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[–] 213 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Update first, then upgrade

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  • [–] [S] 70 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Good catch. Haven’t been using apt in some time.

    sudo pacman -Syu

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  • [–] 106 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    Update before upgrade you nonce

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  • [–] 22 points 5 months ago* (6 children)

    Didn't know we were still doing apt-/get

    I have a lot to learn

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    iirc, apt-get is the version to use in scripts. They keep the input & output consistent so that it won't break things.

    Regular old apt is for humans to use at the command prompt, and that's what I use all the time.

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    How is apt better for humans?

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    Less options and it expects user input, so when you update and there's a changelog or warning, it shows it to you and you can read it. It doesn't continue because it thinks you're there reading it. The options and output are subject to change, so you don't want it in a script. Apt-get will always have the same options and expected output for automation purposes.

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Or if you're me, yay -Syu and wait 4 fucking hours (Because you barely ever remember to do it).

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  • [–] 21 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    "Fun" fact: Windows is finally just now, in the year of our lord 2026, trying to release some updates as "live". As in not requiring reboot.

    It's going better than you'd expect, but still far worse than they have any excuse for.

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Not exactly correct. They are releasing their hot patch service more broadly. These are updates that would normally require a restart no longer need to be restarted.

    Just like Linux though, if you didn’t want to restart after updating you never really were forced to.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    thats only if it actually downloads and installs. our enterprise windows installs like to take 5-10 attempts to actually get the software onto the computer. "Install failed. retry?"

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Odd, most companies don’t have problems with them.

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  • [–] 37 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    I just want to share that last semester, the Windows podium computer we used decided randomly to update during a student presentation. It did not help their nerves, but I did turn it into a chance to evangelize Linux.

    And no, they can't use their own laptop, the connections to the podium computer, and thus the projector, use VGA...

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  • [–] 15 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    Not that it matters much but isn't there cheap adapters to/from VGA?

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    Yes but it's generally easier and less prone to issues to just open their PowerPoint (or really, Google sheets) on the podium since I'm already using it. I'm sure the admin uses adapters as their excuse not to update the hardware though... (even if they are still using Win 11 on decades old computers).

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Honestly, I would prefer if a video projector wasn't tossed as garbage if you can just buy a cheap adapter and put it in a box next to the podium.

    We have enough electronic waste as it is!

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  • [–] 7 points 5 months ago

    Yes, same; the real solution is Linux podium with an adapter in every room by default. But that's not happening anytime soon, lol.

    Technically it's not the projector with the issue either, the podium is more or less a very fancy hub with a monitor built in. I feel like the adapter could just be built in if necessary, lol.

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  • [–] 18 points 5 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 16 points 5 months ago (5 children)

    You misspelled pacman -Syu

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    No, you misspelled zypper dup. But with enough time, you'll get there.

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  • [–] 14 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    genini update my machine

    Because I'm apparently a raging masochist

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago

    sorry, usage of this tool has been discontinued, please use [WORSE TOOL WITH DIFFERENT NAME]

    (joking but not really, gemini-cli is going to the google graveyard, replaced by antigravity-cli that's basically the same, but in google's tradition it launches with less features and also it's not FOSS)

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  • [–] 13 points 5 months ago (13 children)

    KDE Plasma recommends applying updates at reboot like Windows for stability. In fact, that is how it does them by default

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (8 children)

    KDE Plasma does what I tell it to

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    Sure, what I'm saying is the "windows way" of applying updates isn't bad and there's a reason why they do it

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago (3 children)

    And what he's saying is it's his life. It's now or never. No one's gonna live forever. He just wants to live while he's alive. It's. His. Life!

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago* (3 children)

    Wait, plasma does your system updates? I don't think it's an appropriate chain of commands

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Discover is integrated with the rest of Plasma, so if you run your upgrades via Discover on Plasma, it'll use Plasma settings. The same goes if you update with the little button in Plasma's taskbar

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  • [–] 24 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Linux noob here. Just upgraded hardware and reinstalled Windows and Linux on the gaming computers and even though I'm a complete Linux beginner, 9 out of 10 software issues were with windows! I couldn't believe a gazzilion dollar company with thousands of employees still couldn't get it right?

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I reinstalled Windows 11 a while ago because of a software I struggled to get working on Linux (the adobe installer patches for WINE have since resolved that) and I had no idea how annoying the installation process is. You had to babysit it, and tell it your life's story. Not to mention the amount of times it asked me to sign up for MS 365 and OneDrive. In the end, it enabled OneDrive anyway, despite me telling it to sod off at least half a dozen times.

