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[–] 2 points 11 months ago (131 children)

Nowhere in your "proof" screenshots does it say anything about distribution being part of the brackets step. Distribution is a method that can help solve equations, but it isn't required. If you have 2(3+5) you're free to solve it as 2*3+2*5 or as 2*8, whichever is easiest. That is because juxtaposition means multiplication and nothing else.

Math textbooks almost universally will either use clear brackets or simply write divisions in 2 lines, which avoids the confusion altogether.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (129 children)

    Here is math for kids https://www.mathsisfun.com/definitions/distributive-law.html

    Distributive law means you are allowed to distribute, not that you must distribute. I'm so sorry for the amount of effort you're futilely putting into this lmao. Nowhere in all your sources and screenshots is it stated you must distribute, and thus the entire argument breaks down.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (127 children)

    You must not distribute brother, lay it to rest lmao. It's optional. Google distributive law and find me one source saying it's imperative to distribute - there's none. You can even confirm this is true yourself with simple examples like the ones I've mentioned above.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (125 children)

    Bro directly after what you underlined it says "if you want to remove the brackets" lol. Selective reading much? "If" means optional. You are free to solve what's inside the brackets first, before multiplying it with what's outside.

    Also, the link I posted is literally titled "distributive law", not property. You realize a law can have conditions, right?

    Quick quiz for you: what's the result of 2(3+5)² ?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (123 children)

    Ok bro so answer my question what's the result of the expression I wrote above?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (121 children)

    Exponents come after brackets, so I'm curious to see how you solve that with your logic lol. It has an obvious correct solution, which is 128, but you need to distribute in the brackets step, which comes before exponents, so let's see what you do with it lmao.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (119 children)

    Ok bro now find an expression solver that verifies your solution. I tried Wolfram Alpha, Google, and others, and they all return 128. So either you're wrong, or all people who make these tools professionally are wrong. Not trying to be offensive, but I know where I'm putting my money.

    To be clear, the reason you're wrong is because distribution is not part of the brackets step. Brackets are solved before exponents, resulting in 2(8)². Remove the brackets and then it's 2*8²

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (21 children)

    Lmao citing yourself and assuming you're correct and smarter than everyone who programs solvers, even those who are known to be respectable and used extensively in academia. Nothing's been established cause you've cited sources that don't support your argument, and repeating them again and again won't make it different. Good day bro, continuing this is useless.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (19 children)

    I've read everything you've posted, but the problem is you're interpreting the texts in such a way that they support your flawed argument, conveniently ignoring what they're actually saying, such as "if" statements.

    Even this textbook that you yourself posted goes against what you're saying if you just bother to look at it outside of your tunnel vision:

    Notice something?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (17 children)

    Yep I have looked at all you've posted, I say you're wrong because what you've posted says things that are true, but you're reading them wrong. For example your last image clearly says a number next to a bracket means the content of the bracket must be multiplied with said number. Nowhere there does anybody speak of distribution taking precedence over other operations. In fact, nowhere in all sources I can find does it say so. Wonder why all screenshots you post use convoluted wording and wonder why you pop up everywhere arguing the same thing and keep getting downvoted? At some point you need to understand that if one old-ass calculator and selective reading of cherry picked passages is all the proof you have, when all modern calculators and algebra solvers go against you, maybe it's time to reconsider.

    Juxtaposition taking precedence over other multiplications I can understand and it's an arguable point. Distribution being a mandatory step and taking precedence over even exponents is just silly and unfortunately wrong.

    Also another thing: you're a math teacher as you've said, and consistently ask if I think "random programmers" know more about algebra than you. What I say to that is I've met plenty of teachers who are wrong about things in their own fields, for one. And also, people defining the rules of all those algebra solvers aren't the programmers, as you'd know if you looked a bit into product development. It's domain experts, who also define tests and receive feedback on the software's performance and errors. I'm sure (lol) you've sent feedback to them, and they probably looked at it and decided you're wrong. As well all have.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (15 children)

    Here you go:

    Please post a source that gives a different answer to this expression, I'll wait.

    There's of course programmers that implement their own projects, but for big monetized products that's no longer the case. I'm in the software industry myself and have worked extensively in product development.

    Sure bro you have multiple downvotes in many posts, I'm sure it's the person you're arguing with logging in with multiple accounts lol.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (13 children)

    You realize a calculator doesn't need to be a dedicated hardware, right? Windows calculator, MacOS calculator, Android calculator, and all web-based calculators count as well.

