad you didn't have that experience? But plenty of men do.

    As a white male I also have never had that experience. Not have any of my other white male friends.

    For something apparently so common it's bizarre I've never seen it heard of a real case of it. Maybe there's a different reason that people were yelling at you?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I've never been beating to death by the police. No black friend I've ever had has either!

    Clearly all those black guys who died from being beaten by the police, are liars! They must have done something to deserve having their neck leaned on until they died of asphyxiation! They must have deserved it! All those videos and court cases are clearly all lies and misinformation.

    This is your logic and argumentation.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    So now white men are being beaten to death for being white males?

    All those videos and court cases are clearly all lies and misinformation.

    Fantastic point: where are the video and court cases about white men being attacked?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You completely missed the point.

    All you care about is your agenda and you will ignore all testimony to the contrary as fake and false. Just like a MAGA.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    What point did I miss? I'm not going to play "guess the point", if there's a different point you're trying to make you need to state it.

    All you care about is your agenda

    What agenda is that?

    You're making vague statements implying an argument but won't state what your argument is. This leads me to believe your argument is so fragile it wouldn't stand up to the scrutiny of being read.

    you will ignore all testimony to the contrary

    Some rando on social media isn't testimony. People lie on social media all the time. I asked for specific evidence and this is the response I get.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Maybe there’s a different reason that people were yelling at you?

    Must you resort to personal attacks? Why assume anyone who disagrees with you is only doing so because of a character flaw?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Why assume anyone who disagrees with you is only doing so because of a character flaw?

    When did I say anyone who disagrees with me has a character flaw? It has just been my experience that whenever someone complains that they are being discriminated against for being a white male, as soon as anyone looks into it turns out they got in trouble / got yelled at because of some action they had taken. As OP said: happens all the time.

    Also note that saying "maybe that person was upset because of an action you had taken instead of the colour and shape of your genitals" is not a personal attack. I am neither condoning the yelling nor condemning some unknown action. I am presenting an alternative view to the scenario that has been presented with very little information.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    I don't know why everyone's so adamant that this can't happen. I don't see it that often, but at least in online spaces, I've definitely seen others being targeted for having the wrong genetics and not knowing enough about what life is like for those who look different from them. If you don't encounter any of this, then that's great. That's what we want, and there's probably nothing you can do differently to meaningfully change anything. But if we do see it, then it's our responsibility to curb this kind of behaviour.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It's because you specifically are very obviously a liar. You didn't spend three years being shouted at in university, it's a crazy claim.

    Are there shitty leftists, yes, leftists are people and people have flaws. The idea that the entire community is just people telling at white guys is a fabrication. It's a fabrication pushed by people who want to excite hate on the internet. That's why the conversation only ever happens on the internet. Make community and find help.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    There are definitely people on the left who revel in pushing narratives generalizing about white men as though they're all villains. Those people are the equivalents of people on the right who push narratives generalizing about minorities as though they're all villains. In both cases their views are harmful and destructive, and in neither case are those views correct or representative of everyone on their side of the spectrum.

    But, you're falling into the same trap of generalizing about a group from a minority of them with idiotic views. The last 15 years of social media and algos that promote the extremes have made that way too easy to do, for everybody. Moderate takes don't pull views. Still, it's wrong.

    The binaries aren't real. It's not like the choices are either hate all white men or become a Nazi.

    Also, not all men play combat or team sports. Lots of men's lives are full with other activities that Nazis aren't targeting. The Nazis just target these sports because they've always been spaces that are pretty permissive for the worst sides of bro culture to emerge. Regardless, real bros don't let bros go Nazi.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago

    The people who believe in binaries are very real and everywhere. I live in Boston and I encounter it in person regular. You can't go to a party here without someone white rich people bitching about how rich white people are all awful and they aren't one of them... and these people are always raging hypocrites if you confront them.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (8 children)

    Society is even worse.

    Name me a single TV show where the man isn’t a moron, and where the woman is not the only functional adult in the relationship, and I could likely show you 100 shows where the man is portrayed as a moron and where the woman is the only functional adult.

    Colour me naïve, but this narrative has got to be seriously f**king with gender relations, and how women are now overwhelmingly disrespecting men and what they bring to the table.

    And this brainwashing starts in childhood, with shows like Peppa Pig laying the foundation for that life-long disrespect.

    It also shows men how little they are actually valued long before they can bring anything of value to the table. It’s certainly been a factor of why other men around me have been disengaging from society and going their own way. Why bother if you are the pre-ordained baddie, and have zero ability to counter that messaging without being called a misogynist?

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    Name me a single TV show where the man isn’t a moron, and where the woman is not the only functional adult in the relationship, and I could likely show you 100 shows where the man is portrayed as a moron and where the woman is the only functional adult.

