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What is a big internal debate within a fandom or hobby you are a part of that outsiders probably wouldn't care about? (lemmy.world)
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[–] 84 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (19 children)

Star Trek (Voyager): Was it murder to split Tuvix back into Tuvok and Neelix?

I've got a long and complex possible solution to offer regarding this ethical clusterfuck, and I'm willing to elaborate if someone's interested to hear it.

Edit (possible solution): Voyager's database should include the Enterprise D's information regarding Riker's duplication incident. While Voyager's crew already found a way to separate Tuvix, they could've searched for a possibility to repeat that process and then split back the copy Tuvix a few milliseconds into the original Tuvok and Neelix before said copy became self-aware.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Im curious, please share

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Two characters got merged into one completely new character the had traits of both, but was their own person. Decision was made to forcibly (against the new character's wishes) undo the accident and restore the two people. In so doing the new character no longer existed.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The Riker split depended on a plant on that one particular planet. Maybe it cannot be replicated.

    Fully embracing that technology would have loads of chaotic outcomes...maybe they forbade it or something? Ripe for abuse...the ability to make infinite free clones or people...

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    They used a transporter, so yes.

    Every use of a transporter where someone is disassembled is murder, or possibly suicide.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Alternatively we're just data (as muteable as a save file) so neither of them died at any point as Tuvix was a valid continuation of both their continuities, similary when Tuvix was split again Tuvok and Nelix also constituted valid continuations of Tuvix's continuity.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    they did it again LTD. anyways, janeway practically groomed 7 of 9, not in a sexual way but trying to mold her into a daughter she never had.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (2 children)

    I think that’s called mentorship

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    she did mentor her, but she also kidnapped her, hence the grooming/molding in her ideal image.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    She didn’t kidnap her, she rescued her from her actual kidnappers though.

    Like, it’s somewhat nuanced, but seven has been neurologically modified by a group that killed her parents and uses her as a weapon. I can’t really see the makeshift therapy that janeway performs to try to refamiliarize seven with humanity as grooming.

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