    And that's just the install process. Using it is another beast entirely. Why do I need to accept a UAC prompt just to open a browser? Why does the browser need to update itself every time I boot the OS?

    Why do I have to hunt all over the internet for basic stuff that should come with the OS itself? Even when I used an NVidia card I didn't have to faff around with some stupid third party software to handle drivers, it was just there. Sure it broke all the time because NVidia is a garbage company, but it was right there!

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    It's the other way around, but yes, very much yes

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago

    As someone who works on Windows daily... this is so true. One of the things that really annoys me with Windows is being able to reliably do updates. Running any of the update stuff, seems more like a suggestion and if Windows deems your request worthy, it might SLOWLY do something.

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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    For those who are confident in their system setup

    sudo apt update && sudo apt upgrade -y && sudo apt autoremove -y
    
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  • [–] 11 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Aaaand... you're on Debian, so Blender 4.0 just got added to the testing branch. (Blender 4.0 still haven't been tested for 168 hours of continuous running without touching it)

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago

    It's a good thing system packages (which should follow a conservative update approach if possible to guarantee system stability, unless hardware demands newer packages) and user applications (which you'd usually want to be most up-to-date) are increasingly isolated from each other and mostly able to follow their own schedules. Also improves security and such.

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (4 children)

    sudo apt upgrade && sudo apt full-upgrade && sudo apt autopurge

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  • [–] 10 points 5 months ago (3 children)

    On Fedora live update is turned of by default with a warning saying updating without rebooting is not recommended. As a cautious noob, I left it as is. Too cautious?

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  • [–] 6 points 5 months ago* (1 child)

    No. Fedora sometimes updates configs or packages (e.g. kernel) that require a reboot to take advantage of. If you're a linux veteran you can decide by yourself if or if not you need to reboot. But fedora wants to have a stable and smooth experience for all its users.

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago

    dnf update

    apt has the added irk of being split into update/upgrade plus apt-get for scripts.

    And the default apt search sucks lol

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  • [–] 9 points 5 months ago (9 children)

    Every single time I’ve run upgrade on Debian, I’ve bricked my install. I’m sure I’m doing something wrong πŸ˜†

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (7 children)

    I'm probably a big newb, but on my headless Debian machines, major updates screw me up sometimes too.

    • "Ah! All my updates can't be found on the server? Oh we're done with "Bo-Peep" and moving to "PotatoHead" now? Maybe I should be on the newsletter or something..."
    • Change some sources in that one text file I gotta look up every time...
    • apt update && apt dist-upgrade "Oh, that's a lot of errors..."

    I'm sure it's not that bad and I'm being dramatic but I do kinda appreciate my rolling OpenSUSE Tumbleweed for this reason lol. I feel like newbies would struggle with that major release upgrade process...

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (6 children)

    Watch out! People in here looove Debian for some reason

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago (2 children)

    Haha Debian is really cool and I'm glad it's there! Definitely rock solid! Don't wanna throw any shade at their very important work. :)

    ...I'm just too goofy to update it properly sometimes. πŸ˜… Skill issue lol.

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  • [–] 4 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    Ironically I had numerous discussions with people claiming updates often break rolling distros like Arch, and I'm in the same boat as you - only ever had issues with major upgrades on Debian

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  • [–] 2 points 5 months ago*

    Haha, I'm seriously wondering if there's not some kind of script we're supposed to run first that's like "Okay, new stable release now. Fetch and replace the latest repos!" Maybe in the desktop environment?

    At least like with most things, Linux Mint I remember being so easy to upgrade to a whole new release right there in that universal update program. I don't have to worry about that tangling up anyone I set up with it. It actually feels exciting hahaha.

    All that being said: Rolling or point release or whatever -- SET UP SNAPSHOTS. YOU'RE WELCOME. o_o hahaha

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  • [–] 8 points 5 months ago* (3 children)

    choco upgrade all

    Not a built-in, of course, but chocolatey gets you Linux-like package manager behavior on Windows. With it you can run headless software installs and automatically update software. It's great for remote/VM management.

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    I autorun paru -Syyu while my computer is in the process of booting up /S

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    he ran it in the wrong order πŸ’”βœŒοΈ

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  • [–] 5 points 5 months ago (1 child)

    I have no artistic skills so freebie: Arch is like Russian roulette where the odds are good but there is still a non-zero chance some update is going to shit the bed. I don't even know how to convey that in meme form either.

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