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[–] 1 point 1 year ago

Shit like this is why I doubt it when people say you can learn English by learning the spelling of sounds, because no you can’t.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yacht

    All Yakked Up

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  • [–] 58 points 1 year ago* (12 children)

    The term, yacht, originates from the Dutch word jacht (pl. jachten), which means "hunt", and originally referred to light, fast sailing vessels that the Dutch Republic navy used to pursue pirates and other transgressors around and into the shallow waters of the Low Countries.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    We also use the word for hunting in fighter jets (jachtvliegtuig = hunt airplane, straaljager = jet hunter), imagine Dutch being as influential now as is was then; we'd have yacht airplanes.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Yes, and a Polish person tells me this is the correct way to make the Yah sound at the start of the English word, yacht.

    I imagine it's the same for the Germans, Dutch, and Scandinavians. Though perhaps not for the French or Spanish.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    fun fact: the word "Yacht" derives from old german "Jagd", which means hunt, it was used by the dutch as "Yacht" and the fast sailing boats got their names from there. But basically, all germanic, slavic and romantic languages pronounce the vowels the same way EXCEPT english, where they fuck up literally every single vowel

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    Yacht is also feminine in german (instead of the more pleasing das Yacht...) for the same reason as you say:

    https://lemmy.ml/post/31227837/19058439

    (thanks to @ephera@lemmy.ml and @barsoap@lemmy.ee for the explanations)

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

    Das Yacht sounds pleasing to you? I can understand why, given das Schiff, das Boot, etc.*, but I much prefer die Yacht, because of die Macht. Can I ask if you’re a native speaker/like native (for example if you learned German from age three in school) or a nonnative speaker?

    I ask because I’m a nonnative German teacher and there are certain geni that bother basically all nonnative speakers (das Lob should clearly be der Lob, for example) but don’t stand out to native speakers and I’m very interested in the language sense that people develop as native vs nonnative speakers.

    • die Fregatte, die Trireme, und die Galeone unter anderen sind aber auch weiblich und sind auch Fremdwörter für bestimmte Arten Schiffe.
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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Yeah I'm non-native. Natur is another one that triggers me, mostly because of the mother nature connotation in english

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  • [–] 32 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    This sound like something someone who only speaks English would say.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, it is an extremely typical native English speaking monolinguist take. They always manage to find examples that are common in basically all languages and assuming it is some esoteric English language quirp.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    As someone who learned English in school, I can assure you that the word "yacht" is rather at the bottom of the list of troubles.

    See: "The Chaos" (poem)

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  • [–] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html

    It's way longer than I remember. I think I only ever saw an abridged version or something.

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  • [–] 104 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    You don't have to blur fucking on Lemmy.

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    [–] 17 points 1 year ago (19 children)

    Bitch please:

    Skildvagtslymfeknudeundersøgelse

    Welcome to Danish.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän. Actual word for an actual job that existed until 1991. Welcome to German.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    eh people always point to German but they just use compound words more often. if you know the parts that make up the word it shouldn't be hard to parse.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    that makes german easier than most other languages, for example french, where they just invent new sounds to fuck with foreigners and use a new or loanword for any complex situation, instead of just compounding the information

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Hottentottententententoonstelling in Dutch. It means hottentot tent exhibition

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    "Sentinel lymph node examination." Probably not a word that comes up much day-to-day.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Nope, but it does come up if you get tested for breast cancer.

    Point is, that yacht isn't a difficult word at all. Especially not if you're European, since the word for yacht in many European languages is... yacht.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I mean I have no idea what that means but I bet it breaks down into something resembling a good descriptor. English causes issues with four letter words with two O's in the middle.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    It's a medical term or word or whatever. But it is not easy to pronounce at all. That's the thing with Danish. We have a lot of letters that are silent or changes sound depending on what letters they are next to and sometimes just because.

    Even if you have skildvagtslymfeknudeundersøgelse broken down for you, I doubt you'd be able to pronounce it correctly because several repeat letters in that word are pronounced differently and some of them are silent.

    Words like: ord, ost, mos, mos and orden all have vastly different ways of pronouncing the o and mos and mos are completely different words with completely different pronunciations where you can literally only tell which one it is based on context in the text. By themselves, you will not know.

    Every language has their little quirks like that, but everybody knows how to pronounce yacht as yacht is the word for fancy boat in many languages. The post above is basically like being impressed that a foreigner knows how to pronounce "okay".

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Fascinating- I don’t speak Danish but I can _almost_read that. Enough to assume it has to do with thyroids and lymph nodes.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    It is a medical word for getting tested for breast cancer. I didn't bring it up because it is a difficult word to understand, but because it is difficult to pronounce correctly without stumbling over it. Yacht is not difficult in any way since our word for yacht is also yacht and because the spellings and sounds are pretty common in for example German, which is another language we are being taught from an early age.

    Of course, all languages and their difficulties are relative depending on where in the world you live, but if you're European, especially western European, then it is pretty silly to be impressed that people can pronounce yacht.

    Having a long word like skildvagtslymfeknudeundersøgelse is a lot more tricky since it's a bit of a tongue twister to pronounce and if you aren't well versed in Danish, you will also not know when or how to pronounce each letter, as several of them have different sounds or no sounds at all at different places in the word. That is why I brought it up.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    Hm the word yacht is easy, it means Jacht :-)

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago* (11 children)

    I'm so glad that fucking was censored (although not really at all censored, since I can clearly still see the word), I would have been offended if it wasn't.