    You have no clue what you're talking about. Wolfram Alpha is a commercial product (with a free-tier as is usual nowadays) and uses the same engine as Mathematica, which is used extensively in industry, academic institutions, and government agencies.

    None of your sources has exponents in them, and that's very convenient for your mistake of mixing up juxtaposition and your invented rule.

    Btw, ask yourself this as well: why would your invented interpretation of distributive law be necessary at all? It brings no benefit to the table at all. Juxtaposition arguably does, because it allows shorter notation, but your invention doesn't.

    Please find a calculator that gives a result different to 128 for the expression 2(3+5)². You won't be able to, because it's the only correct answer. If you don't post a reproducible example of a solver anywhere coming to a different solution, I'll consider your argument defeated and ignore further engagement from your part. Have a nice day!

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (11 children)

    Please find a calculator that gives a result different to 128 for the expression 2(3+5)². Should be easy, no?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (9 children)

    Nobody has argued exponents should go before brackets.

    I'm saying distribution being mandatory is an invented rule from your part.

    No wonder you can't produce such a simple request. I thought you had calculators that work "correctly"?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (7 children)

    Unsolved brackets

    Solving brackets does not include forced distribution. Juxtaposition means multiplication, and as such, 2(3+5)² is the same as 2*(3+5)², so once the brackets result in 8, they're solved.

    Distribution needs to happen if you want to remove the brackets while there are still multiple terms inside, but it's still a part of the multiplication. You can't do it if there is an exponent, which has higher priority.

    Your whole argument hangs on the misinterpretation of textbooks. This is what it feels like to argue against Bible fanatics lmao.

    Tell you what, provide me a solver that says 2(3+5)² is 256 and you've won, it's so easy no?

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    Don't move the goalposts. I've posted textbooks showing that "solving brackets" only applies to the inside, and distribution is part of multiplication and optional.

    You've said yourself your magic rule is taught in highschool, so a refresher course in college would never ignore it.

    Now instead of giving weak excuses, provide your part of the proof. And I'm not talking about multiplication, I want to see anywhere where a distribution is given precedence over an exponent.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Who are you talking to?

    All I said was: If 5(4)^2^ is 5*16, like this college math textbook shows, then 2(8)^2^ is 2*64.

    Every published example will agree this is how it works. None, at any level of education, will agree with your bullshit.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (59 children)

    Then you’re just a crank who lies to thirteen-year-olds about some bullshit you made up.

    Weird then that's in in Maths textbooks isn't it 😂

    Both 2(8+0)2 and 2(8*1)2

    Says another person who can't tell the difference between a(b+c) and a(bc) 🙄

    Nobody but you has this problem

    Knowing how to read Maths textbooks is a problem?? 😂 I can assure you that all my students have this same "problem"

    Real math doesn’t work differently based on how you got there

    It does if you have different expressions, such as 8/2(1+3) and 8/2x(1+3)

    B 8/2(1+3)=8/(2+6)=8/8

    E

    DM 8/8=1

    AS

    B 8/2x(1+3)=8/2x4

    E

    DM 8/2x4=4x4=16

    AS

    Different expressions, different order of evaluation, same rules of Maths (both following BEDMAS here) resulting in the different evaluations of the different expressions 🙄

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (56 children)

    Every textbook with an answer key says you're full of shit.

    Physical calculators say you're full of shit.

    Advanced math programs say you're full of shit.

    You can keep talking, but you're obviously just full of shit.

    At some point you're either so deep in denial you should speak Swahili, or else being wrong on purpose is the point. The answer in either case is shut the fuck up.

    2(n)^2^ is 2n^2^. Anything else is an inane complication nobody else believes in or uses or needs.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (32 children)

    An algebraic expression written as a product or quotient of numerals or variables or both is called a term

    So b * c, which is a product of the variables b and c, is a term, according to this textbook.

    You seem to be getting confused because none of the examples on this particular page feature the multiplication symbol ×. But that is because on the previous page, the author writes:

    When a product involves a variable it is customary to omit the symbol × of multiplication.

    That means that the expression bc is just another way of writing b×c; it is treated the same other than requiring fewer strokes of the pen or presses on a keyboard, because this is just a custom. That should clear up your confusion in interpreting this textbook (though really, the language is clear: you don't dispute that b×c - or b * c - are products, do you.)

