Shit like this is why I doubt it when people say you can learn English by learning the spelling of sounds, because no you can’t.
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Yacht
All Yakked Up
The term, yacht, originates from the Dutch word jacht (pl. jachten), which means "hunt", and originally referred to light, fast sailing vessels that the Dutch Republic navy used to pursue pirates and other transgressors around and into the shallow waters of the Low Countries.
This sound like something someone who only speaks English would say.
As someone who learned English in school, I can assure you that the word "yacht" is rather at the bottom of the list of troubles.
See: "The Chaos" (poem)
https://ncf.idallen.com/english.html
It's way longer than I remember. I think I only ever saw an abridged version or something.
You don't have to blur fucking on Lemmy.
Unblur the fucking! Unblur the fucking!
This is almost certainly copied from Facebook, not blurred especially for Lemmy.
I'll say fudge-diddly-darn if I want to and you can't stop me.
I love that it's blurred like a Japanese adult comic, enough to say technically, but not enough that you can't literally see everything.
Bitch please:
Skildvagtslymfeknudeundersøgelse
Welcome to Danish.
I googled. I understand none of the results but it looks like that's an actual word 🤯
Donaudampfschiffahrtsgesellschaftskapitän. Actual word for an actual job that existed until 1991. Welcome to German.
eh people always point to German but they just use compound words more often. if you know the parts that make up the word it shouldn't be hard to parse.
What does that mean
Hottentottententententoonstelling in Dutch. It means hottentot tent exhibition
"Sentinel lymph node examination." Probably not a word that comes up much day-to-day.
Nope, but it does come up if you get tested for breast cancer.
Point is, that yacht isn't a difficult word at all. Especially not if you're European, since the word for yacht in many European languages is... yacht.
I mean I have no idea what that means but I bet it breaks down into something resembling a good descriptor. English causes issues with four letter words with two O's in the middle.
It's a medical term or word or whatever. But it is not easy to pronounce at all. That's the thing with Danish. We have a lot of letters that are silent or changes sound depending on what letters they are next to and sometimes just because.
Even if you have skildvagtslymfeknudeundersøgelse broken down for you, I doubt you'd be able to pronounce it correctly because several repeat letters in that word are pronounced differently and some of them are silent.
Words like: ord, ost, mos, mos and orden all have vastly different ways of pronouncing the o and mos and mos are completely different words with completely different pronunciations where you can literally only tell which one it is based on context in the text. By themselves, you will not know.
Every language has their little quirks like that, but everybody knows how to pronounce yacht as yacht is the word for fancy boat in many languages. The post above is basically like being impressed that a foreigner knows how to pronounce "okay".
Fascinating- I don’t speak Danish but I can _almost_read that. Enough to assume it has to do with thyroids and lymph nodes.
It is a medical word for getting tested for breast cancer. I didn't bring it up because it is a difficult word to understand, but because it is difficult to pronounce correctly without stumbling over it. Yacht is not difficult in any way since our word for yacht is also yacht and because the spellings and sounds are pretty common in for example German, which is another language we are being taught from an early age.
Of course, all languages and their difficulties are relative depending on where in the world you live, but if you're European, especially western European, then it is pretty silly to be impressed that people can pronounce yacht.
Having a long word like skildvagtslymfeknudeundersøgelse is a lot more tricky since it's a bit of a tongue twister to pronounce and if you aren't well versed in Danish, you will also not know when or how to pronounce each letter, as several of them have different sounds or no sounds at all at different places in the word. That is why I brought it up.
Hm the word yacht is easy, it means Jacht :-)
Now pronounce it
Like yogurt without the 'ur'
It is pronounced pretty much the same way in a number of different languages.
Just like it's spelled if you omit the "ch" because English people are unable to fathom unusual digraphs.
I'm so glad that fucking was censored (although not really at all censored, since I can clearly still see the word), I would have been offended if it wasn't.
Imagine bad language on the internet.
if the Zeitgeist is dumbing down, you as an intellectual will stick out like a sore thumb, and you might lose the ability to communicate your ideas efficiently. So, if you are not actively promoting knowledge, you are just complaining into the void like the rest of us
rawdogging implies more than to just stay sober. You can rawdog an exam, which just means you enter with no learning. You can rawdog a meeting, meaning no preparation, you can rawdog a dish, meaning no recipe used. Rawdogging is much more philosophical than people attribute it to
I've never heard raw dogging meaning to stay sober.
The first I heard it, long ago, was referring to sex without a condom.
It's to prevent an algorithm from deranking the content, not to prevent humans from seeing it. Obviously pointless on the Fediverse, but many people do it on other social media platforms.
