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[–] [S] 177 points 5 months ago (34 children)
  • [–] 93 points 5 months ago (14 children)

    these symbols seem to render very differently on different devices. i got a wheel of hatchets, an eight-pointed star, and two futhark runes on desktop.

    ...which is why it's at the very least irresponsible for them to send something like this. if there is actually intent here that only makes it worse.

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  • [–] 80 points 5 months ago

    My favorite part was that GoG was told they cannot send this email in Germany because it would break the Nazi rule so they purposely get blocked their emails to getting to Germany.

    In other words, they knew.

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  • [–] 150 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Their “apology” actually admitted that they knew about the potential for rendering differences. They say they knew that certain symbols could render as Nazi icons, which is why they specifically excluded those symbols from the email they sent to German accounts.

    But if we extend that same “we didn’t send it to Germany” thing to the logical conclusion, it means they intentionally sent it to everyone else even when knowing the potential for issues.

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  • [–] 79 points 5 months ago

    I made a complaint last year about one of their emails having a giant banner saying "MAKE GAMING GREAT AGAIN!" they made mildly appropriate noises. Seemed like the person on the other end really just wanted me to fuck entirely off asap.

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago

    they specifically excluded those symbols from the email they sent to German accounts

    And even that they fucked up, because it seems like they just removed them from the German language version of the email. German accounts set to English (like mine) got the symbols like everyone else.

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  • [+] -12 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    This is a protocol, you can't memorize the reason behind every protocol you can only incorporate it into routine otherwise you would have to memorize a set of encyclopedias that shifts like aand on a desert.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    What do you mean by protocol? I mean I understand your analogy, but not what protocol is an analogy for.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    not OP, but i hear people using "playbook" in similar situations (if I'm understanding stupidcasey right)

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks, but I still don't get it

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago

    Developers: you can't use unused Unicode to represent photos, such a simple string of Data could be interpreted an infinite different ways If there isn't unity.

    Marketing team: bah humbug, what's the worst thing that could happen...

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Do you happen to have your GOG account in Germany or in German language?

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    I don't have the email but I would assume those emojis in this case are Slavic neopaganist symbols, also known as rodnovery.

    https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Rodnover_symbols

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  • [–] 91 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Yes, but. Big but.

    The devs of the games included in that email signed off on it before it went out. The version the devs were shown had no "runes" included.

    GOG has acknowledged that those runes can display on some devices distinctly as the symbol for the SS, so they did not send this email to subscribers subscribed in the German language. Instead of just using a different fucking symbol, or not using it twice in a row.

    As far as I understand it, those are pretty random runes, not specifically Slavic at all.

    Taken as a whole, it shows that they had some idea of how this would appear, and they went through with it anyway, for no obvious benefit.

    Not a good look.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago* (2 children)

    Viewing this runes as they are, it comes to my mind the Black Sun symbol as 1st thought.

    Edit: shit the game is called End of the Sun.

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  • [–] 17 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The devs covered that, they were not aware of any dogwhistles with the symbols they used during development, and once they were made aware of said dogwhistles, they spent the time to remove them from the game as thoroughly as possible

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  • [–] 45 points 5 months ago

    Notice there is no double sig in there. Also note that Rodnovery is a neopagan religion, associated with nationalism. It's the Slavic equivalent the Norse pantheon fetishism you see in the West in the form of Odinism.

    You should assume they're Nazi symbols because they are, even if Nazis stole a lot of symbols from everyone else. The sig was first adapted into the double sig in 1929 to be used as the Schutzstaffel logo

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  • [+] -34 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    "those emojis"

    They're not emojis, at all. Emojis are pictures with a very specific and limited set. They're ascii characters.
    You calling them emojis is "grandma calling your Xbox a "Nintendo Station"" level dumb.

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  • [–] 62 points 5 months ago (20 children)

    People defending this as "those are lighning bolts, not everyone knows it's nazi imagery" are american, right?