    Elsewhere in this thread you are clearly confused about what brackets mean. They are explained on page 20 of your textbook, where it says that you evaluate the expression inside the (innermost) brackets before doing anything else. Notice that, in its elucidation of several examples, involving addition and multiplication, the "distributive law" is not mentioned, because the distributive law has nothing to do with brackets and is not an operation.

    Thus the expression 3 × (2 + 4) can be evaluated by first performing the summation inside the brackets to get 3 × 6 and then the product to get 18. The textbook then says that it is customary to omit the multiplication symbol and instead write 3(2+4), again indicating that these expressions are merely different ways of writing the same thing.

    The exact same process of course must be followed whether numbers are represented by numerals or by letters designating a variable. You cannot do algebra if you don't follow the same procedure in both cases. So consider the expression 2(a+b)². You have suggested that you must evaluate this as (2a+2b)² because you must "do brackets first", but this is not what "doing brackets" means. You haven't produced any authority to suggest that it is, and your own textbook makes it clear that "doing brackets" means do what is inside the brackets first. Not what is outside the brackets. Distributing 2 over a+b is not "doing brackets"; it is multiplication and comes afterwards.

    If 2(a+b)² were equal to (2a+2b)² let us try with a=b=2. Let us first evaluate (2a+2b)²: it is equal to (2×2+2×2)² = (4+4)² = 8² = 64. Now let us evaluate 2(a+b)²: it is 2(2+2)² and now, following your textbook's instruction to do what is inside the brackets first, this is equal to 2(4)². The next highest-priority operation is the exponent, giving us 2×16 (we now must write the × because it is an expression purely in numerals, with no brackets or variables) which is 32.

    The fact that these two answers are different is because your understandings of what it means to "do brackets" and the distributive law are wrong.

    Since I'm working off the textbook you gave, and I referred liberally to things in that textbook, I'm sure if you still disagree you will be able to back up your interpretations with reference to it.

    By the way, I noticed this statement on page 23, regarding the order of operations:

    However, mathematicians have agreed on a rule to fall back on if someone omits punctuation marks.

    it does rather seem like this rule is one established not by the fundamental laws of mathematics but by agreement as they say, does it not? Care to comment?

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, I'd make most stuff explicit in programming. You're rarely gonna do more than two arithmetic operations at a time anyways so you often get it for free. The most common one for me is % which I expect to bind weakly. I guess it binds tightly because it follows division, but I read "a + 1 % n" out loud with a "modulo" and when you say that in a mathematical context the modulo would apply to the entire expression to the left.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Do you teach classes like this? "That's not a product, it's a multiplication" -- those are the same thing. Shouldn't you, as a teacher, be explaining the difference, if you say there is one? I'm starting to believe you don't think they're is one, but are just using words to be annoying. Or maybe you don't explain because you don't know.

    You could argue that "product" refers to the result of the multiplication rather than the operation, but there's no sense in which the formula "a × b" does not refer to the result of multiplying a and b.

    Of course, you don't bother to even make such an argument because either that would make it easier to see your trolling for what it is, or you're not actuality smart enough to understand the words you're using.

    It's interesting, isn't it, that you never provide any reference to your textbooks to back up these strange interpretations. Where in your textbook does it say explicitly that ab is not a multiplication, or that a multiplication is different from a product in any substantive sense, eh? It doesn't, does it? You're keen to cite textbooks any time you can, but here you can't. You complain that people don't read enough of the textbook, yet they read more than you ever refer to.

    In the other thread I said I wouldn't continue unless you demonstrated your good faith by admitting to a simple verifiable fact that you got wrong. Here's another option: provide an actual textbook example where any of the disputed claims you make are explicitly made. For example, there should be some textbook somewhere which says that mathematics would not work with different orders of operations - you've never found a textbook which says anything like this, only things like "mathematicians have agreed" (and by the way, hilarious that you commit the logical fallacy of affirming the consequent on that one).

    Likewise with your idea of what constitutes a term, where's your textbook which says that "a × b is not a term"? Where is the textbook that says 5(17) requires distribution? (All references you have given are that distribution relates multiplication and addition, but there's no addition) Where's your textbook which says "ab is a product, not multiplication"? Where's a citation saying "product is not the same as multiplication and here's how"? Because there is a textbook reference saying "ab means the same as a × b", so your mental contortions are not more authoritative.

    Find any one of these - explicitly, not implicitly, (because your ability to interpret maths textbooks is poor) and we can have a productive discussion, otherwise we cannot.

