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[–] 84 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (19 children)

Star Trek (Voyager): Was it murder to split Tuvix back into Tuvok and Neelix?

I've got a long and complex possible solution to offer regarding this ethical clusterfuck, and I'm willing to elaborate if someone's interested to hear it.

Edit (possible solution): Voyager's database should include the Enterprise D's information regarding Riker's duplication incident. While Voyager's crew already found a way to separate Tuvix, they could've searched for a possibility to repeat that process and then split back the copy Tuvix a few milliseconds into the original Tuvok and Neelix before said copy became self-aware.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Two characters got merged into one completely new character the had traits of both, but was their own person. Decision was made to forcibly (against the new character's wishes) undo the accident and restore the two people. In so doing the new character no longer existed.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The Riker split depended on a plant on that one particular planet. Maybe it cannot be replicated.

    Fully embracing that technology would have loads of chaotic outcomes...maybe they forbade it or something? Ripe for abuse...the ability to make infinite free clones or people...

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    They used a transporter, so yes.

    Every use of a transporter where someone is disassembled is murder, or possibly suicide.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Alternatively we're just data (as muteable as a save file) so neither of them died at any point as Tuvix was a valid continuation of both their continuities, similary when Tuvix was split again Tuvok and Nelix also constituted valid continuations of Tuvix's continuity.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    they did it again LTD. anyways, janeway practically groomed 7 of 9, not in a sexual way but trying to mold her into a daughter she never had.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I think that’s called mentorship

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    she did mentor her, but she also kidnapped her, hence the grooming/molding in her ideal image.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    She didn’t kidnap her, she rescued her from her actual kidnappers though.

    Like, it’s somewhat nuanced, but seven has been neurologically modified by a group that killed her parents and uses her as a weapon. I can’t really see the makeshift therapy that janeway performs to try to refamiliarize seven with humanity as grooming.

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  • [–] 65 points 6 months ago (19 children)

    I collect coins, and there's always debates about what a coin is.

    For those who don't know, a coin is usually defined as an object with legal tender status somewhere; as opposed to a token that has a face value but is issued by a non-state actor; and a medal, which is anything that looks like a coin but doesn't have any face value.

    Now, aside from the expected debate over what is and isn't a state, there's also the issue of NIFC (not intended for circulation) coins. Many mints sell coins that are legal tender, but are never put into circulation, some people (often those that could be characterised as "old school") take the position that as these aren't intended to be used as legal tender, they aren't really coins.

    It doesn't help that there are tiny island nations like Niue and Samoa that will basically let companies make anything legal tender if they pay them. This leads to the rather silly situation where a batarang, and a literal statue of hogwarts, are technically "coins". (I've been told this is done as a import tariff dodge as the USA doesn't charge import taxes on coins)

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Imagine being a Samoan shopkeeper and some tourist showing up and trying to pay with a friggin statue of Hogwarts.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    What the fuck is wrong with Samoa? Like, I can speculate but my speculations are unkind. I don't want to go there.

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  • [+] 7 points 6 months ago (13 children)
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago* (12 children)

    Weird stuff happens on islands.

    my dude, that's a thought stopping phrase. weird shit happens everywhere. there's this toilet in boston

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (11 children)
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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    I don't know if I'd go so far as to say "racist," but I can see how someone might think you sound xenophobic. If I didn't enjoy interacting with your posts so often, I could see how someone would see your tone as trying to "other" and shame an entire culture. But I know that's usually not where you're coming from.

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  • [+] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (7 children)

    you're doing the antisemite thing again starik.

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago* (6 children)
  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    sorry, i see that i did a racism. i just felt like winding you up a little bit before copping to it.

    there's a religion that claims a large portion of samoa belongs to it. i've had bad experiences with that religion. i don't want to open that can of worms but this kind tax fraud type behavior is like, average behavior for the religion (to the point that they had to make it part of sermons that they "don't believe in tax fraud" even though they have (or had) secret religious ceremonies swearing vengeance against the US government like i said can of worms. cults are fun to study but less fun to be in).

    my bigotries are a little less about race and a little more about who has stabbed me in the back.

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  • [+] 2 points 6 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    while discussing their mint dude. use context clues next time to figure out that it's discussing a government and not people.

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  • [–] 61 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    Cooking:

    Aioli is made with oil and no egg. If it includes egg, it is a mayonnaise.

