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[–] 47 points 1 year ago (19 children)

Unrelated but how do people feel about the ai images when used for something like this.

The font is very telling for being DallE

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  • [–] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think it strongly detracts from the post. I basically skipped right to the comments without clicking the link because I'm assuming it's AI slop, and I'm hoping the comments are interesting.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    People would be less mad if you straight up used a stock image with a watermark so I don't understand why people go out of their way to use AI when they know people will comment on it and it will detract from the point of the article.

    Also, using AI in the thumbnail makes people automatically assume you're using AI in the text as well. And if you're not doing that, why would you lessen the perceived value of your writing by making it seem like you are?

    It just seems pointless and actively harms your actual goals because people will get hung up on the fact that you used AI and ignore your actual valid points. Especially when you're writing about open source projects when most people interested in open source are vehemently anti-AI, it really just shows you don't know your target audience.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    While I mostly agree with you (and 100% on it distracting from the article), I think you’re not thinking about image rights.

    If you’re a serious blogger with a good sized blog, a lawsuit or DMCA or otherwise is potentially a killer outcome of using an image you don’t 100% sure have the rights to. With AI, you can be 100% sure you can use the image however you want, without any repercussions. I’d imagine that’s huge in the considerations for a blogger.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Unsplash, Freepik, Pexels, and countless other sites exist where you can get free images with clear licensing.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Any idea how well verified the images are on those sites? What's the chance that one with copyright gets uploaded and I get hit with a giant fine for using it?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    Dunno. I feel like if you've used an image from a reputable source under the proviso that you're licensed for it, and it turns out you're not... you may be able to blame Unsplash etc. and just swap the image out.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    I dont think this is a reasomable counterpoint because the target audience in question would also vastly prefer shit as simple as an mspaint illustration or a dithered irl image.

    Also, it is quite feasible to find royalty free images, and I have no idea where you're getting the impression it is not. There are a host of images that provide licensing metadata. Google image search and co. can find these. It's simply a matter of verifying the license authenticity.

    It's just fundementally stupid.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    Personally I think it's fallen out of fashion. For my blog I'd either use a meme or other dump picture for each post. When generated images first came out I used a few for blog posts, it was new and interesting and said "I'm interested in technology and like playing around with new things".

    Nowadays I'm back on the meme pics. I feel now it's so much easier to generate images, it more says "I want to look professional but also spend no money and have no standards".

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago

    i’m downvoting ai slop every chance i get. i’m sure it’s just as futile as downvoting every post that used the acronym ‘FAFO’. i hated that one because i think the people who used it thought they sounded sooo cool.

    if you’ll excuse me, i’ve got some clouds outside i need to go shake my fist at.

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  • [–] 75 points 1 year ago* (18 children)

    I totally agree. I used to hate systemd for breaking the traditional Unix philosophy, but the reality is that a tight init and service-tracking integration tool really was required. I work with and appreciate systemd every day now. It certainly didn't make things simplier and easier to debug, but it goes a long way towards making a Linux system predictable and consistent.

    Poettering can go fuck himself though - and for PulseAudio too. I suspect half of the hate systemd attracted over the years was really because of this idiot.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    Linux audio has been a cluster^$%< of epic proportions since the mid 1990s. At least you can make single application systems work well these days, but Windows has really whipped the llamas ass on the audio front for 30+ years now, in terms of "it just works" user experience - without being hyper-draconian on the application ecosystem.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (15 children)

    Is it really breaking it? As far as I'm aware, it's more like gnu. It has components and you can select what you use (here meaning distros and packagers).

    People mistake this for a monolith because it's all named systemd-thing. Integration, like you said, was and is needed. But what if all those separate utilities and services are actually disconnected and speak some protocol different to pipe? Does it make it less unixy?

    And poettering is an absolute good guy here. Pulseaudio wasn't perfect, but did it improve things compared to what was there before? Sure it did. Even now, pulesaudio protocol is used within pipewire and it works just fine.