    My prediction: you'll present some implicit references and try to argue they mean what you want. In that case, my reply is already prepared 😁

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    It's amazing that you think these are explicit references. Notice how the text never says "you MUST use the distributive law"? It always says some variation of "in order to simplify, you must..."?

    No, you don't notice, because you're blind, and don't understand what distributivity actually is.

    You also got me confused with someone else trying to explain in short words how you're wrong, but that won't be a problem now you demonstrated such abject failure to hold a productive discussion - bye.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    There’s no sense in which it does refer to the result you mean.

    "a X b is written ab." Modern Algebra: Structure And Method, page 36. It's only a different way of writing the exact same thing.

    Go ahead and try it out and let me know how you go.

    Every textbook ever written disagrees with how you think brackets work, and mathematics has not collapsed in on itself. We've seen your Mastodon posts lamenting how 'university people' all disagree with what you lie to teenagers about. All of them! Weird, right? What a bizarre coincidence. I'm not sure what would look different if you were just plain full of shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (16 children)

    This is you admitting there's no difference. You insist they're not the same. How?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (14 children)

    That's convention for notation, not a distinction between a*b and ab both being the product of a and b.

    You have to slap 1/ in front of things and pretend that's the subject, to avoid these textbooks telling you, ab means a*b. They are the same thing. They are one term.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (12 children)

    'If a+b equals b+a, why is 1/a+b different from 1/b+a?'

    ab means a*b.

    That's why 1/ab=1/(a*b).

    But we could just as easily say 1/ab = (1/a)*b, because that distinction is only convention.

    None of which excuses your horseshit belief that a(b)^2^ occasionally means (ab)^2^.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    ‘If a+b equals b+a, why is 1/a+b different from 1/b+a?’

    Because they're not identically equal 🙄 Welcome to you almost getting the point

    ab means a*b

    means, isn't equal

    That’s why 1/ab=1/(a*b)

    Nope, it's because ab==(axb) <== note the brackets duuuhhh!!! 😂

    But we could just as easily say 1/ab = (1/a)*b

    No you can't! 😂

    because that distinction is only convention

    Nope! An actual rule, as found not only in Maths textbooks (see above), but in all textbooks - Physics, Engineering, Chemistry, etc. - they all obey ab==(axb)

    None of which excuses your horseshit belief that a(b)2

    says person still ignoring all these textbooks

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (10 children)

    No you can’t!

    Yes we could, because it's a theoretical different notation. Mathematics itself does not break down, if you have to put add explicit brackets to 1/(ab).

    Mathematics does break down when you insist a(b)^2^ gets an a^2^ term, for certain values of b. It's why you've had to invent exceptions to your made-up bullshit, and pretend 2(8)^2^ gets different answers when simplified from 2(5+3)^2^ versus 2(8*1)^2^.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Yes we could

    No you can't! 😂

    it’s a theoretical different notation

    In other words against the rules of Maths that we have, got it

    does not break down, if you have to put add explicit brackets to 1/(ab)

    But it does breakdown if you treat ab as axb 🙄

    if you have to put add explicit brackets to 1/(ab)

    We explicitly don't have to, because brackets not being needed around a single Term is another explicit rule of Maths, 🙄 being the way everything was written before we started using Brackets in Maths. We wrote things like aa/bb without brackets for many centuries. i.e. they were added on after we had already defined all these other rules centuries before

    Mathematics does break down when you insist a(b)2 gets an a2 term

    No it doesn't. If you meant ab², then you would just write ab². If you've written a(b)², then you mean (axb)²

    for certain values of b

    Got nothing to do with the values of b

    It’s why you’ve had to invent exceptions to your made-up bullshit

    says person still ignoring all these textbooks

    pretend 2(8)2

    There's no pretending, It's there in the textbooks

    when simplified from 2(5+3)2 versus 2(8*1)2

    You know it's called The Distributive Property of Multiplication over additon, right? And that there's no such thing as The Distributive Property of Multiplication over Multiplication, right? You're just rehashing your old rubbish now

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Couldn't resist:

    but when multiplications are denoted by juxtaposition, as in 4c ÷ 3ab

    Damn, and I thought they were called "products" not "multiplications" 🤔🤔🤔

    No it doesn’t. If you meant ab², then you would just write ab². If you’ve written a(b)², then you mean (a×b)²

    If you can find an explicit textbook example where writing a(b)² is said to be evaluated as (a×b)² then that's another way you can prove your good faith (When I say "explicit" I don't mean it must literally be that formula; the variables a and b could have different names, or could be constants written with numerals, and the exponent could be anything other than 1). Likewise, if you can find any explicit textbook example which specifically mentions an "exception" to the distributive law, that would demonstrate good faith.