    Many people just call everything "aioli" these days, even if it's technically a mayonnaise.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I don't think that's an internal debate, I think everyone who understands about the topic knows the difference between aioli and garlic mayo. It's people from outside that use the wrong term, so not really an internal debate.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    That's not been my experience. I think a lot of people feel like it's lesser to call their dip a mayonnaise, so they call it an aioli. Especially at restaurants.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Sure, but that's just the restaurant trying to sound fancier than they are, they know it's not aioli. It's like when they say they have wasabi but bring you a paste, there's no debate that wasabi is a root but that most restaurants will serve you a green paste that has 0% wasabi in it. Which is why places that serve real wasabi or aioli usually have it listed as "real wasabi" or "real aioli", both to clarify they're using the correct term and not the popular one and to warn people as both aioli and wasabi taste different from the mass produced garlic mayo and mustard paste restaurants usually serve.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    How does one get the emulsion started without egg or mustard ?

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Emulsion between oil and garlic.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Yep, this.

    Anyone who hasn't should give it a try. Takes a bit of mixing to get it emulsified (you could probably do it in a food processor), but aoili is so delicious and underappreciated, at least here in the US. Add some salt and a touch of lemon. Dip some roasted veggies in there. Yum.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Garlic is an emulsifier, less potent than egg, but still an emulsifier. Which means true aioli is EXTREMELY garlicky (as it is almost 50% garlic), it loses some potency over time like most garlic things, but freshly made aioli is something you don't put a lot of (and may be part of the reason most restaurants don't serve it)

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  • [–] 44 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    Should the hobby continue to be about both the act of printing and tinkering with printers, or is there a reasonable place for people who want “3D printing” as a hobby but not “3D printers” as a hobby. As part of this, is it okay for a company to lock down its firmware and prevent people from using their printer over a network without going through their software first?

    Bambu Lab has made remarkable progress in “mainstreaming” 3D printing but they’ve done so at the expense of a lot of the “soul” of the space. Unlike many of their consumer-facing predecessors and competitors, they are closed-source and proprietary. They make a good product, but you don’t get to have control over it the same way you do with other brands. And that just means other brands are likely to follow suit, now that Bambu Lab has shown it to be an effective strategy.

    I mourn the loss of common purpose the hobby once had, but at the same time I do think it’s a natural progression for something new and complex to eventually become consumer-grade. Look at how computers have evolved into rectangles we keep in our pockets.

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  • [+] [S] 17 points 6 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    and I think you really have to be good at making your own stuff for a printer to be a good purchase.

    It really depends on what you want to use it for. I have the skills to make decently complicated parts to print, but 9 times out of 10 I'll just see if someone has already made something similar and use that instead. If you know you're gonna be prototyping a bunch of things or testing weird shit out then yeah you should probably know how to operate a CAD program, but if your use case is, "this plastic thing on my very common appliance broke, I wonder if I can print a replacement?" or "these little flexible dragon things are cute" then you just need to know how to use a search bar and your slicer.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I keep falling out of the hobby because I don't want a printer to be my hobby - I want printing to be my hobby. But no matter how many times I try to pick it back up, my printer never produces a good print.

    I'm on the other end of the swing again - looking for tuning tutorials to help get my cr10 printing well. I am very open to suggestions.

    I do like tinkering with the printer, and I do want that control, but eventually it gets to a point where I just want it to work

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I think it's like cars for car guys vs cars for people who just want to get from place to place. I started with Elegoo and got really sick of all the fiddling it took to get a decent print. I got a Bambu and it just works. I know it's a "walled garden" but in the end I can print whatever model I want and it comes out great most of the time.

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  • [–] 43 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Programming and Linux. Oh boy, what to pick...

    Terminal text editors: VIM vs Emacs is the main debate there. (There are others but these are ones people argue the most about)

    Linux Distros: Arch, Debian, Mint, CachyOS, ...

    Init Systems: Systemd vs OpenRC. Honestly, probably the most toxic debate on this list.

    Programming Languages: Python, Shell, but the heated one is C vs Rust

    A non-exhaustive list of ones I couldn't think of a category for:

    • Tiling vs Floating Window Managers
    • Chromium vs Gecko-based browsers
    • Bash vs Zsh vs Fish

    I love computers and Linux, but man, the amount of toxic in-fighting and gatekeeping is a real turnoff. Just use what you want. At the end of the day, we are all nerds doing what we love.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I am team...

    • Nano

    • Arch

    • Systemd, I don't see what the fuss is about that TBH

    • I don't wanna even touch that one lol

    • I like the carousel kind of things like Karousel or Niri

    • Gecko (Librewolf, Floorp etc.)