    Perfect is the enemy of good. And while all these tools might not be perfect, they are the best in the Linux world.

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    poettering is an absolute good guy here

    Agreed. But he's also an abrasive know-it-all. A modicum of social skills and respect goes a long way towards making others accept your pet projects.

    pulesaudio protocol is used within pipewire and it works just fine.

    I wasn't talking about the protocol, I was talking about the implementation: PulseAudio is a crashy, unstable POS. I can't count the number of hours this turd made me waste, until PipeWire came along.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I always assumed that Poettering is an arse to people because of the hate he got for systemd. I imagine it's hard to see the best in people when there's a crowd of haters everywhere you go. Though I have no idea what he was like beforehand.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    People are idiots.

    Poettering got death threats for systemd.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Everybody who is hated and popular gets death threats. Hell, even the nicest actors get death threats.

    They are easy to write and send, and there's 0.01% of the population that is mentally unstable enough to actually do so. You and I don't get death threats because we aren't popular enough.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Nah bugger that. Famous actors are known by a vast majority of people. It is not normal for open source programmers to receive abuse to the level of death threats. That only happens when you get the attention of kiwi farms types.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I feel that generally, when the issue is that the person is an arse, then the complaints are often not about the software. You might see people campaigning to boicot the software out of spite, but they won't give you a technical reason, other than them not wanting the creator to get any credit for it.

    When the complaints are about discrepancies in the way the software is designed (like it was with systemd), there's no reason to expect the person to be an arse. Though him not being an arse does not make the criticism about his software invalid... in the same way as him being an arse would not have made the software technically worthless. Don't fall for the ad-hominem.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Pulseaudio was introduced in 2004. How come it took almost 20y for it to be replaced if it was that bad?

    Implementation, being what it is, improved the situation compared to alsa and other things before it. Again, while not perfect it made things better for everyone.

    It's funny that this is a thing attributed to poettering as bad since things before were way worse... why not throw Sticks and stones at those people?

    I really don't get it.

    And all of these things are optional. The fact that distro people and companies select them is because they solve real world problems.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Pulseaudio was introduced in 2004. How come it took almost 20y for it to be replaced if it was that bad?

    Did you learn nothing from X11 usage? May I remind you that X11 was invented by Xerox in the fucking 80s?!

    Bad software attaches itself to OSs like a cancer.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago*

    things before were way worse… why not throw Sticks and stones at those people?

    My earliest memories of Linux audio were in Slackware in the mid 90s, reading and re-reading the HOWTO that started off with a bunch of attitude about how real computer users don't need audio, but we can do it anyway "so, if you must hear Biff bark..." and then a bunch of very unhelpful things to try following that never ever worked on any system I ever tried to use them on. Diverse systems that, of course, all played audio through Windows flawlessly.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    “It’s more like gnu”

    You are correct. GNU has the bad habit of only working with itself as well. Systemd only works with Glibc so it fits in well.

    The reality is that GNU is just a subset of the Red Hat Linux platform these days. Systemd is another part. GNOME is the other big chunk. They are all designed to work with each other and do not care if they work with anything else.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    And poettering is an absolute good guy here.

    You obviously weren't actually around when he was granted mini-king status and acted like a jackass to literally anyone who objected to pulse or systemd. As a result, redhat, canonical, and Debian had to eat criticism over pushing these before they were ready... because of "superstar" poettering.

    Poettering is a disrespectful clown.

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  • [–] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    It's refreshing to read to someone that actually says "I was so wrong"

    I was wrong also with systemd, I hated it mainly because I already knew init.d, where files are, where configs where etc. Some years later hate is gone, I'm not a power user, but I just now know how to handle my things with systemd and all is good.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago

    I see most often that it's the people who live in init.d - interact with it multiple times a day - who are most vocal about systemd hate. I'm going to call "old dogs don't like new tricks" on that one.

