Imagine that you're trying to shoot a baby

No I don't think that I will.
Imagine that you're trying to shoot a baby

No I don't think that I will.
No, but I'd definitely put that necklace on anyway. Not like the baby knew anything about religion, but it still worked for him; should work for me, too.
In order to verify that this wasn't a coincidence, I would need to repeat the experiment on multiple babies.
Verification is proof and proof denies faith.
That's not how the magic sky man deal works.
Okay, that's great Jesus, but I'm still going to need to poke you in the spear hole before I buy this Third Day Resurrection bullshit.
Poke... With what?
I like the Tim Minchin line from Storm.
Science changes its position based on what's observed. Faith is the denial of observed truth so that belief can be preserved.
If you're shooting because you think there's something to the rumor you heard, then that's verification. So you lose.
If you're shooting for some other reason, wtf? That should itself put you on the bad list.
What if you went back in time and the baby is Hitler?
Jesus is fine with giving proof if you need it, he'll just be disappointed you didn't trust him bro.
And use multiple crosses.
Make one yourself out of 2 sticks and a bit of rope. To rule out the possibility of the amulet just being magical and having nothing to do with any deity.
What do Christians think atheists spend their time doing?
Funny how they keep relying on impossible hypotheticals.
Isn't that, like, the whole book?
The funniest part is that this hypothetical really boils down to "What if we had any evidence that what we believe is true?" Well fucking duh, that's literally our whole issue.
At least they kinda framed it as a scientific experiment with verifiable evidence! Utterly bunkers aside from that.
That depends, if I shoot the baby and they die immediately, as if they took a shotgun blast to the face, would you become an atheist?
I mean... Why did the God not protect the baby anymore? Is the crucifix a required magic catalyst or something to get Gods protection? Do we have any known cases where the catalyst was not needed?
I think I'm closer to solving the riddle of Gods power...
Lack of object permanence. The baby stopped being a Christian when the crucifix was gone
Why did the God not protect the baby anymore
The entire bible is about a Father who says "Look at what you made me do!"
On the other hand, the devil never really did anything bad.
What do you mean he didn't do anything bad?!?!? He convinced some chick to steal an apple. That's like in the top 3 worst things you can ever do.
Yeah and how do you know it's not "the devil's" necklace or some demon or god isn't real and it's all demons. With religious logic you have nothing real to stand on to test reality.
No. I'd just wear the cross to become invincible.
Nothing scarier that someone who believes in shit they can't see that encourages them to be violent.
Just because the amulet of protection in the shape of a crucifix doesn't mean it has anything to do with god. Wizards are mischievous.
wouldnt it be the anti-christ, since hes technically indestructible. jesus can be killed by normal humans.
What happens when the baby turns to red mist? Is that just "part of God's plan"?
Okay, but no joke, if removing a crucifix suddenly allowed me to turn a previously indestructible baby into red mist, I think there might be a god and he might have had a plan or foresight into this whole boondoggle
Maybe don't shoot the baby?
Literally impossible without having Jesus in your hearts.
While wearing the necklace, can the baby fly? Does it have sharp teeth and can lunge incredible distances with serious force? If they are leaving out this bit of information, it doesn’t help the argument whatsoever.
Next you say a baby is not allowed to lunge incredible distances or have sharp teeth?
If baby follows rules, baby don’t get shot.
you're trying to shoot an indestructible christian baby
I really want to know why I would be trying to shoot said baby in the first place. Is it the antichrist? Am I being blackmailed? Is this some sick bet?
It's christians who kill babies. Gaza, Iran, and the grandaddy of them all-the Oklahoma Federal Building.
I haven't build my identity around not believing in gods. Show me compelling evidence and I'll reconsider. Shotgun pellets bouncing off a baby would definitely offer food for thought.
Got a few issues with this one.
In essence, would you change your religion if it gave an attunement bonus to something you wore (and perhaps have looted off a murdered faithful)?
Tbf, it'd be worth the shitload in church tax I'd then have to pay... if it worked. Which is the trouble with these religious relics anyway, eh?
Why would I be shooting a baby with a shot gun?
I'm an evil atheist, but Christians want to shoot babies with shot guns. Seems legit.
I'd probably start believing in magic necklaces. Then I'd start down a dangerous path of experimentation to test the limits of the necklace's invulnerability enchantment.
I’d dislike a god even more choosing to allow such a test to proceed. It’s a variant on the “Trolley Problem”.
What kind of god would sacrifice an infant to prove belief instead of just popping in with a booming voice and saying “Yes, I’m real you morons!” to prove it?
the question is designed to trick anyone who engages with it into conceding that they would shoot a baby, and then they can turn around and say "atheists want to shoot babies"
Old testament god seemed to be pretty good and offing kids so this tracks
Read a book
Well, there was the global flood that killed most life on the planet. Or was that just allegory?
How about these?
1 Samuel 15:
3 Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and don’t spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant and nursing baby, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
Hosea 13:
16 Samaria will bear her guilt, for she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed in pieces, and their pregnant women will be ripped open.”
Numbers 31:
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him.
It was arguably worse for the girls:
18 But all the girls, who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
And of course, 2 Kings 2:
23 He went up from there to Bethel. As he was going up by the way, some youths came out of the city and mocked him, and said to him, “Go up, you baldy! Go up, you baldy!” 24 He looked behind him and saw them, and cursed them in Yahweh’s name. Then two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of those youths.
Nothing about that cruel suggestion makes any sense. Why did it need to a baby, why can't it be trying to shoot the idiot making this insane suggestion who volunteers to wear a necklace and be shot.
Counter-offer: same scenario to the ignorant Christian who is shit-posting, but the necklace is of Ra, the Egyptian Sun God. Let's see if he would convert. Moron.
How am I supposed to eat a baby that's either indestructible or full of buckshot?
God didn't stop me from taking it off the baby despite knowing I was going to kill it, so no.
In all honesty, I'd think the previous shells were functionally blanks.
You have to do more troubleshooting first, like backing up to widen your spread first to see if the shot leaves a baby shaped outline in a sacrificial background target.
Maybe use multiple boxes of ammo, different brands, different shotguns, etc.
You don't take an opportunity to prove the existence of a god and just whip the necklace off as step two.
Me: I can't believe in a supposed deity who couldn't think of a way to motivate it's followers better than Gary Fucking Gygax.
Christian: have you considered infanticide?
What if the gun is also cross-shaped?

(Like in From Dusk Till Dawn)
CHRISTIANS: You're about to shoot a baby with a cross of indestructability. But you're going to do it with the Heartline Special. What happens?
It’s almost like they’re getting it. Yes, fools, if I was shown direct evidence for your imaginary friend in the sky, I might conclude that they do in fact exist. Bring out the babies and the shotguns, by all means.
I'd turn the gun round
If I was sick enough to try to x the baby and actually did it would be time to stage left
What does x mean here? What exactly are you trying to do to this hypothetical baby?
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