    You appear to be characterising all TV shows as being family sitcoms with the "dumb husband" and "smart wife" dichotomy. You do realise this isn't the only formula on TV, and is even less common than it's ever been in terms of being made right?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Okay, so I was not specific enough. Let me rephrase:

    “Name me any popular media that centres around a husband/wife or boyfriend/girlfriend dynamic, where the man isn’t a moron…”

    There we go. Happy?

    And notice the term “likely” in my prior comment. Don’t ask me to pick grains of sand off of a beach when you have the entire beach in the first place. I’ve got better things to do with my life than working through Brandolini’s Law; gesturing to that beach is as far as I am going to go.

    Aside from distressingly rare well-written examples of healthy relationships such as Babylon 5, the “foolish husband, responsible wife” trope is almost everywhere. It even figures prominently in a majority of advertising that features couples interacting with each other.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    “Name me any popular media that centres around a husband/wife or boyfriend/girlfriend dynamic, where the man isn’t a moron…”

    I don't know. I don't watch that type of show personally. I honestly couldn't comment. I know that it's a trope, I also know that it's a dated trope and that shows like that aren't made that much these days. It's a 90s/00s media trope.

    Aside from distressingly rare well-written examples of healthy relationships such as Babylon 5, the “foolish husband, responsible wife” trope is almost everywhere. It even figures prominently in a majority of advertising that features couples interacting with each other.

    Oh no, not advertising! Woe is me!

    I will never understand this obsession and crying about how random couples are depicted in 30 second advertisement clips. I live with adblock so I genuinely never see any of this. It's honestly such a laughable thing to cry about.

    As for TV, since you've bought up Babylon 5 let me cycle through shows I've seen on the matter where this dichotomy is not true in regards to man-woman relationships: Turk and Carla in Scrubs, Jack and Anne Bonny in Black Sails, Flint and Miranda in Black Sails, John Silver and Madi in Black Sails, John and Aeryn in Farscape, Holden and Naomi in The Expanse, Ed Baldwin and Karen in For All Mankind, James and Cassandra in 12 Monkeys, Rick/Michonne in TWD, The relationship between the leads in Twisted Metal, The relationship between the older couple in Night Sky (unfortunately cancelled). It's even true in the poorly-written Witcher (Geralt and Yennefer). Now are many of these setups strictly "husband and wife"? No. I don't watch shows focused around those themes generally. But these are equal relationship setups where the man is not depicted as an idiot, and the woman not a genius.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Name me a single TV show where the man isn’t a moron, and where the woman is not the only functional adult in the relationship, and I could likely show you 100 shows where the man is portrayed as a moron and where the woman is the only functional adult.

    The Good Place
    Babylon 5
    Star Trek (OS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT)
    Stranger Things
    Firefly
    Sevrence
    The Black List
    Breaking Bad
    Gravity Falls...

    You owe me 900 shows.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    And this is far from an exhaustive list. But it’s telling that this is a widely-known and ubiquitous trope, whereas its flip-side opposite is pretty much nonexistent.

    In fact, the only references I could find were on the “foolish husband” tropes:

    And Star Trek should not be on your list:

    • OS did not include explicit relationships between main characters
    • TNG series had only two historical relationships, neither of which were “active”.
    • DS9 had Rom (last season), O’Bryan, and (in the early seasons as a bumbling romantic) Bashir. To a certain extent the trope even existed between Quark and his mother, in terms of her being financially successful and smart in ways Quark never was, although this was shown in just a handful of episodes and so doesn’t really count.
    • Voyager had Paris, Neelix, and - to a painfully awkward extent - Kim. Plus, poor dude spent the entire voyage home as a f**king ensign.
    • Technically Enterprise had Trip, who as a human was very emotionally foolish next to T’Pol.

    Plus, the argument can be made that a few of your other choices don’t have a husband/wife relationship as a central/recurring feature between main characters, and as such are also ineligible.

    The only solid mark that I see in your favour is Babylon 5, with Sheraton’s relationship with Delenne and Ivanova’s tragic relationship with Cole being exemplary examples that are shockingly rare in media.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    1. that's not 900 shows

    2. your list includes things like;

    Calvin and Hobbes: While Calvin's dad isn't exactly foolish (he's a patent attorney) and just as irritated by Calvin's antics as Calvin's mom, there's also plenty of strips showing him trolling Calvin by telling him outrageous lies about how the world works (such as the world being black and white until the '60s, or wind being caused by trees sneezing, or Calvin not being brought by a stork but a pterodactyl, etc.).

    Which is notably not what you were complaining about.

    1. there's a difference between it existing in some shows throughout the history of mankind and it being the overwhelming majority of television like you implied. Every show I listed was popular and well recieved. Your list includes Fan Fiction which isn't even television.
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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, you are not wrong. The content of media has radically changed from where it was a generation or two ago.

    It also happens with class. Working-class people are no longer allowed to have any dignity or success in media. Everything is now upper middle class people or wealthy people and their emotional drama.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    It's not at all. A lot of modern TV is actually sci-fi/fantasy/dystopian that has nothing to do with specifically orientating itself around "wealthy people". At least that is what I watch.

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