    I'm not saying that such an explicit example is the only way to demonstrate your claim, but I'm just trying to give you more opportunities to prove that you're not just a troll and that it's possible to have a productive discussion. You insist you're talking about mathematical rules that cannot be violated, so it should be no problem to find an explicit mention of them.

    If you think this insistence on demonstrating your good faith is unfair, you should remember that you are saying that the practice of calculators, mathematical tools, programming languages and mathematical software are all wrong and that you are right, and that my interpretation of your own textbooks is wrong. While it's not impossible for many people to be wrong about something and for me to interpret something wrong, if you show no ability to admit error, or to admit that disagreement from competing authorities casts doubt on your claims, or to evince your controversial claims with explicit examples that are not subject to interpretational contortions, the likelihood is that you're not willing to ever see truth and there's no point arguing with such a person.

    By the way, sorry for making multiple replies on the same point.

    As my own show of good faith, I do see that one of your textbooks (Chrystal) has the convention that a number "carries with it" a + or -, which is suppressed in the case of a term-initial positive number. If you demonstrate it worth continuing the discussion, I'll explain why I think this is a bad convention and why the formal first-order language of arithmetic doesn't have this convention.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    If you’ve written a(b)², then you mean (a×b)²

    When shown a textbook that explicitly distinguishes 6(ab)^3^ meaning 6(ab)(ab)(ab) and (6ab)^3^ meaning (6ab)(6ab)(6ab), they accidentally got it right whilst sneering and inventing their sPeCiAl cAsE:

    6a²b²=6(ab)²

    They can't even keep their horseshit straight when their inane pivots to division are directly addressed. Every response begins "nuh uh!" and backfills whatever needs to be true for you to be wrong and them to be smarterer.

    They're just full of shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I haven't been able to follow the entirety of that conversation so I don't remember what exactly he said about combining (implicit) multiplication, brackets and powers.

    I think their fundamental confusion is in thinking that the distributive law is something you must do instead of a property of multiplication that you can use to aid in the manipulation of algebraic expressions but don't have to. Folded into their inability to understand that some aspects of maths are custom and convention, whilst others are rules fundamental to the operation of the universe. Somewhere along the way he seems to think that distributivity is something to do with brackets instead of something to do with addition and multiplication - I really don't understand how that has happened!

    I'm pursuing a tack where I'll see if I can get him to actually cop to any of his verifiable mistakes, or back up any of his whackadoodle claims with direct references. If he can't, I'm out - but I do like to give people an opportunity to demonstrate they're not trolling. The nice thing is that it doesn't really matter whether they're trolling or not - someone who is able to admit mistakes is someone worth trying to convince they've made a mistake, and someone who isn't is not. So if you can test the waters with a simple mistake, even if it's not central, you can establish whether there's any point persevering.

    Tomorrow I'm expecting another wall of text responding to every single word except the ones where I ask for such an admission, and I'll have satisfied myself he's a lost cause. I'll try and watch out for his spam on future arithmetic-ragebait threads so I can help the effort to head him off though :P

    BTW did you go on his mastodon profile? He's had a bee in his bonnet about this, and been pushing his wrong ideas of what the distributive law are, since 2023.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    So when you sneer that rules and notation are different, you don't know what those words mean.

    Or you're so devoid of internality that when someone says 'imagine a different notation,' you literally can't.

    There’s no pretending, It’s there in the textbooks

    Show me any textbook that gets the answers you insist on. Show me one textbook where a(b+c)^2^ squares a.

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    Fuck where this started - you're here now, saying 2(8)^2^ is anything but 128. You're that wrong about basic fucking algebra, whilst sneering at everyone else.

    Here's four textbooks across two centuries where a(b+c)^x^ is not (ac+bc)^x^.

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    b*c is the product of b and c.

    Show me one textbook where a(b+c)^2^ gets an a^2^ term. Here's four in a row that say you're full of shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (16 children)

    The result of a multiplication operation is called a product.

    Show me one textbook where a(b+c)^2^ gets an a^2^ term. Here's four in a row that say you're full of shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (14 children)

    Multiplying two things makes them one term.