    I do get into that layer of system maintenance, but it's maybe 1-2% of my time, mostly a set-it and forget-it kind of relationship. There was a time when the old ways were easier due to more documentation and guides on the internet, which I lean on heavily because I interact with this stuff so rarely. Those days passed, for me, 8-10 years back.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (1 child)

    You do realize that it's not a binary between systemd and SysV, right? There are modern replacements for SysV other than systemd, like dinit, OpenRC, s6 and they all strive to address the shortcomings of SysV

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm over here still using OpenRC. Mostly because I want to. Some servers I run have systemd on them. systemd is generally nice. OpenRC has finally gained the ability to run user services, which is also very nice.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    I decided to finally lean into using systemd more while i've been using NixOS, since the OS already relies heavily on it anyway. Created targets for my window managers, starting all my programs with services instead of autostart scripts, etc. And it worked fine for the most part, except for some reason, in qtile the systray widget refuses to load the nm-applet when it's started through systemd. Waybar does not have this problem. I can't help notice that systemd is not just a little slower, which isn't the biggest deal in the world, but it also tends to hang more often when shutting down, which is a bit annoying and reminds me of windows lol. Before NixOS i used Void, and while i never really cared too much about what init system i'm running, i can't help but really appreciate runit for being so simple and fast. I'm thinking of moving back to Void but using the Nix package manager on top. I recently found a solution to the nix driver problem when using it on other distros, so now i should be able to combine the best of both worlds.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I hated it and still do because for a period of years every weird, difficult to find issue on a bunch of servers was caused by systemd. It may be fine now, but I switched to Devuan and have had incredible stability. Poettering's response to security issues was also terrible and honestly the dude seems like a real piece of shit.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    I've never used any other init system since I'm relatively new to Linux (8 years of use). So, systemd is all I know. I don't mind it, but I have this one major issue with it. That "stop job for UID 1000......" Or whatever it says. It's hands down the most annoying thing I have ever experienced in Linux. Making me wait for 3 minutes sometimes is just insane. I know I can go in and make it wait for 5 seconds /etc/systemd/system.conf or whatever, but why? Also, another one usually pops up.

    Other than that, I really like how I can make timers. I like how I can make scripts run on boot, logout or login. And I like how I can make an app a background service that can auto start if they ever crashed. Maybe all of this can be done with other init systems? I wouldn't know, but I like these in systemd

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    I'd say the main bad part of systemd is how it's used and now expected everywhere.

    If you search for some Linux guides or install something complicated or whatnot, they always expect you to have systemd. Otherwise, you're on your own figuring how things work on your system.

    This shouldn't really happen. Otherwise, yes, it's great, it integrates neatly, and is least pain to use.

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    There is no authority delegating responsibilities of writing tutorials for Linux. It is the responsibility of nobody and everybody. If you can't find one for your problem, write it yourself when you have figured it out.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Sure, but I can't single-handedly create an entire knowledge base on doing everything with X, so it's a real and big limitation.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    If you think so and that this is important, maybe you could be the one that makes it happen. Start a project and gather like-minded people. That is how Linux, FOSS and community driven efforts operate. It's useless to complain that nobody else makes the effort if you have the capabilities but can't be arsed making an attempt yourself.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I suggest Gentoo.

    Great documentation, systemd optional.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    Lol, this is borderline evil advice

    But yeah, it works!

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    Gentoo is an easy OS, and works like a charm.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

    Alright you broke the edge of evil into a very different realm

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I have struggled with Fedora for couple of years (graphics drivers after major updates), then Ubuntu got me down a couple of times (snaps and other malice).

    Zero issues with Gentoo after the initial setup. You build it, update it, and IT WORKS. Also you can easily remove parts of software you're building with USE flags. -telemetry, -x11, and you never care about it anymore.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

    I must assume Gentoo does require manual intervention here and there, and updates must take eternity for packages that are not precompiled, ain't it so?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

    I have an 8 core CPU, but I have to admit I don't use any DE.

