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[–] 261 points 6 months ago (10 children)

"Sideloading" is anti-property-rights loaded language.

The correct term for installing something by means other than the Google-approved method is "installing normally."

It is the act of capitulating to Google's control, due to the incorrect belief that you need its permission to use your own property how you want, that needs a new term. So far all I've been able to come up with is "cuckloading," though I'm not happy with how sexism-adjacent it is and am open to suggestions.

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  • [–] 63 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Might be easier to come up with a specific name for installing something from Google. "Google loading" maybe.

    The we just go back to "installing".

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    "Google loading" isn't derisive enough. The example I came up with isn't quite right, but I do want it to have that same feeling of being a grave insult. Maybe something like "simploading?" Or "dipshitloading?" "Brownloading" (think like "brownnosing")? IDK, I'm just spitballing here.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    To really sell it in the US anyway, you could try renaming sideloading to “freedomloading” or maybe “freeloading” (which sounds very Tom Petty, or porn related like “loadblowing”)

    Then to rename the vendor locked loading is tricky. Even the old term “jailbreaking” has negative or criminal connotations. Though the jail is where you were wrongfully imprisoned, but that doesn’t convey easily. You could try to flip it around and call the locked down version “jail loading”. Or “commie loading”, all you would need to do is get some democrats to pretend to support vendor lockin.

    Problem is any legislator on either side is in the pocket of the corporations who will oppose this, so there is no incentive for a propaganda campaign on the other side. So everyone will renain convinced sideloading is evil criminal hacker shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Nah cuckloading is perfect. The best way to make an insult like that not effectively belong to the sexists is just to use it in non-sexist contexts. The intrinsic meaning of cuck is perfect for this. Fuck the extrinsic meaning. We can change that.

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  • [–] 137 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Awww... Uncle Google just wants what's best for me! So what's the harm in getting into his van? What's the worst that could happen?

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  • [–] 63 points 6 months ago

    The classic "you are too dumb to choose" if only education was a thing...

    We are at a time where governments and corporations actively dumb things down until they can make this excuse, instead of actually doing what is right for the people, which is investing in education and treating people as intelligent and autonomous beings.

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  • [–] 47 points 6 months ago

    The problem is this is already being used to do political censorship so any restriction on what users can install on their device is harmful, because it's not just weird nerds but people need to use other apps like ice watch

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  • [–] 47 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    As someone who replaces "core" apps with FOSS alternatives, the 24 hour wait is quite a punishment.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Heads up that you should still be able to sideload over ADB (the origin of the term on android, after all) without the wait, so setting up a new device before the 24 hours are up is still doable.

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  • [–] 77 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    "Sideload" is such a dumb name for what is just the act of installing apps of your own choosing.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    You're missing the point. It is "just" the act of downloading and installing, which were seen as normal things to do. However, by calling it "sideloading" they can then attach any meaning, any implication they wish. This is now something different and wierd, not something normal people do, does your mom sideload? I'm pretty sure the battle for control of your phone that you bought was lost as soon as we allowed them to call it sideloading.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    The name might well have come from the community, since the whole app store model is as old as the modern smartphone, and downloading a different way is new, while possible, was always for power users.

    If there had been a more normal software ecosystem from the get-go that would have been nice. Actual regulation to enforce device freedom would also be good.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Being able to download and install software from somewhere that isn't the app store has been available the entire time, it is not "new". I remember downloading .apk files and installing them on my first android phone, and it just worked. It wasn't until my 3rd or 4th phone that you had to start enabling "unknown sources" to install a .apk, and they have been working to make it harder ever since.

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  • [–] 77 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    The majority of people

    Stop using such shit excuses. Keep Android Open!!

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago* (3 children)

    The majority of people are stupid. Who would have thought.

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Are there any real statistics about the real number of scams deployed via "sideloading non verified apps?"