    "When a product involves a variable, it is customary to omit the symbol X of multiplication. Thus, 3 X n is written 3n and means three times n, and a X b is written ab and means a times b." Modern Algebra: Structure And Method, page 36. Immediately before the definition you're now lying about.

    Fuck your non-sequitur. a(b+c)^2^ is a*(b+c)^2^, as backed up by - for example - these four math textbooks. No textbook will ever say it produces an a^2^ term. You made it up. You're just full of shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (12 children)

    Yes... to make them one.

    a*b and ab are both the product of a and b, and a product is one term. As explained by the textbook you chose.

    a*b^2^ is ab^2^, even if b=(x+y). No textbook you're grasping for contains your made-up exception. They all show what I'm rubbing your nose in. You're just full of shit.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (9 children)

    "a X b is written ab and means a times b."

    Rub rub rub.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (7 children)

    They're more than equal - ab means a*b. It's an identity, which you'd understand, if you weren't lying about being a teacher.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (27 children)

    I think I know what you're missing - perhaps intentionally 🙄 - in a(b+c), c can be equal to 0. It can be any number, not just positive and negative, leaving us with a(b)=(axb), which is also what I've been saying all along (not sure how you missed it, other than to deliberately ignore it)

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (22 children)

    This is your own source - and it says, juxtaposition is just multiplication

    inside brackets. Don't leave out the inside brackets that they have specifically said you must use - "Parentheses must be introduced"! 🤣 BTW, this is a 19th Century textbook, from before they started calling them PRODUCTS 🙄

    E=mc2 is E=(mc)2

    No, it means E=mc² is E=mcc=(mxcxc)

    Throwing other numbers on there

    I have no idea what you're talking about 🙄

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (12 children)

    a=8, b=1, it’s the same thing

    No it isn't! 😂 8 is a single numerical factor. ab is a Product of 2 algebraic factors.

    False equivalence is you arguing about brackets and exponents

    Nope. I was talking about 1/a(b+c) the whole time, as the reason the Distributive Law exists, until you lot decided to drag exponents into it in a False Equivalence argument. I even posted a textbook that showed more than a century ago they were still writing the first set of Brackets. i.e. 1/(a)(b+c). i.e. It's the FOIL rule, (a+b)(c+d)=(ac+ad+bc+bd) where b=0, and these days we don't write (a)(b+c) anymore, we just write a(b+c), which is already a single Term, same as (a+b)(c+d) is a single term, thus doesn't need the brackets around the a to show it's a single Term.

    3(x-y) is a single term...

    This entire thing is about your lone-fool campaign

    Hilarious that all Maths textbooks, Maths teachers, and most calculators agree with me then, isn't it 😂

    insist 2(8)2 doesn’t mean 2*82,

    Again, you lot were the ones who dragged exponents into it in a False Equivalence argument to 1/a(b+c)

    I found four examples, across two centuries

    None of which relate to the actual original argument about 1/a(b+c)=1/(ab+ac) and not (b+c)/a

    You can’t pivot to pretending this is a division syntax issue

    I'm not pivoting, that was the original argument. 😂 The most popular memes are 8/2(2+2) and 6/2(1+2), and in this case they removed the Division to throw a curve-ball in there (note the people who failed to notice the difference initially). We know a(b+c)=(ab+ac), because it has to work when it follows a Division, 1/a(b+c)=1/(ab+ac). It's the same reason that 1/a²=1/(axa), and not 1/axa=a/a=1. It's the reason for the brackets in (ab+ac) and (axa), hence why it's done in the Brackets step (not the MULTIPLY step). It's you lot trying to pivot to arguments about exponents, because you are desperately trying to separate the a from a(b+c), so that it can be ax(b+c), and thus fall to the Multiply step instead of the Brackets step, but you cannot find any textbooks that say a(b+c)=ax(b+c) - they all say a(b+c)=(ab+ac) - so you're trying this desperate False Equivalence argument to separate the a by dragging exponents into it and invoking the special Brackets rule which only applies in certain circumstances, none of which apply to a(b+c) 😂

    2(8)2 is (2*8)2.

    That's right

    are you just full of shit?

    says the person making False Equivalence arguments. 🙄 Let me know when you find a textbook that says a(b+c)=ax(b+c), otherwise I'll take that as an admission of being wrong that you keep avoiding the actual original point that a(b+c) is a single Term, as per Maths textbooks

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