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[–] 103 points 4 months ago (5 children)

None of these are about identifying if you're human, they're about identifying which human you are.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (3 children)

    How does that work?

    The QR code thing I understand, but what about the “select all the fire hydrants” captchas?

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    They combine your browser fingerprint (what extensions you have installed, version, etc), your IP address, and how you move your mouse, how fast you click, etc. It's surprisingly accurate.

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  • [–] 99 points 4 months ago (7 children)

    Name the offending website please.

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  • [–] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    It looks like a Cloudflare interstitial. I also don't think sites get to choose which challenge types show up in reCAPTCHA, so this is on Google.

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  • [–] 20 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Isn't the site choosing to use recaptcha?

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    The site is using Cloudflare for DDoS protection, and unfortunately Cloudflare is probably the most effective tool for this. It also looks like it might be archive.org in the screenshot, and they've been dealing with a lot of DDoS attacks lately.

    I don't think Google advertises "we force you to scan a QR code" as a feature of reCAPTCHA either, so it feels a little weird to me to blame the site for using a DDoS protection tool that in turn uses reCAPTCHA for human verification when Google randomly decides to add a new stupid challenge type.

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  • [–] 46 points 4 months ago (38 children)

    I tried watching some yt in librewolf made me do 5 captchas an i had to switch vpn location so fuck google

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  • [–] 18 points 4 months ago (35 children)

    I have degoogled but YT is the only thing I’m stuck with. The monopoly is too much to overcome.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago* (13 children)

    Creating an infrastructure that could potentially ingest terrabytes of data per second, and then processing it into multiple resolutions, is a massive ask.

    Especially for a new site that might not ever get picked up by users, much less creators.

    I think the only people that have a hope in hell of having a success at starting a youtube competitor are the owners of the big porn sites, since they are in a similar, if much smaller than youtube business with regards to infrastructure demands and processing needs. . So they have the institutional knowledge and infrastructural inertia to get started easier than anyone else on the planet. assuming they want to do a SFW video site, which they may not want to do, and it'd probably be burdened forever with right wing outrage due to any tenuous, distant connection to the porn sites (even if its just porn money or porn owners)

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, every time the topic comes up, this same idea comes up of making individuals bear the financial burden of hosting and bandwidth, without an ounce of understanding how that will never, ever, create a viable youtube alternative.

    And once those problems come up, someone will have the great idea of gathering people into collectives to lower the prices and increase bargaining power.

    Then after that someone will have the idea of reducing costs by moving their individual videos into the same rack, so the costs of hardware, storage, maintenance go down and stability and uptime goes up.

    and before long you arrive back at a youtube like platform, and you've just become the equivalent of techbro reinventing the concept of a train for the 380th time.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Thats not a youtube alternative then. Its a torrent hub 🙄

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Wasn't there some professor that started uploading actual educational non-porn lectures on pornhub a while back?

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I think I know who you are talking about, I recall seeing something about her making more money posting on pornhub than youtube because of greater advertising sharing or something.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    I mean, you could just switch to porn exclusively.

    Hey, maybe that was the plan all along! I just wanted to understand how to fix my car or watch cat videos and now I'm watching a video where some lady is stuffing herself full of, well, everything.

    Big porn wins again dammit!

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  • [+] -12 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    is a massive ask.

    No, it's not. It's a massive request. When you punch out and leave the car lot, be sure to use regular English.

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  • [–] 6 points 4 months ago (5 children)

    If you're on mobile, check out the Greyjay app. It's promoted (sponsored?) by Louise Rossman

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Apparently there was some fallout with futo and him

    Not sure at all about the details, but yeah he definitely backed them. Not sure if he still does though

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    I think he just left to go work on fulu, no bad blood as far as i'm concerned. Anyways grayjay is pretty good, and when the new newpipe comes out that might be an even better choice maybe (but who knows when that'll be?? Tell me).

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I use Freetube, what does Invidious do?

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago*

    There are two ways of using Freetube, either with YouTube’s APi or with Invidious’s APi.

    When using YouTube’s APi you won’t get the same ad-blocking and proxying benefits compared to Invidious’s API.

    One bonus of using Invidious is that your traffic is combined with everyone else’s who use that same instance, for example if you use https://inv.nadeko.net/ your traffic will be masked along side everyone else’s who happens to use that same instance making it harder for big corporations to track you, in this case Google.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (10 children)

    I just quit watching it a few months ago. No big deal, it's all crap and mindless shit anyways.

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  • [–] 12 points 4 months ago (9 children)

    it’s all crap and mindless shit anyways.

    If you click on mindless shit, the algorithm serves you mindless shit. I get documentaries. 🤷

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    you know who else has documentaries?

    PBS.

    support your local public broadcasting stations, people.

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  • [–] 3 points 4 months ago

    Or turn on adblockers and support the people you watch directly (donate, patreon, merch, etc). It takes like $2/yr to replace the ad revenue that you would've generated for them (something like that).

    Or use the alt platforms that creators create themselves when possible.