    I do not know the number. But I don't think there are that many cases. Most scams I've seen have been via web or via a normal app downloaded on the appStore.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    Scams require some level of idiocy, complacency or distractedness to pull off. If you're going out of your way to install non-standard apps you're likely paying enough attention not to fall for it.

    If youre getting a mark to install something on their phone, you'd probably have just as much luck getting them to sent you a Western Union cheque.

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 104 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    And now we know this "reporter", Patrick Campanale, is a bootlicker

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Let's not jump to conclusions! He just might really be this stupid to believe these claims.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Let's punish both types in the same manner to make them both stop.

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  • [–] 69 points 6 months ago*

    With arguments like those that person already seems like an astroturfer IMO. Also sideloading is the language corporations used to delegitimize decentralized app installation.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Everything on my grapheneOs is sideloaded,

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  • [–] 39 points 6 months ago*

    Everything on my GrapheneOS is installed normally, by which I mean "however the fuck I want".

    Fuck allowing the act of exercising your rights as the owner to be demonized with bullshit loaded language!

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Why not get an alternative store? Perhaps F-Droid.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago

    I can get behind a delay to enable side loading and the warning screens are nothing to me since I can just click past them. Though the delay should be more like 30-60 minutes at the most.

    The real problem is requiring devs (even outside of the play store) to identify themselves. That is ridiculous and does absolutely nothing to secure the device for the user. (It only secures it under Google for their interests)

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  • [–] 61 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Also, it locks alternative sources to the Play Store out. How convenient, right?

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago

    I thought surely this was a joke. ... I thought.

    Sent from GrapheneOS

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago

    The opinions of a christian youth pastor who loves claude code.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago*

    I prefer package managers & installing software to locked corpo market bullshit loading

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Why would it first help people and then hurt them?

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  • [–] 59 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    Indian accent: "Alright mam, when you install this app, I will contact you tomorrow and we can proceed with the transfer. For security reasons, don't tell anyone you received this call."

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  • [+] -15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (10 children)

    The real sollution is to lock India off the internet until they crack down on all their scammers.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    There are scammer call centers in many countries throughout the world. So unless you want to start shutting off a lot of developing nations from the internet, that's not a good solution.

    It's also not a good solution because there will always be a workaround.

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  • [–] 1 point 5 months ago*

    I have to say some countries are really heavy on this. Myanmar and some provinces in India. Usually it's corrupt governments profiting from the scams so they turn a blind eye.

    There should be more international pressure on this. Geoblocks won't help because they'll just proxy. But completely withholding development aid until they stop their crimes will.

    Also putting the top figures on international ban lists of course.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Hey maybe you're not racist, maybe you're just watching too many youtube videos

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I basically never watch Youtube, its kind of cancer and Google is a spyware company.

    And this isn't about race, its about a country cleaning up its own act. I feel basically the same way about Russia, for example. There isn't an online servixe or system that sould not drasticly improve if Russians were blocked from the larger web. Its basically a factory for misinformation and assholes.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Don't worry buddy, I get it. I feel the same way about USA

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago* (9 children)

    Bruh screw android and its updates, it fucked up and it keeps getting worse, its updates are very occasional, at least if they were worthy then fine i'm with ya, but no, they are just junk, they slow down my phone and are many times buggy; it keep restricting users and developers under the term of 'security', go fuck ur security, I know what I'm doing, either gimme full control over my property or fuck off. This is MA phone NOT urs!

    When I get a new phone, I'll either find a way to get an old android version like v10, or just find another system.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'm not going to spend good money on another Android phone and because of this. I used to be willing to tolerate it to some extent but I'm done now. Any further Android devices are going to be low-end burner phones for a specific needs that I can't meet otherwise. Having a Linux phone is now a matter of necessity not something that would be nice to have

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    Is 2026 going to be the year of the Linux handheld? /s

    (No, Android is no more a Linux OS than the PlayStation is a BSD fork.)

