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[–] 73 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Lol gog with the propeller hat in the corner

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  • [–] 98 points 6 months ago* (16 children)

    I mean, yes.

    • Steam is a scary monopoly, getting scarier.

    • It's not their fault the industry (minus GOG) comitted mass seppuku.

    Both can be true. One can worry about Valve, and use them hesitantly, while laughing at everything else like it's a cartoon.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    agreed, i still dislike GOG'S AI take.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    itch.io seems rather unproblematic

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    The payment processor thing was a mess, and they really went through and mass delisted a ton of things that did not meet the criteria, including a lot of SFW stuff.

    The fact that they complied so readily, and overreacted so much, makes them pretty sus to me.

    They used to be right below GOG for me, and I suppose they still are, but I trust them about as much as I trust Valve to not randomly delist things because some Karen in Australia whined.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    I wouldn't classify it as "scary" quite yet.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Our benevolent yachtlord for life won't live forever. Next guy (or group of owners) may not be quite content with simply having a billion dollar yacht, might enshittify for more yachts quicker.

    Point being, GabeN is no saint, but he shows restraint with his greed, if you can even call him greedy. Next guy might kill the golden goose and then we'll all have a fun time because all our games are all on Steam. That's the scary bit.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    I would still wait until we know who the heir apparent is to worry.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I feel like a peasant waiting to find out if the good old king's son is gonna ruin everything.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Whilst mostly true, to truly maintain wealth over many generations, you have to be very consistent with the culture that you pass down.

    If Gabe is smart (I assume he is), he will know about the third generation problem, and how to mitigate it. He will talk about it with his kids and grandkids when they are old enough to understand. Building a culture around a shared set of values, making then understand that their success is built on providing the best experience to gamers that they can.

    The other key thing, is to make the next generations understand that, whilst 10 years may seek like a long time, it really isn't.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    It's not. You can still buy from the others if you want to be treated like shit, excepting GOG, in my opinion. Consoles are true monopolies, because you can only choose if you want to buy a console and marry to its store, now that physical media is becoming a rarity.

    They have a big fraction of the market because they are efficient at selling what people want. I don't like it, I believe Newell, specifically, is profiting greedily from Valve's situation, but shit, this is not even a natural monopoly.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    How is steam a monopoly if they don't even own the biggest platform they sell games to? And even steam os being Linux has to be fully open to comply with the gpl meaning anyone can modify and install whatever they want.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    Once steam goes to shit we will all sail the seven seas but multiplayer will suffer

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    GOG just sitting in the corner waiting for people to notice them.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    GOG just sitting in the corner waiting for people to notice them.

    And they can keep sitting there while they're not actively supporting Linux, despite all that Cyberpunk/Witcher money (and according to their statements the funding got even better after their sale). To play their games on Linux, I have to go through all the steps to get Heroic and its terrible GUI, go through its WINE settings,…

    Meanwhile 90% of the Steam games: Hit "Play" and it just works.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    am probably gonna rebuy all my video games on alternative platforms, or imma play open source games instead.
    i can also take the games outside of Steam.

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  • [–] 30 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Me playing steam games on an arm handheld right now cause you can just install an arm build of the steamos frontend on any arm linux device and with a little tweaking my games just work. Its actually amazing, modded terraria, trackmania, schedule 1, etc just work.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    The only ARM Linux device i have is the Raspberry Pi 5.
    would be cool to try it out on the PI.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The RP5 isnt the strongest device ever but im sure some indie games will run well on it. Also with steam pushing native linux and possibly native arm builds soon of games performance will only improve.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It's not being a monopoly that is illegal — if it were then all of "big tech" would be screwed. It's using a monopoly toward anti-competitive ends and enshittifying everything that is illegal...which is funny, because even that really doesn't seem to be illegal when you look around these days.

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  • [–] 42 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    I get that we shouldn't be happy about any type of Monopoly but Steam occupies the PC gaming space similar to how Linux dominates the server space.

    You can't really complain that almost every server running Linux is a bad thing. Granted Steam is not open source, but you have to imagine how little effort it takes to not make a shitty marketplace/platform as a competitor.

    The fact that such a low bar cannot be surpassed by multi billion dollar companies is all you really need to know, especially when GOG successfully exists.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Steam is a closed source market place blob that takes 30% middle man tax. Valve however has understood FOSS, and the contributions they are making are immense.

    When a true FOSS project is dominating this means the people are in control of it. Not corpos nor is it a monopoly. People have voted by donating work for it to be the most successful thing in its applicable area. Dominating FOSS projects also suck up and integrate a lot of innovation greatly reducing duplicated effort.

    FreeBSD is alive and well, and it even benefits from Linux's DRM GPU drivers.

    Although the drm gpu drivers are mostly of a corporate effort, we are seeing an occasional interventions by the people "no, not like that" to keep the sometimes shoddy quality up.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    ow Linux dominates the server space.

    Linux is free. Free cannot be monopoly. Bad comparison here.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Steam is also free unless I'm missing something?

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Steam is gratis to create an account, it is not free. All game purchases have a 30% tax, and you don't own the games you purchased.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Free can still be a monopoly. There is still a controlling group that decides the direction of linux and then entire ecosystem moves with that direction.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    None of that is a monopoly. Ecosystems have fragmented before because of decisions and Linux wouldn't be immune to it. Alternative forks of entire ecosystems happen.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    A monopoly isn't a guarantee to always be a monopoly. It's just at a point in time.

