Allero comments on systemd has been a complete, utter, unmitigated success

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 27 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I'd say the main bad part of systemd is how it's used and now expected everywhere.

If you search for some Linux guides or install something complicated or whatnot, they always expect you to have systemd. Otherwise, you're on your own figuring how things work on your system.

This shouldn't really happen. Otherwise, yes, it's great, it integrates neatly, and is least pain to use.

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[–] Strit@lemmy.linuxuserspace.show 27 points 1 year ago

In my opnion, systemd is like core-utils at this point.

It's so integrated into most things and the default so many places, that most guides assume you have it.

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[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

There is no authority delegating responsibilities of writing tutorials for Linux. It is the responsibility of nobody and everybody. If you can't find one for your problem, write it yourself when you have figured it out.

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 7 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

Sure, but I can't single-handedly create an entire knowledge base on doing everything with X, so it's a real and big limitation.

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[–] whaleross@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago*

If you think so and that this is important, maybe you could be the one that makes it happen. Start a project and gather like-minded people. That is how Linux, FOSS and community driven efforts operate. It's useless to complain that nobody else makes the effort if you have the capabilities but can't be arsed making an attempt yourself.

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[–] msage@programming.dev 5 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I suggest Gentoo.

Great documentation, systemd optional.

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Lol, this is borderline evil advice

But yeah, it works!

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[–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Gentoo is an easy OS, and works like a charm.

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago (6 children)

Alright you broke the edge of evil into a very different realm

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[–] msage@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I have struggled with Fedora for couple of years (graphics drivers after major updates), then Ubuntu got me down a couple of times (snaps and other malice).

Zero issues with Gentoo after the initial setup. You build it, update it, and IT WORKS. Also you can easily remove parts of software you're building with USE flags. -telemetry, -x11, and you never care about it anymore.

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 1 point 1 year ago (4 children)

I must assume Gentoo does require manual intervention here and there, and updates must take eternity for packages that are not precompiled, ain't it so?

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[–] msage@programming.dev 1 point 1 year ago (3 children)

I have an 8 core CPU, but I have to admit I don't use any DE.

Updates can take several hours if I don't upgrade for a while, but PC is usable during them (you can set number of build threads).

Manual intervention is what I've said needed way more in Fedora, which left me without any video after updates, or Ubuntu which broke integrations or replaced my software.

Gentoo just... is.

There are sometimes updates that would require intervention if you do something special, nothing too difficult though, and you get a link to Wiki with working solutions.

I need to donate more money to that project.

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