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I highly doubt 2026 will be the year of the Linux handheld. But if Linux on the desktop continues growing the way it currently is, it could lay the groundwork for Linux on handhelds.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    We really can't find a sincere friendly OS like Linux. I wish Linux and other friendly phone systems had more hardware support. Android is dominating with its "I'm the ruler" philosophy, bc Google knows the alternatives are limited.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago

    Sideload deez nuts

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I'm throwing my phone into the sea the moment it tells me I'm not allowed to do something.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Hate to break it to you, but this is just the next assfucking in a long line of assfuckings. Your phone already won't let you:

    • Unlock the bootloader without wiping all the data on your phone (or some won't let you unlock it at all)
    • Run "sensitive" apps if you have the audacity to run code that isn't approved by the manufacturer
    • Have admin or root rights to the phone you fucking bought and paid for without it marking your phone as "insecure"

    I mean, maybe, hopefully, this will finally be the assfucking that wakes us the fuck up.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    He very technicaly speaking is correct. Pepole are dumb as bricks when it comes to technology.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Remind me why the fuck I removed Google Play Services from my Motorola here and replaced them with microG because of a maps app that needed it? Oh it's because of this.... Yeah. Lol.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    Link to the article (for the comments, the article itself is pretty much AI)

    https://www.howtogeek.com/android-24-hour-sideloading-delay-shouldve-happened-years-ago/

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    The last one is probably true, though. Most Android users don't care about sideloading. Those who are being pressured to do so will face the 24 hour lock.

    On the other hand, I'm an iPhone user who knows Android as well as anyone. So if I were to pick up, say a Pixel 11 Pro or a Galaxy S27 (so, looking at next year's lineup), the first thing I'm gonna do is hit that developer option to enable sideloading. I know where it is. I know how to unlock it. And I know the risks. In the meantime I'm gonna set up Nova Prime, I'm gonna put Poweramp on it, I'm gonna be setting up KLCK and KLWP (and maybe KWGT) and all the other apps. By the time I need to sideload anything, I'll have the important stuff out of the way and shouldn't have to wait that long.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    This means though that now the important stuff HAS to come from the play store or you have a 24-hour penalty every time you get a new phone.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    How often do you get a new phone? My Galaxy S10 from 2019 still kicks ass. It doesn't do any of the Galaxy AI stuff, and I'm okay with that.

    I really don't think the 24 hour thing matters all that much. If it's the first thing you do when you get the new phone, and then you start setting stuff up, by the time you want to go looking for stuff to sideload, a lot of that time's down the drain.

    It also begs the question of — and magnifies the silence of the lack of answers to a deafening roar — what actually needs to be sideloaded, let alone what is so crucial the 24 hours is any kind of a pain point. Worst case scenario, you hold onto your old phone for those 24 hours, before wiping it and selling it (or whatever you do).

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I change every 3-4 years but that's not the point. A 24-hour delay plays into the "sideloading" thing. You could theoretically "sideload" all your apps, it shouldn't be a secondary thing. Waiting 24h doesn't matter in normal cases. Now if your phone breaks and needs to be switched immediately it could be an issue.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)
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    I said Nova Prime. That's the paid version.

    I know what they're doing to free users, and it's a shame. No one ever said anything about the paid version.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    it is still the same company. if you think they respect your privacy just because you paid them, that is on you. but bragging about it publicly in a comment where you try to sound like super experienced user seems funny.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Literally why would I not just buy an iphone if google goes through with disabling sideloading

    Tap for spoilerYes I call it side loading and I will continue to because its just what its called when you install through means outside of an official repo. using this term is not an acvnowledgement of any vind of illegitimacy of this process.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    ::: spoiler Reply to spoiler

    Whether it's the correct name or not, using the word doesn't spread awareness very well. When someone hears sideloading they'd likely assume that it's loading an app on the side aka splitscreen, and they wouldn't care enough to search it up.

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