    Updates can take several hours if I don't upgrade for a while, but PC is usable during them (you can set number of build threads).

    Manual intervention is what I've said needed way more in Fedora, which left me without any video after updates, or Ubuntu which broke integrations or replaced my software.

    Gentoo just... is.

    There are sometimes updates that would require intervention if you do something special, nothing too difficult though, and you get a link to Wiki with working solutions.

    I need to donate more money to that project.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    Several hours for an update sounds insane to me lol

    But I understand it's the tradeoff Gentoo makes to add a lot of control and minor optimization

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I use it because I'm frankly too dumb to use something else, but if that wasnt the case, i dont think id be speaking fondly of it.

    I'm a ram usage fetishist, I absolutely disagree with the "unused ram is wasted ram" phrase that has caught on with people.

    I see some of these distros running a graphical environment with only 90mb ram usage and i cream myself. All of them run something other than systemd, usually avoid GNU stuff, and...require you basically to be a developer to use them.

    I already run a half broken, hacked together system due to my stubborness, I can't imagine how fucked I'd be if I tried one of these cool kid minimalist distros.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    90mb ram

    If you're in a system where 256mb of RAM is the limit, sure - go for the RAM efficient OS options, they're out there.

    Can you even buy less than 2GB of RAM in a desktop system anymore? Even the Raspberry Pi 5 starts at 2GB (and, yes, the older models have less, but I did say desktop system, implying: reasonable desktop performance.) Maybe if you feel the need to use a RasPi 3 as a desktop for something then you should dig around for one of your more efficient OS configurations, but I'll note... back when RasPi 3 was the new model, Raspbian came default without systemd, but offered a systemd option. The systemd option booted from power off to the desktop (such as it was) in about 1/3 the time.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Unused memory IS wasted memory and my Linux machines, AFAICR, always have buffered everything possible since twenty years ago, it's not a systemd thing. It also speeds up things, why the long face?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (2 children)

    So you just like having ram doing nothing? Unused ram is wasted ram. Distros cache a lot in ram because they can. I mean why hav RAM is you just want to stare at it and say ohh look at all the free RAM.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Even a system that uses 90mb of ram on a cold boot will accumulate gigs of stuff in cache if you're using it. (assuming it has the memory for it) That isn't what people have a problem with though.

    Maybe this is an incorrect use of language on my part, but I feel like I'm not the only person who means "memory actively being used by a process" when referring to memory usage. I understand the whole linux ate my ram thing. That just isn't what I or what I assume a lot of people mean when talking about this.

    When I boot up my system, pull up my terminal, run htop, and see 800-1200mb being used just by processes (not in buffer, not in cache), that doesn't raise any flags or anything, but I also know that some people have gotten their systems so streamlined they use 10x less than that. That's all memory that could be used by other things. That could be the difference between a low memory system running a web browser or not. Could be the difference maker in a game someone wants to play on their system. There are endless possibilities.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago*

    Could be the difference maker in a game someone wants to play on their system.

    One reality of the world is: the developers choose what hardware/OS configurations they target. If the makers of your game don't target your RAM efficient system, you're outta luck. Developers make their choices for their own reasons, but even with the ever-growing FOSS communities, the majority of developers work for a paycheck, that paycheck comes from profitable businesses and those businesses have very strong influence on what the developers work toward. The businesses only exist because they are profitable... FOSS may not be bound by those realities, but it lives in a world dominated by them.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/systemd/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus systemd Linux.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago

    Void Linux doesn't use systemd.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I'm in Guix Linux land right now and I miss journald. I'm supposed to wade through all the log files in /var/log myself??

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    journalctl is the one part of systemd I really do not like. For whatever reason, it's insanely slow, taking multiple seconds before it gets around to display anything. It also has all the wrong defaults, displaying error messages from a year ago first, while scrolling to the bottom again also takes forever and consumes 100% CPU while doing so.

