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How 'Active Clubs' use male bonding, fitness and other healthy activities as a trojan horse for extremism (rachelgilmore.substack.com)
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[–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

You said, and I'm quoting here:

I spent 3 years in uni being screamed at, in my face often, about how awful I was for being white and working class guy. Glad you didn't have that experience? But plenty of men do. But it was really hard not to become totally alienated by that. A few times I was threatened physically, because I 'don't look leftist', whatever the fuck that means. I still occasionally have some nutbags approach me and scream at me about my perceived politics based on how I look.

You're being challenged on this because the vast majority of white working class guys simply don't have this experience whatsoever. This whole "leftists screaming at your face"-thing seems to be pretty uniquely happening to you, not white men in general.

So this does beg the question: why do you have this experience when other white guys in this thread don't? You've immediately resorted to blaming leftists in general, but since others don't share your perception of leftists you're simply not very convincing.

It's like arguing that the far-right grows because the left shits on the street; nobody else seems to have seen this so people end up questioning your sincerity here.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    So you speak for the vast majority of working class white guys? Interesting.

    The irony also being, the vast majority of working class white guys, don't go to college, let alone elite colleges.

    Elite colleges where the far left ideologies that lemmyites adore, were created and established from which they spread.

    Just because people don't see something personally or directly, is a shitty way of evaluating other people. I've never seen a woman be raped. Does that mean rape doesn't happen? That's the logic you keep employing.

    Or maybe I understand that rape happens, because I've been raped... no! men don't get raped! that can't be! You must be a liar because most men don't get raped!

    I'm blaming shitty people who hide behind their ideology because they think it's fool proof and perfect and wonderful. When it in fact, it's shit. It's the same stinky shit as the far-right, just inverted. Far right hates women, far left hates men. Far right hate immigrants, far left hates native citizens. and so on and so on. Anytime you argue with a far right nutjob, or a far left nutjob, they make the same arguments and resort to the same tactics of character assassination.

    The far right grows because it reaches out to people. The far left basically sits around smelling it's own farts and claims they are all geniuses and they should never have to ever interact with non-leftists because they are all dirty and gross and wonders why more people aren't on their side.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    So you speak for the vast majority of working class white guys? Interesting.

    I am merely making an observation in this thread, where so far your claims have been met with incredulity.

    Elite colleges where the far left ideologies that lemmyites adore, were created and established from which they spread.

    Left-wing ideology is famously a working-class ideology. Progressivism has taken hold in colleges, but leftism isn't a guarantee: just look at many conservative politicians who often graduated from the most elite schools (the Tories in the UK are often accused of being too "Eton-centered" for example).

    Just because people don't see something personally or directly, is a shitty way of evaluating other people. I've never seen a woman be raped. Does that mean rape doesn't happen? That's the logic you keep employing.

    But there are plenty of documented cases of rape happening. Lots of people know someone who was either sexually assaulted or raped. There's a lot of knowledge on how rapists behave and how rape happens. But this isn't the case for leftists accusing someone of being a bad person, for merely being white and working-class.

    What is more commonly known is that people victimizing themselves online tend to understate their own role in a conflict, or leave out critical details that paint the context in a different light. Take the various YePowerTrippingBastards communities: it happens quite often that someone leaves out crucial details that significantly undermine the story they're telling.

    This is why you're being met with severe skepticism. You're making some inflammatory accusations (leftists physically accosting people for being white and working-class), without evidence nor context, based on supposed repeat personal encounters. And I'm not saying that it didn't happen, but I am trying to explain why you're unlikely to be believed here. You also don't exactly paint yourself as an impartial participant when you make statements saying the left "hates men" and "hates native citizens".

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