    You can't escape youtube right now (as in there is no real alternative if you stop using it all together), but you can turn on adblockers (ublock), use 3rd party clients and give something directly to creators you watch a lot.

    And you can support PBS in addition if you want.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago

    you know who else has documentaries?

    PBS.

    support your local public broadcasting stations, people.

    And do you know which documentaries they don't have? The ones that are uploaded by their creators only to YouTube.

    I watch plenty of Arte and I pay the fee but documentaries about video game speedruns etc. simply aren't on Arte (or PBS or Nebula). I watch those where they are: YouTube.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

    I just avoid algorithms. If I want documentaries there are places for those.

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  • [–] 4 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Well, you made a wrong claim that I merely corrected. Watch whatever wherever you want. Doesn't change the fact that the documentary creators I follow for the vast majority only upload to YouTube and those that also upload to Nebula offer a worse experience there.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Lets put it another way: it really is not the youtube that was interesting 20 years ago, and you gotta think that yes, most of it is mindless shit. Or "content" which is just as bad.

    Sure I could dig around and waste time trying to find gold in the sea of crap but why bother.

    And yes, the algorithms do work against you, that is well documented, no matter what you click on.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    What I like about the algorithm is that it suggest you related content (usually).

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    Yes somewhat related, but the algorithm is not trying to help you find related or interesting things. It is trying to find ways to keep you engaged. That is a very different thing.

    It will slowly try to direct you to outrage, polarization, addiction loops, sensationalism and clickbaity videos. It amplifys misinformation because either people fall into believing it OR are so outraged by it they want to comment or rage at it.

    Youtube has an incentive to do these things: more watch time = more ads served = more revenue.

    So people will tell you: just curate what you watch! That fixes it!

    If you are going to curate what you watch, you don't need an algorithm!

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago

    Didn't think about and I guess it's kind of true, happens all the time where I get suggestions that are very bias. But the algorithm has also helped me find good creators, those who's main goal is not to become milliners and good music too. I do spent a lot of time watching YouTube so the engagement thing works, but I don't watch adds so jokes on YouTube.

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    [–] 81 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Not to excuse Google's practices, but you can select the eye icon to continue training an AI to detect buses and bikes.

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  • [–] [S] 32 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Oh, thanks for letting me know. I missed that one, as it isn't all that clear that's what it does.

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  • [–] 21 points 4 months ago

    Recaptcha users will experience some visitor losses.

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    Man i will nope out of this website so quick.

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  • [–] 26 points 4 months ago

    Beware it'd be quite easy to decensor that qr from the image.

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  • [–] 23 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    I'll get hate for referencing a solution that involves AI, but this looks promising: https://github.com/Captcha-Sonic/CaptchaSonic-Extension

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  • [–] 8 points 4 months ago*

    I see phishing opportunity here. Thanks Google

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago

    First time I saw that, I immediately suspected a malware attack.

    If it's not, it soon will be.

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    I dont understand how and why is the phone involved in this check. I assume its a link to a website that authenticates you (probably google), but why not open it in the browser its alread at? Like what recaptcha was already doing for the past decade?

    Im so confused

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  • [–] 14 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    A few years ago I was given a technical deep dive into Akamai’s bot detection systems. One area they were quite focused on were bots impersonating mobile devices, and in particular mobile apps. It’s commonplace for attackers to try to mimic the behavior of mobile apps because it often provides more direct access to the data they’re looking for than trying to scrape websites.

    To counter this threat Akamai developed a library for their customers to incorporate into their apps. This library collects a bunch of haptic data from the mobile device, such as the tilt sensors, accelerometers, finger taps/swipes on the screen, and other available data. It then encrypts it and sends it along to Akamai along with the data the app sends. Akamai then analyzes that haptic data and uses it as part of their bot detection analysis.

    It is VERY difficult for a computer to mimic the truly random way a mobile device moves in space, or the way your fingers tap/swipe on a screen. If you were asked to draw a straight line from the upper left corner to the bottom right corner of your smartphone, not only would it not be perfectly straight but it would be quite fluid in its randomness. Writing a computer program to simulate that would be very tough. You’re far more likely to get lots of short straight lines with jagged angles than something that looks like a human drew it. And computer algorithms can quickly analyze this sort of data and return a confidence score indicating if it appears to have been created artificially or not.

    So my guess is that when that QR code is scanned it will launch a Google app that will collect some similar haptic data and send it off to Google along with a unique id for that captcha. Google will then quickly analyze that haptic data to determine if you’re a bot or not.

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  • [–] 7 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I think they can use remote attestation on the mobile device to prove that it's a physical device. They do that through Google Play Services or whatever the equivalent is on iOS. So, for instance, scanning the QR code on a custom ROM like lineage or GrapheneOS doesn't work.

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    Doesn't clicking on the headphones switch to an audio test like with regular captcha? That's what I do and it works first time instead of getting an endless number of images when I use VPN. The words you enter don't even have to be 100% correct.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 months ago (1 child)

    I don't have a mobile device. Guess I'm not human anymore.

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