    There are flags to filter and display only the relevant parts, but not only are none of them intuitive, doing a mistake there just gives you "-- No entries --", not an error. So you can never quite tell if you typed it wrong or if were are no messages.

    Maybe it all makes more sense when studying the man page in depths and learned all the quirks, but /var/log/ kind of just worked and was fast, without any extra learning.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (9 children)

    I've been using systemd on most of my systems since it was released; I was an early jumper to upstart as well.

    The thing I don't like about systemd is how pervasive in the OS it is. It violates the "do one thing, do it well" Unix philosophy, and when systemd went from an init system to starting to take everything over, I started liking it less.

    My issues with systemd is that it isn't an unmitigated success, for me. journald is horrible: it's slow and doesn't seem to catch everything (the latter is extremely rare, but that it happens occasionally makes me nervous). There are several gotchas in running user services, such as getting in-session services working correctly (so that user services can access the user session kernel keyring).

    Recently I've been using dinit on a system, and I'm pretty happy with it. I may switch all of my systems over to it; I'm running Arch everywhere, and while migrating Arch to Artix was scary the first time, in the end it went fairly smoothly.

    Fundamentally, systemd is a monolithic OS system. It make Linux into more of a Windows or MacOS, where a bunch of different systems are consolidated under a single piece of software. While it violates the Unix philosophy, it has been successful because monolithic systems tend to be easier to use: users really only have to learn two command-line tools, vs a dozen. Is it categorically better, just because the user interface is easier for new Linux users?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago (8 children)

    Systemd is modular not monolithic. Distros choose which parts of system d to implement and it just happens to be most of it since its really good at what it does.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    It is not modular. This is a lie Poettering keeps pushing to defend building a huge edifice of interdependent systems.

    Look at the effort required to factor out logind. It can't just be used in it's own; it has a hard dependency on systemd and needs code changes to decouple.

    I will repeat that journald is really bad at what it does, and further assert that you can not run systemd without journald, or vice versa. That you can not run systemd without getting timed job control. Even if you chose not to use it, it's in there. And you can not get time job control without the init part. In most unix systems, init and cron are utterly decoupled and can be individually swapped with other systems.

    Systemd is not modular if you can't swap parts out for other software. Systemd's modularity is a bald-faced lie.

    The one exceptions are homed and resolvd, which are relatively new and were addedlong after systemd came under fire for being monolithic. And, ironically, they're the components most distributions don't use by default.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Systemd boot, Systemd network and elogind I'm pretty sure can be decoupled. There's 69 modules so I'm not entirely sure about all of them just the ones ive encountered.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago

    I know logind can't easily be, because I ran Artix for a while and they were using a decoupled version of it, and there was a big discussion about swapping it for something else because it was so hard to maintain.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    What do you mean by modular though? I assume there's serious coupling amongst systemd modules that make "modularity" just theoretical

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  • [–] -1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Its like 70 different files and not all are required. You can swap out parts of systemd like run a different init system.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 year ago

    I've never used anything but systemd. I feel fine about it, but I think I'd feel the same way about not using it.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Because people here accuse Poettering of being an asshole: I've read some of his blogposts and seen some talks of his and him doing Q&A: He answered professionally, did his best to answer truthfully, did acknowledge when he didn't know something. No rants, no opining on things he didn't know about, no taking questions in bad faith.

    As far as I can tell all the people declaring him some kind of asshole are full of shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago*

    He is not that bad, the issue is that, as all foss devs, he is not interested in solving problems he does not feel like are important.

    The problem is, he disapproves when resources are allocated in his project to those problems and one main area he is not a fan of is support for legacy stuff.

    It just happens that legacy stuff is the majority of the industry, as production environment of half the globe needs to run legacy software and a lot of it on legacy hardware

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