    • Zsh

    But yeah I agree, everyone should just do what they want. Having lots of options is one of my favourite things about Linux.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    neovim, opensuse tumbleweed, idk, idk, floating, gecko, bash

    my experience is limited tho, and im not strongly opinionated

    i like the vi/vim/neovim editor control scheme, not tried much else, nano seems ok too from my occasional use of it

    i use opensuse tumbleweed because its rolling release but still pretty stable and installation is easy but allows a lot of customizing, many other distros are good for many other things too, fedora popos and mint are great easy desktops, debian and nixos are great for servers, arch gentoo void nixos and artix are great desktops for nerds, etc. the bad ones are ubuntu (canonical is weird and corporate and makes bad decisions), manjaro (the devs are incompetent), and omarchy (it preinstalls nonfree software (including nordvpn (ew)), ai, and more nonfree software (including chatgpt (even more ai ew) and twitter))(as you might be able to tell i really hate it, its just an installer for some moron's desktop setup, thats what nixos is for you fucking twat, and its crappily opinionated with crappy opinions)

    ive only used systemd distros (opensuse, ubuntu, fedora, debian, raspbian) so idk whether systemd alternatives are better, i just know that systemd is pretty bad in many ways

    and im not that much of a programmer, but pretty much all languages are good and useful (except that javascript is useful but not good)

    i like floating wms (i use kde plasma) because tiling is a bit annoying (sometimes i want a window to be a particular shape) and because tiling is usually in wms that are not des, ive tried sway and hyprland and the mostly keyboard based control was nice but it not being a de that provides all of that useful stuff was annoying

    gecko is better because its more libre, the corporation behind it is dedicated to libre rather than being one of the world's biggest and evilest megacorps, and it incorporates more pro privacy design. i use librewolf. gecko is poorly separated from firefox tho so im quite hopeful for servo engine now that ladybird is vibe coded slop being rewritten in rust by the cult

    i like bash because its the typical well known linux shell that many online resources are about

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  • [+] [S] 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 42 points 6 months ago* (6 children)

    Mycology is full of them which are mostly the result of genetic sequencing and the good old "where do you draw the line between species" question but a recent and high visibility one is the Collybia shift.

    Before genetic testing, Collybia was a genus characterized by smallish pale-spored mushrooms with convex caps, no ring, and gills which are broadly attached to the stem (the simplest shape the average person would imagine for a mushroom), this became one of the classic "statures" of mushrooms "Collybioid". As we sequenced Collybia species, they were slowly moved into other Collybioid genera like Collybiopsis and Gymnopus. Eventually this resulted in most of the Collybioid mushrooms being moved out of Collybia, leaving only the earliest-discovered mushrooms in the genus which were tiny parasitic mushrooms that weren't really Collybioid at all.

    Here's an average "Collybioid" mushroom Gymnopus sp.

    Then things got worse, a recent paper did a study on genus Clitocybe which is another genus which has a classic stature named after it, "Clitocyboid" which refers to smallish pale-spored, funnel-shaped, mushrooms with gills that run down the stem. This paper discovered that nearly everything we had been calling "Clitocybe" actually belonged in Collybia meaning that most mushrooms in Collybia are now Clitocyboid instead of Collybioid. This has resulted utter chaos which has some mycologists considering invoking the "common usage" rules in taxonomy to put the new Collybias back into Clitocybe to make things less confusing. This chaos has been compounded by the fact that iNaturalist has already accepted this name change, but only for the mushrooms explicitly studied in the paper and not their known relatives which has resulted in the Blewits being split between Collybia and Lepista (which itself was a recent name change from Clitocybe that everyone was still adjusting too).

    Average nondescript Clitocyboid (no ID because these are nearly impossible):

    A Blewit, AKA Clitocybe/Lepista/Collybia nuda:

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    alot of plants phylogeny is like this, they looked similar enough they are the same species, after doing enough testing, mostly mitochondria, choloroplast they actually are combined into one genus or move into another one. my favorite is mycoheterotrophs(plants that are entirely dependant fungi rather than photosynthesis), thismiaciae was originally though to have evolved in burmannia family,and then thier own family and then back again.

    finally in the 2020s they realized even thismiacae is polyphyletic. so now south americans thismia's are likely belonged to another genus entirely(they havnt done significant phylogenetic studies in the SA ones)(seperate from the ones in south east asia, australia, and 1 extinct one in usa which makes it very unusual for it to appear in america), thismiacae is now a full family, and afrothismia was originally included in thismia, until they genetic testing, its entirely "new family" interdependently evolved but related to the ancestors of thismia. trying to trace lineage of mycoheterotrophic plants is difficult because they lose thier cholorplast genes quite easily.

    its only because they all looked very similar to each other, they were all combined into one family.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    My friend is a palaeobotanist and recently tried to see if I (a microbiologist) could understand her presentation on taxonomy for ancient plants. I found it very weird to find out that the different parts of the plant retain the names they were described as even when integrated into the plant as a whole.

