"Facts that happened to be true"

Please, shut the fuck up. Fucking shut the fuck up. I am at the end of my wits with this place.

Damn the evil CCCCP and their nefarious plot to *checks notes* tell the truth

OpenAI has published a report

Into the trash it goes.

So... So they ran an information campaign?

The real story is not about Chines influence on data center opinion.

Its openai reading conversations of their customers.

I mean we all already assumed they do before but this is so blatend, it smells like manufactured consent. You need to go from “suspect it happens” to “its normal to be like this”

Those evil Chinese propagandists! How dare they… *flips through notes* tell the truth!?

Their proof is a couple accounts in China asked the chatbot how to convince Americans to not want datacenters in their backyard...

If I asked a chatbot how to convince someone to not like getting punched in the dick, them not wanting to get punched in the dick doesn't mean there's a grand conspiracy and that's why Bob got mad after being punched in the dick.

Bob didn't need anyone to tell him not to like getting punched in the dick to have that response.

Sam Altman seems to be a massive cunt

Why the fuck make up lies for your propaganda when you dont have to.

"facts that happen to be true" aka facts

misinformation campaign

"Facts that happen to be true" what kind of orwellian speak is this?

"These dirty commies! Making everyone woke with their factually correct propaganda! They just want lil ol me to not have my american dream!"

They asked ChatGPT about how to influence Americans views on AI, apparently.

Sure thing.

Another beacon of truth from the company of Sam Altman, known for his honesty and forthrightness

Ugh, people with those pesky facts, very inconvenient! /s

PRC ain't good but this is absurd. Fuck ClosedAI

Uhm, you can run covert compaigns with true facts?

I think this just shows that it's not stopping. They can say the most ridiculous statements in their defense and everyone just moves on.

Open ai doesn't understand propaganda or this was their half hearted attempt to say "well the CCP wants you to think like that"

Yeah this is why everyone hates sam altman and not because he's just going around saying that AI companies are worth more than the entirety of planet earth combined.

Image generation tech in the open source world has skyrocketed in the last few years, and yet OpenAI still has some of the worst image generation models out there. It continues to produce the most generic infographic bullshit that takes any human with half a brain 0.25 seconds to recognize as AI generated. The bias is so heavily-skewed towards this "obviously AI generated" style that I don't think their engineers even give a shit about improving their image model.

If you aren't even going to take the time to actually produce something that looks halfway decent, and you know, doesn't fucking look like AI, why the fuck should I bother taking this "report" seriously?

I don't think China cares about US that much ngl.

Wait. So china pointed out why data centers are bad and were right about it and people agreed?

That's a really weird ass "covert campaign".

Yeah data center bad, but what kills me is the water use thing.

It really seems to rankle peoples bungle, and in both directions, that yes data-center water use is bad, but its just utterly dwarfed in comparison to forms sources of water use. And this is something I can speak to with a fair bit of expertise, in that I've worked extensively in developing water-use analyses for water districts, cities, counties, states, etc. Its just a scale issue and like with that recent Hank Green video about recycling, people truly don't understand how many people there are.

For example, take the MAWA equation (mean average water allowance). Typical indoor water allotment (and there is alot of data to back this up) is about 200 gallons (750 liters) per person per residence per day. That includes toilets, showers, cooking, washing clothing etc..

So lets take the recent number from that NYT article about its data centers water use. I think the number was 2.5 billion gallons?

73,000 gallons would be the average per-person-per-structure indoor only water allotment, which again, is pretty well established.

2.5 billion divided by 73k is about 35k, which is a bit of an over estimate but makes no matter.

All of Amazons datacenters combined "used", and I use "used" lightly here because its not like the water disappeared, but it used less water than a small American town. All of their datacenters combined.

Using duckduckgo to get numbers on this..

Just.. put it into context. Say 1lb of beef takes about 2k gallons of water to produce. The average American consumes 50lbs of beef per year. So an average town of say.. 35k people would go through 3.5 billion gallons of water in beef consumption alone, annually.

And the same equations are going to hold for practically everything else humans consume. Its just... its all a matter of scale. And I agree, datacenters are not good. But the water-use argument is weak when you consider just.. something basic and well established like beef consumption, or golf courses. 2.5 billion gallons is like, 120 golf courses worth of water. Its practically nothing.

Fun Fact: the American Govt. has okay'ed giving China GPU's now that they get a cut of the profits. 🙄

We need a radio free America paid for by the Chinese.