    Imagine bad language on the internet.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    rawdogging implies more than to just stay sober. You can rawdog an exam, which just means you enter with no learning. You can rawdog a meeting, meaning no preparation, you can rawdog a dish, meaning no recipe used. Rawdogging is much more philosophical than people attribute it to

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It's to prevent an algorithm from deranking the content, not to prevent humans from seeing it. Obviously pointless on the Fediverse, but many people do it on other social media platforms.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    And the algorithm is programmed to follow particularly American puritanical values, as they are aimed at the American consumer market, but of course on account of the universal nature of the internet, we all get to enjoy the results of it now.

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    When I learned that the proper pronunciation of the word queue is basically a letter q followed by a bunch of silent letters, I had to take a break for a while. I enjoy the sound of English language, so that kept me going afterwards, but I am still salty.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (10 children)

    In a sick way I'm glad it's the language I was raised with. On the other hand, maybe the British should have conquered less.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Meanwhile I learned this weekend how to pronounce "dandelion" from watching a Beavis and Butthead clip. And I haven been speaking English for decades, in both professional and social settings.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    You just have to learn the pronounciation of words from audio/video instead of the spelling.

    It's way easier than having to memorize the grammatical gender of each and every noun or all the word-specific exceptions for irregular declinations.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

    I agree that English is easier to learn than German (spelling excluded), and word genders are an annoying facet of learning German, but it does get easier. Eventually you can develop a language sense and you can infer the gender from the form, meaning, and origin of the word with a pretty high success rate.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    Grammatical genders are one of these points where you can pick up that someone's not a native speaker even if after they lived in the country for 30 years. Their only real point seems to be to trip up foreigners.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Yeah, I should have been more clear. It can be learned, with a good basis of language instruction and ongoing effort. It’s relatively easy to communicate effectively without mastering word gender, so for people who don’t care about correctness, people who learned exclusively on their own, or people who don’t delve into the theory of German grammar much, it’s also very possible to otherwise master German without a good understanding of genders. (Given the actual history of migration in Germany, the vast majority of people who have been here 30+ years were unfortunately not given a good basis of instruction, but that’s very slowly changing.)

    My intent in saying that it can be learned is not to shame anyone who hasn’t internalized the patterns of genus (the point of learning a language is communication, after all, and most communication is not hampered by incorrect gender usage), but rather to note that they’re not actually random. I was always taught that the gender of a word is random unless it ends in -heit, -keit, -tion, -ung, -tät, -schaft, or -chen, but that’s just not the case. There are exceptions, but general rules do exist (materials are generally neutral, single syllable words that gain an umlaut when pluralized are generally masculine, emotions are generally feminine, but types of anger are typically masculine, etc.).

    I read a fascinating book about this, that I’ll try to find when I get home, because it completely changed my view of genus. It explicated a lot of the rules that native speakers and nonnative speakers with a highly developed (oof at that word, but I can’t think of a better one) language sense have internalized.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    A friend, originally Hungarian but speaks numerous languages describes English as "easy to speak, hard to write".

    We really need a do-over with a better alphabet that allows a reader to know exactly how a word is said - one letter, one sound. Of course, I realise that it's far too late to work - even on our tiny island we can't agree on how words are pronounced.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    On the other hand, maybe the British should have conquered less.

    If the Brits didn't, the French would have. Or the Germans. Or the Spaniards. Etc. I'm not going to shame the British for being especially good at conquering when conquering was in vogue.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Right?

    What do people think the French and Spanish were doing?

    It's like they forget that Spain financed Columbus, and it was Spain that rampaged through what is now Central America, and destroyed all the works (who knows how much of history was lost?) of the Mayans and Aztecs.

    Spain then went on to install Maximillion as king of Mexico.

    There's a lot more in between there that I've forgotten, but holy hell the Conquistadors put the English to shame when it comes to outright brutality and destruction.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    So.... No one in here has tried to learn Mandarin in here huh?

    Let's talk about Hanji, heck worse let's talk about:

    四是四,十是十,十四是十四,四十是四十;
    谁把十四说“十适”,就打他十四;
    谁把四十说“适十”,就打他四十

    Which is pronounced like:

    sì shì sì, shí shì shí, shísì shì shísì, sìshí shì sìshí;
    shéi bǎ shísì shuō “shíshì”, jiù dǎ tā shísì,
    shéi bǎ sìshí shuō “shìshí”, jiù dǎ tā sìshí.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    This is China-nese. Original Chinese, its

    四是四,十是十,十四是十四,四十是四十; 誰把十四說“十適”,就打他十四; 誰把四十說“適十”,就打他四十

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Thank you for helping my point. Also.... Aaaaaa... Why is the so many characters?!

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    Its honestly only a handful of characters.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    No I mean the minor difference ones. Or how I am supposed to memorize 5000 hanzi to be considered college literate. This is a bunch of repeating but good Lord there is a lot of individual characters out there.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    It's sorta like memorizing the word encyclopedia. I'm sure if there were a handful of letters missing or wrong you could still read it. Because you don't memorize the letters but what it looks like. Exactly how Chinese works.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Fair enough. I like that a pot looks like a pot, fire looks like fire, and a house is little house but it's still confusing. You can't really sound it out you have to have the shape memorized.

    I'll try to keep this in mind if I ever try to expand past my 100 character brain limit but I'm not sure I have the capacity for all that anymore, if I ever did.

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