    Like if you find a dino skull and call it 'skullosaurus' then somebody finds a femur and calls it 'femurdon' then later finds both in the same fossil, 'femurdon' gets retired and the whole thing is 'skullosaurus'.

    But with plants you can separately describe a female organ as 'femonia', a male organ as 'maleonanthus' and a leaf as 'leafopteris'. Then somebody finds they belong to the same plant and not only do you just get to pick what to call the plant somewhat arbitrarily based on the organ prevelance, age, leaf or even an entirely new name but the original parts still keep their old names as separate taxa. I still can't get my head around this 'whole plant hypothesis' thing...

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    oh yea i noticed the nomenclature/naming is very wierd for some plants. like in thismia, they have 5 different lineages, so they name it "section thismia, or another name based on thier morphology and later phylogenetic data. eventhough they have an established genus name,SECT geomitra, labiothismia,,,etc, which isnt a genus but it was originally named because thats the first specimen they found of a specific species. they call alot species phyllocladus, because the "leaf" is actually the stem, but its also the genus name. im guessing plants are complicated/ or look similar enough to each other you cant tell the difference until you do genetic testing, which they dont do on alot of plant lineages, like the mycoheterotrophs i mentioned, they are tricky to resolve.

    and the genus is sometimes generic named like phyllocladus, xerophyta(an actual genus). oh yea paleontology is probably easier to resolve, if you can find extant or extinct animals that are similar, and just name it in the same genus.

    orchids are also a fun family of plants , especially if you notice they are all mycoheterotrophs to begin with, its just the ones we see switch to full photosynthesis, but some are mixotrophs, and some loss thier chlorophyll entirely.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Its so confusing. My friend gave me permission to share her slides on it, its just a few but I think it helped me understand.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago*

    it is confusing, so it seems the name is based off the researchers description of the first and the last one who finds the new species, and feminize/masculinize the name too. it also seems theres not consensus as a standard for it, and can change at any time with new research. like with some plants like dracaena and sansierva, the latter absorbed into the former it gets more confusing.

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    In the Sonic fandom, there’s a debate over which is the “authentic” Sonic: the Western version or the Japanese one. It’s not about design, but rather personality, values, and attitude.

    The thing is, the differences between the two are very subtle. Unless you’ve been in the fandom for years and have seen enough material on the subject, they’ll seem exactly the same to you.

    My opinion is that "It doesn’t matter"~♪. At this point, there are countless versions of Sonic (the classic, the modern, Sonic SatAm, Sonic X, Archie Sonic, IDW Sonic, Fleetway Sonic, Sonic Boom, Sonic Prime, Movie Sonic...), all with their differences, but in general they share the, let’s say, “essence”* of the hedgehog, and that’s what matters.

    *(If you’re not from Latin America, you won’t know how funny it is that I used that particular word)
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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    with Sonic, it would be faster to list what isn't a big internal debate

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Hm, authentic? in which sense? to some source material? how the character I'd integrated in the world? in regards to which one was first and how the other deviates? or is it a "quality" change of character thing?

    this is somehow interesting to me now. never really had contact with sonic

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    It is interesting by itself.

    It’s not so much about the source material, cuz in that case there would be no debate: the first Sonic was the Japanese one, period. The issue is more of an almost philosophical nature.

    Sonic loves freedom, but what is freedom? What would a completely free person do? Would a free person even have a moral code? If Sonic is free, is he a hero? Would a free person crack little Spider-Man-style jokes? If Sonic hates oppression, why would he work for the monarchy or the government?

    One could argue that the Japanese Sonic was the starting point and the Western version his evolution. When does something become or cease to be “authentic”? Is it authentic only at the beginning? Does it remain so until the end?

    Things get absurd and annoying when idiots come along to invalidate other people’s opinions and tastes by saying things like, “Your Sonic isn’t the real Sonic. The only legitimate Sonic is [insert favorite Sonic].” You know, the usual gatekeeping.

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