Mormon leaders, military veterans and elected officials reacted with anger to a new Department of Defense policy that does not consider The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to be a Christian religion as part of a wider effort to cut down the U.S. military’s list of recognized faiths.

“The Pentagon’s decision to list The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints apart from other Christian faiths is wrong and needs to be corrected,” Republican Rep. Mike Kennedy, of heavily Mormon Utah, wrote on X on Sunday.

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[–] 86 points 5 months ago (1 child)

Fascists shocked to find themselves on the wrong end of the stick.

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  • [–] 250 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    The in-group just got a little bit smaller

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  • [–] 78 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    There's plenty of great videos on how this works in fascist circles by people, such as Innuendo Studios:

    https://youtu.be/5Luu1Beb8ng?is=YM8DFDYAOYQRNjrn

    He has a whole series on the alt-right. Wonderful analysis.

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  • [–] 34 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    One of my favorite YouTube series. If you’ve got some time, do yourself a favor and watch all of them. There is a playlist on the channel.

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    That's how it always goes with fascist and bigots. The in-group gets smaller with each victory until the in-group has no allies anymore.

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  • [–] 78 points 5 months ago

    Guess what, self-described "good Christian"s of America, you're going to get kicked out of the in-group as soon as it's convenient for the MAGA Republican party.

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  • [–] 70 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Your space unicorn isn't the true space unicorn.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    The true space unicorn was foretold by reading tales of it off golden tablets in a hat

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  • [–] 42 points 5 months ago (11 children)

    I am sure that after some suitable donations to dear leader Trump, this obvious erroneous matter will be sorted.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (10 children)

    They have more than enough money. Actually I wonder which church is the wealthiest. My money is on either Scientology or Mormonism.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    I'd guess the catholic church has significantly more wealth than either of those.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    it's not just all the gold, jewels, real estate and all the holy relics. the Catholic church also owns tonnes of priceless art. True masterworks that would fetch hundreds of millions at auction. the Mormons dont even know where they misplaced the golden tablets that joseph smith received from God.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    It's Mormons. There's also a ton of them at the federal level too.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    I dunno, this list shows multiple organizations that fall under the Catholic church with wealth in the 10s to 100s of billions.

    If you're talking monetary/liquid wealth then it is probably the Mormons, but the catholic church is much larger and older. They have been amassing wealth for a very long time. Though, functionally it is irrelevant. They both have the ability to wield massive political influence.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Mormons became the richest church around 15 years ago.

    The catholics are far far behind.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wealthiest_religious_organizations

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  • [–] 110 points 5 months ago (9 children)

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  • [+] 14 points 5 months ago* (6 children)
  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    laughter

    Edit: Aaaand the gif didn't work. Great.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Your edit made me laugh, so task failed successfully? ¯_(ツ)_/¯

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Haha, I'll take it!

    But just imagine that it actually shows the gif from George of the Jungle where they throw their heads back and laugh 😉

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  • [–] 26 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Pete gets his theology from Chick tracts.

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  • [–] 25 points 5 months ago

    Mormons should use their wealth and connections to sue the DOD into reversing Hegseth's policies, and do so alongside other injured parties.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    And as soon as Catholics cease to be useful, they’re out, too

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    The evangelicals already hate Catholics and say they’re not “true” Christians because they worship Mary.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Which is, quite frankly, an argument that holds some weight if you're concerned about splitting hairs regarding religious purity (and it's an argument that's been going on for a very long time). I won't be surprised if we wind up with a schism and official American Christian Church out of all this.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago

    Lmao. I love fascist infighting

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  • [–] 20 points 5 months ago

    Ha trump administration showing favoritism. That not new btw.

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  • [–] 35 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    It was the fuck aroundest of times.

    It was the find outest of times.

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  • [–] 49 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Did you know that Mormons are actually preferentially given security clearances, since the United States Constitution is one of the foundational documents of their faith? Do you realize how many people with positions near nuclear sites, NSA datacenters, and CIA operations these bumblefucks are aggravating?

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  • [–] 59 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Did you know that Mormons are actually preferentially given security clearances, since the United States Constitution is one of the foundational documents of their faith?

    I didn't know that about LDS folks. Being a founding document of their faith, they must really be in support of the Constitution and would oppose all who would desecrate the document and its principles of law and liberty.

    "According to Fox News’ 2024 election exit poll, among the Latter-day Saints surveyed 64% supported Trump and 32% supported Vice President Kamala Harris." source

    ...oh, nevermind.

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  • [–] 56 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Religious zealots are not exactly known for their reading comprehension when it comes to their holy texts.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 child)

    They understand it in the same regard as the people handing out the clearances, nothing to worry about.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    For several years, ending ~2005, the guy in charge of security clearances was literally rubber stamping them. Literally anyone who got the paperwork on his desk got one.