    Like, everyone in Europe knows this is strictly and unmistakably nazi imagery, especially in Poland. There is no wiggle room for not knowing; that's not even an excuse GOG themselves are trying to make, because if they tried to use that excuse then literally no one with the ability to read it in Europe would be uneducated enough to fall for it.

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    People defending this as “those are lighning bolts, not everyone knows it’s nazi imagery” are american, right?

    Nah, they know what they are. They're trying to a) downplay the symbol's significance and normalize displaying it and b) get a "snowflake got triggered by lightning bolts" own out of it.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago

    I'm sure there are some fash doing this, but a lot of comments here seem extremely naive and forgiving. And they come from lib instances, which I have grievances with, just not regarding dogwhistling & normalizing fascism (unless it comes out of UA...)

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  • [+] -27 points 5 months ago (16 children)

    It was used in Poland as a symbol of feminism when women protested against criminalization of abortion.

    This is why it became nazi imagery, declared and sanctioned by polish right-wing government because they needed an excuse to stop the movement.

    You from america, friend?

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I'm gonna need some proof of this. I wonder why a German, designing a sign for the German members of the SS in 1929 (10 years before Germany invaded Poland), would choose a sign with the purpose of harming a Polish feminist/pro-abortion movement.

    It makes no sense and I can't find any sources saying anything like that at all.

    So cough up some sources. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

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  • [+] -13 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    https://natemat.pl/324721,symbol-czerwonej-blyskawicy-co-oznacza-czerwony-piorun-na-strajku-kobiet

    Article is in Polish, but I thing google translate or DeepL should work for you to get the gist. They picked this symbol as "lightning"

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    One lightning bolt by itself is a very different meaning to 2 right next to each other.

    Especially so when next to a Black Sun

    Double lightning bolt is unmistakably a nazi symbol.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    Yeah, but also the red lightning bolt sign of the polish pro-abortion movement was introduced in 2016. The SS sign with the sigrune was introduced in 1929.

    If nazis had time travel, how did they manage to screw their war effort up so badly? They must have been even worse tacticians than we thought!

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Dude, you got the timeline completely wrong: https://www.obieg.pl/en/210-the-red-lightning-of-all-poland-women-s-strike-forwards-and-backwards

    The red lightning sign as part of the polish pro-abortion movement came into existence in 2016! A whopping 87 years AFTER the Nazis created the SS sign.

    If the Nazis made the sign to discredit poland's pro-abortion movement, they would have needed time travel to do so.

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Idk about the polish feminist movement, but, respectfully, what the fuck are you on about

    (Polish feminist lightning bolt I could find with 5s of research, they seem to do a pretty good job at differentiating their logo by having a single bolt with a different shape that is red and black instead of black and white. Red and black are usually associated with anti fascism btw)

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  • [+] -9 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    What are you on about? Red and black anti fascism? Like, I dunno, people who wore those uniforms?

    Yes, I am talking about this symbol. And while on the image you picked it clearly looks more like lightning, the narrower version was used too. And the idea that "SS" and "S" is the very same thing is just bonkers. All the alphabet would be symbols of hate by now.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)
  • [+] -6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Oh god.

    So swastika (a hindu symbol) got taken by nazis and now nazi colours are taken by anti-nazis.

    And everyone still thinks they know definitely what specific symbol/colour/letter symbolizes?

    I'm giving up. I'm never correcting anyone on nazis ever again. If someone tells me that rainbow was used by hitler-lovers, I will just accept it as possible.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Just shut up, please. Your stupidity and lack of even basic knowledge is exhausting.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Front

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  • [–] 30 points 5 months ago

    This is really the whole incident is more than the sum of it's parts stuff, but in a negative way.

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  • [–] 106 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    Gaben, "we aren't a monopoly there's plenty of other publishers to buy from"

    GOG

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  • [–] 174 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Steam once again using the winning strategy of doing nothing while your opponent fucks up

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  • [–] 50 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    interesting how easily is for a company to not shoot itself in the foot if they don't have public shareholders

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Crap, there's a quote about doing that, I just can't remember whether it was Technoblade, Sun Tzu or Emperor Rosselle who said it...