    Linux isn't a monopoly obviously because windows and other operating systems exist but in a world where there was only Linux it being free and open source wouldn't change its monopoly status.

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  • [+] 40 points 6 months ago (10 children)
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    Google isn't privately owned. It's hard to be on the stock market and not be evil. I think Costco is the only one that has managed it for any appreciable length and that is under threat of death from one of the co-founders.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    The difference was that people pretended like Google ever had an option to “not be evil”. At the end of the day, they were a publicly traded company, and thus, line must go up, or else the collective hive mind of the public market would vote the leadership out and replace them.

    Steam is private, thus, the current leaderships can ignore the demands of the public market hive mind. Private companies can be evil, but it depends on who owns them. They’re not guaranteed.

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    Public companies do not actually have a legal obligation to maximize shareholder value. That is a myth based on a misreading of the Dodge V Ford decisions. That specific reading of the precedent of that decisions has never actually been used in a court case to charge a CEO.

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Competition actually exists, GOG, Epic, itch.io. More used to exist but they were shitty, inferior products and died out because of that. Steam grew up to being the standard it is now and we come to expect it. It'd take same or better to unseat them.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    yeah i know,but i feel like Steam's competitors are inferior.
    (personal opinion though)

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  • Save for Epic the other two set out with what they intend. GOG wants you to buy games without DRM that you can download installers for whenever you want to install them. Generally more consumer choice.

    ItchIo wants to be a place for small, indie developers to get a spot in the market without having to rely on Steam. Smaller games and media for consumption that I don't think takes a big of a bite out as Steam does.

    Steam has some legitimate criticisms to it certainly, and Gabe is part of the class of people I don't like. But certainly not a monopoly.

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  • [–] 45 points 6 months ago (15 children)

    No shit. It kills me when people play on console. I mean I get the simplicity and all, but they try to use the "it's cheaper" angle and yeah, bullshit. It's initially cheaper, then you're paying what $20 a month to just play online, then games are $10 off at most on their respective stores and then you get to rebuy them when a new console comes out.

    Steam games are like 50%-90% off constantly, and Epic has free games like every week. I've had games for over 15 years through steam. So yeah I paid $1,000 for my PC but after 3 years console owners have spent $1,500+ after monthly fees and buying games.

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  • [–] [S] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    this is the reason why i dont like Consoles, If you ignore Video Game choices.
    (if you want to know Video Game choice: TF2 Is not on Console for example, ik it used to be but not anymore,but its one of my favorite multiplayer game, no multiplayer video game i found is like it.)

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    It kills me when people play on console.

    As a PC and console gamer, consoles are easier to buy once and play a round of games for a number of years. PCs, on the other hand, are much better especially for certain game types.

    Each has its role, but I was almost exclusively a console gamer for a couple of years because:

    1. You can sit back and relax and play on your TV after a long day of work

    2. If I buy a console, I can expect that almost all games will play correctly on it without having to upgrade mid-cycle

    It's quite a bit more complicated to try to figure out which video games your current graphics card can and cannot play, when you should spring for an upgrade, and when you need to do a complete re-build. To add to that I do not like windows and so I'm a member of the linux gaming club (there are dozens of us, DOZENS) and that makes things more complicated as well. With a console, they've worked out the licensing, the performance, and most fiddly bits and I can just sit on my couch, buy a game and play.

    When I was younger and had more time to deal with things like the above, I gamed exclusively on PC. But with everything else going on with work and life, I find it much easier to just pick up a controller, plunk down on the couch, and play for a couple of hours.

    Both have their pluses and minuses. I would say I like console gaming better because it usually happens in the living room and doesn't feel as anti-social.

    But to your point...cost savings isn't really the primary reason to game on a console IMO.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    To be fair is you're into something like Ubislop it is really the only way to go, the integrated excessive DRM on a console keeps you from dealing with a terrible launcher, three layers of DRM, anti-tamper, and rootkit KLAC crap.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I call it accepting a negative, voicing opinions against it, while also not interfacing with it.

    The pricing behind PS+, when considering all the Netflix-style games available, is decently generous. Less so for Game Pass, but it used to be better. I think most people are upset that it’s a gatekeeper for online play, but begrudgingly accept it as part of that wide game service.

    I’m generally with you that pricing is better, but I have had occasions where a deal price on PlayStation beat out the lowest historical price of a Steam key.

    If you were to claim you should never accept a platform with negative behaviors, I would point at Steam’s Counterstrike skins market, which can even encroach on you should scammers wish to sell to you, or steal your account to get a high “user reliability score”. I’d rather it didn’t exist. I still support Steam even with it there.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    2/593 I paid for, it's getting pretty ridiculous. If I was much younger, this would be an insane library. Instead it's mostly the greatest hits of the past and there's a lot of library overlap with what I own on Steam and played already.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I just bought a Switch 2 and am playing Pokemon Champions lol. Consoles are not horrible

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    They don't allow ads in games. Support Steam.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Fun fact for those of you who stream from a gaming pc to laptop/steamdeck/whatever: you can add 3rd party games (like those off GOG) to steam and stream them without buying them on steam.

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