When I learned that the proper pronunciation of the word queue is basically a letter q followed by a bunch of silent letters, I had to take a break for a while. I enjoy the sound of English language, so that kept me going afterwards, but I am still salty.
In a sick way I'm glad it's the language I was raised with. On the other hand, maybe the British should have conquered less.
Meanwhile I learned this weekend how to pronounce "dandelion" from watching a Beavis and Butthead clip. And I haven been speaking English for decades, in both professional and social settings.
You just have to learn the pronounciation of words from audio/video instead of the spelling.
It's way easier than having to memorize the grammatical gender of each and every noun or all the word-specific exceptions for irregular declinations.
I agree that English is easier to learn than German (spelling excluded), and word genders are an annoying facet of learning German, but it does get easier. Eventually you can develop a language sense and you can infer the gender from the form, meaning, and origin of the word with a pretty high success rate.
Grammatical genders are one of these points where you can pick up that someone's not a native speaker even if after they lived in the country for 30 years. Their only real point seems to be to trip up foreigners.
Yeah, I should have been more clear. It can be learned, with a good basis of language instruction and ongoing effort. It’s relatively easy to communicate effectively without mastering word gender, so for people who don’t care about correctness, people who learned exclusively on their own, or people who don’t delve into the theory of German grammar much, it’s also very possible to otherwise master German without a good understanding of genders. (Given the actual history of migration in Germany, the vast majority of people who have been here 30+ years were unfortunately not given a good basis of instruction, but that’s very slowly changing.)
My intent in saying that it can be learned is not to shame anyone who hasn’t internalized the patterns of genus (the point of learning a language is communication, after all, and most communication is not hampered by incorrect gender usage), but rather to note that they’re not actually random. I was always taught that the gender of a word is random unless it ends in -heit, -keit, -tion, -ung, -tät, -schaft, or -chen, but that’s just not the case. There are exceptions, but general rules do exist (materials are generally neutral, single syllable words that gain an umlaut when pluralized are generally masculine, emotions are generally feminine, but types of anger are typically masculine, etc.).
I read a fascinating book about this, that I’ll try to find when I get home, because it completely changed my view of genus. It explicated a lot of the rules that native speakers and nonnative speakers with a highly developed (oof at that word, but I can’t think of a better one) language sense have internalized.
A friend, originally Hungarian but speaks numerous languages describes English as "easy to speak, hard to write".
We really need a do-over with a better alphabet that allows a reader to know exactly how a word is said - one letter, one sound. Of course, I realise that it's far too late to work - even on our tiny island we can't agree on how words are pronounced.
On the other hand, maybe the British should have conquered less.
If the Brits didn't, the French would have. Or the Germans. Or the Spaniards. Etc. I'm not going to shame the British for being especially good at conquering when conquering was in vogue.
Right?
What do people think the French and Spanish were doing?
It's like they forget that Spain financed Columbus, and it was Spain that rampaged through what is now Central America, and destroyed all the works (who knows how much of history was lost?) of the Mayans and Aztecs.
Spain then went on to install Maximillion as king of Mexico.
There's a lot more in between there that I've forgotten, but holy hell the Conquistadors put the English to shame when it comes to outright brutality and destruction.
So.... No one in here has tried to learn Mandarin in here huh?
Let's talk about Hanji, heck worse let's talk about:
四是四,十是十,十四是十四,四十是四十;
谁把十四说“十适”,就打他十四;
谁把四十说“适十”,就打他四十
Which is pronounced like:
sì shì sì, shí shì shí, shísì shì shísì, sìshí shì sìshí;
shéi bǎ shísì shuō “shíshì”, jiù dǎ tā shísì,
shéi bǎ sìshí shuō “shìshí”, jiù dǎ tā sìshí.
This is China-nese. Original Chinese, its
四是四,十是十,十四是十四,四十是四十; 誰把十四說“十適”,就打他十四; 誰把四十說“適十”,就打他四十
Thank you for helping my point. Also.... Aaaaaa... Why is the so many characters?!
Its honestly only a handful of characters.
No I mean the minor difference ones. Or how I am supposed to memorize 5000 hanzi to be considered college literate. This is a bunch of repeating but good Lord there is a lot of individual characters out there.
It's sorta like memorizing the word encyclopedia. I'm sure if there were a handful of letters missing or wrong you could still read it. Because you don't memorize the letters but what it looks like. Exactly how Chinese works.
Fair enough. I like that a pot looks like a pot, fire looks like fire, and a house is little house but it's still confusing. You can't really sound it out you have to have the shape memorized.
I'll try to keep this in mind if I ever try to expand past my 100 character brain limit but I'm not sure I have the capacity for all that anymore, if I ever did.



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