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago

    "Found my grandpa's helmet. He must've been an electrician or something."

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  • [–] 19 points 5 months ago*

    I see what you mean

    had they used 1 or 3 of the symbol instead, I don't think we'd have this problem

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  • [–] 12 points 5 months ago (1 child)
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    Epic use of Epic Rap Battles clip

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago*

    Good Old Games Goebbels

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  • [–] 53 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    This is the top of the email:

    This is the typeset of the game they're promoting:

    This looks like a monumentally stupid fuckup. Never attribute to malice that what can be easily attributed to stupidity, incompetence, or negligence.

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  • [–] 51 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    They knew the sig "runes" were problematic before sending out the email, as they said they removed them for their German customers, but then kept it for everyone else. They knew, but decided to keep of in anyway.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago

    ffs, why must everything good turn out to be shit. well, gog hasnt been THAT good, but it has been nice extra thing. knowing companies cant do anything without having at least 6 meetings about it, there is no way this went unnoticed by people there, so i rule out rogue actor doing this.

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  • [–] 43 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I'm sorry, not with the fucking double sig rune. You can't be that brain dead to not see and know it is the symbol of the fucking SS and then even try to dance around German laws against the usage of NS-symbols and even fuck that up.

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  • [–] 67 points 5 months ago

    People can shit on Valve all they want, but at least they never went full Nazi.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    I got the email three days ago here in America, I didn't look at it at the time. I dunno if Gmail can edit an email after I've received it, I suppose they can. Here's how it rendered just now when I opened it. I'm not defending anything, I just wanted to show what I found::

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    In not linking reddit, which has way more details about how it went about.

    https://www.theverge.com/games/945088/gog-apologizes-email-nazi-symbols-the-end-of-the-sun

    In email marketing, you typically send emails in batches. Sometimes for A/B testing, other times to avoid spam catchers/overloading the system. Or sometimes for geo location purposes (like everyone gets the email at 8am, so it batches it to time zone)

    The GoG reps said they sent it to a small batch and after the call out, stop the email sends and fixed it.

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    What exactly happened? Newsletter email name had some nazi symbols as far as I can see. But why? Did they stated something for nazi? Or was it just a hacker prank? Any statements like at all?

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  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago

    Their excuse is that it's a rendering issue. The OG message they intended to send wasn't better in any measure, and they skipped sending the mail to people with german as their GOG language, so imo they did intend to send nazi shit and judt hoped nobody would make a fuss

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    Ofc GOG became bad after They started requiring devs to use AI tools for the GOG Galaxy client.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    The transphobic company is also a nazi company.

    I am shocked, shocked I say.

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago

    Steam: "Suck my robot balls"

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  • [–] 3 points 5 months ago

    pretty certain itwas mostly a font rendering fuck-up. that being said, the should have diyched the symbols altogether.

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Stupid marketing fuckup. Still it's my preferred store because no DRM.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

    If no one gets fired over this, then it's not a marketing fuckup. It just means they don't mind nazis there.

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  • [–] 0 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Why must someone get fired? If this is a mistake, I'm perfectly fine with that person getting yelled at.

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago

    Because there is no way ϟϟ was sent by mistake. This is a character combination that has one use. And is irrelevant to slavic history. And they accompanied it with a kolovrat. This is the guy who invented the kolovrat as a pseudo slavic neopagan symbol. If it was just one ϟ it would be iffy at best, but you know, benefit of the doubt, maybe they copy-pasted a random selection from some random neopagan website. This is the specific combination that has one (1) known use.

    The kolovrat alone reeks of neonazism, the ϟϟ is exclusively a nazi symbol, there is no wiggle room

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago

    This does make me think we should brand this onto the forehead of every ICE member

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