    Every journalist should be trying at all times.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    This is because most Mormons go on missions to other countries and know a second language from doing so. Its an asset to the government to have traveled people who speak multiple languages after all especially those from a religious background who fall in line easily and are usually conservative.

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    Yep, and they don't tend to be addicted to any substances or gambling. There are many reasons. The point being that, for one reason or another, many of the intelligence services and highest-clearance positions are filled with Mormons, and the government just told them that they aren't part of the club anymore.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago

    .. as you sow, so shall you reap ..

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago* (5 children)

    What does it mean when a religion is officially recognised by the military? Do they get extra time for prayers or something?

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  • [–] 23 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    It's actually primarily for counseling and emotional care purposes, lifestyle accommodations, as well as planning for the worst in the event that someone is killed in action.

    If you get shot and die, they need to be able to know how to treat your body after death.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    They really just want to stop service members from putting "Jedi Knight" on their dog tag under the religion section. Not joking lol

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    As a deployment manager that made dog tags for a few years, we didn't care. Jedi, Pastafarian, Dudist, whatever. You are doing your country a service that most people can't really comprehend. I'll put whatever you want in that section as long as the other stuff that actually matters is correct.

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    If you think the average person can understand what it is like to give up ultimate control of your life in 6-year chunks, I have some bad news for you.

    People in the military are bound by law to do whatever is necessary for the mission regardless of the cost to them. For over 20 years, I lived moment to moment assuming that with no notice, I could be sent to the other side of the globe without my immediate family. During my time in, I was deployed to a remote country, in a war zone, with no notice, while my wife dealt with the consequences. During that time, I had very limited contact with my spouse, and what time I did have was regularly interrupted with literal attacks that could have killed me.

    Beyond my experience there, my spouse had to deal with the fact that I would occasionally just leave in the middle of a call, because rocket attack.

    So, pardon me if I am skeptical of your claim that most people can understand that I now drive past litter on the side of the road cautiously because it might be a bomb. And that is just the start of the weird differences I have experienced transitioning from military life into being a civilian.

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  • [–] 32 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I wish Mormons would be outraged over something that mattered, like the sexual abuse in their church, or the fact their church supporting mormon thieves and scammers across the country, who have stolen over a billion dollars from their fellow Americans.

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    [–] 14 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    When you accept that others rights can be taken away, you must also accept that your own rights can be taken away.

    If you accept that groups can be excluded from society, you must also accept that your group may one day be excluded.

    If you accept that might makes right, you must accept that one mightier than yourself will one day come along.

    If you live by the sword, you will likely die by the sword.

    Idk how many times this has to happen throughout history before people act learn from it.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago

    Not just that, their society is fiercely hierarchical, so by its very nature there is already always someone directly above them, and this particular movement has already shown that they don't see them as equals.

    In the wise words of Jello Biafra:

    In the real Fourth Reich you'll be the first to go

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    honestly a bit surprised he'd start a fight with the FBI like that

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Both the LDS and Scientology put a ton of work into getting their members into federal service for... reasons.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    if only trump knew, tell comrade trump there's been a mistake, good president bad secdef etc

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    oh I did not realize they were out to. uniatrians, bahai, and lds. I mean a lot more including wiccans

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    LDS is Christian the way a pineapple is an apple. Petey can go fuck himself though.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    One just has golden plates and the other doesn't. Pretty much the same thing.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    It really isn't. The amount of control they exercise over their congregants and money they require to stay in good standing is astronomical compared to lost other christian denominations. Their propaganda, investment and political arms make them the biggest existential threat to North American democracy and culture as a centralized religious organization.

    Not to mention the basis of the faith is that Jesus came to America and your skin color determines if your ancestors were sinners. That's cuckoo bananas even by christian standards.

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    The amount of control they exercise over their congregants and money they require to stay in good standing is astronomical compared to lost other christian denominations.

    Wait til you hear about how greedy the Catholic Church was before & during the Reformation. New denomination, same religion. This is just how faiths inevitably evolve.

    Also Mormonism—though I hate using this aphorism because it’s not even true—is as American as apple pie, there’s really no threat to be spoken of here in the usual sense of the word. It’s existed for more or less 200 years now, subsisting along with every other facet of its surrounding culture. Mormonism is American society, it wouldn’t have become so widespread without it.

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago

    Dum-da-dum-dum-dum!

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I wonder what the officially recognized denomination of Christian will be when they keep cutting.

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    The obvious flaw in Christian Nationalism - what kind of Christian? It's such an easy way to turn MAGA in on itself. ention the Pope and they'll fight among themselves. Billboards in Salt Lake City informing them of this decision. Every time Trump wheels out some spiritual con artist be sure to mention their denomination. This isn't hard.

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