In a Congressional hearing on Wednesday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) directly confronted anti-vaccine Health Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on his rejection of germ theory—the unquestionable scientific idea that specific pathogenic microbes cause specific diseases. After Kennedy defended his fringe view, Senator Bill Cassidy fact-checked and debunked Kennedy’s denialist arguments in real time.

The exchanges mark a rare instance in which Kennedy’s dismissal of germ theory has been raised in such a high-profile public setting, in this case, a hearing of the Senate Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions. Kennedy, who has no background in science, medicine, or public health, is well known as an ardent anti-vaccine activist and peddler of conspiracy theories. But his startling rejection of a cornerstone theory in biomedical science has mostly been underreported.

As Ars Technica reported last year, Kennedy wrote about his germ theory denialism explicitly in his 2021 book The Real Anthony Fauci. In it, Kennedy maligns germ theory as a tool of pharmaceutical companies, scientists, and doctors to promote the use of modern medicines. Instead of accepting germ theory, Kennedy promotes a concept akin to the discarded terrain theory, in which diseases stem not from germs, but from imbalances in the body’s inner “terrain.” Those imbalances are claimed to be caused by poor nutrition and exposure to environmental toxins and stressors. (In his book, Kennedy erroneously labels this as “miasma theory,” but that is a different theory that suggests diseases derive from breathing bad air, vapors, or mists from decaying or corrupting matter. The idea was supplanted by germ theory, while terrain theory was never widely accepted.)

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[–] 136 points 6 months ago (4 children)

yikes, dude is gonna be draining the four humors.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Who's the barber here? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edIi6hYpUoQ

    What was only recently satire is an actual position.

    They will kill you and your kids.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago

    Hopefully not me, I follow medical science, although obviously herd wide health practices will suffer which may result in higher mortality for everyone, even those who follow medical science.

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  • [–] 83 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    I bet he doesn't wash his hands after using the bathroom. Also, does he not visit the dentist? He should stop getting his teeth cleaned/checked if he thinks germs don't cause disease.

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  • [–] 100 points 6 months ago* (9 children)

    Pete Hegseth bragged on TV that he had not washed his hands in 10 years, because "germs are not a real thing." These are stupid people.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-47201923

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    These are stupid people.

    And yet they were able to fully take over the United States government. Really says something about the movements and institutions opposing them.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago

    Says more about the fragility of democracies. For other countries, the warning should be clear: do not fucking defund public education, do not restrict education.

    Unfortunately, we keep electing people who defund education, because it's expensive, and then cry that people vote for morons who waste away tens or hundreds of billions of dollars...

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    The rules mistakenly assumed that politicians would always be intelligent people with the interests of the nation in mind.

    They didn't account for people voting for moronic crooks who openly intended to pillage and rape the nation for their own profit.

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  • [–] 71 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    The Horseman known as Pestilence.

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  • [–] 52 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    A kind of Terry Pratchett, Good Omens version, absolutely. "We don't actually have to make new plagues, we just convince enough people that the natural plagues they've already got don't exist, or the causes aren't what they've been told, or that the treatments do greater harm than the disease. In fact, we don't even have to deceive that many. A handful of posts to alternative medicine, conspiracy, and mom's net forums, and human nature will do the rest."

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    There’s also already a horseman for War. Who would be Death and Famine I wonder?

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  • [–] 54 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    How is that even something I have to Read? Fuck these morons.

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  • [–] 45 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    This guy is in charge of the CENTER FOR DISEASE CONTROL. Not only responsible for the health of the nearly 400M US Citizens, but really globally in many ways. And this failson thinks you can sweat away ebola with some fucking supplements... that he happens to peddle.

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Those imbalances are claimed to be caused by poor nutrition and exposure to environmental toxins and stressors.

    So, like swimming in streams polluted with sewage?

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago*

    Or having brain worms?

    Or getting whale carcass juice on you?

    Or handling a dead bear?

    Or cutting off a dead raccoon's dick?

    This guy is trying so hard to be patient zero in the next plague, and he's not even trying to hide it.

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It is insane to think that he is endorsing a theory that was widely rejected even by Miasma guys in the 19th century.

    The miasma advocates were wrong, but they still did many things that were beneficial. The first water treatment plants that provided the first safe drinking water were advocated for by miasma advocates, and the London sewer system, one that is still being used today was also built by them.

    Terrain theory? They did jack shit. Just a bunch of crazy nuts who rejected both miasma and germ theory in the late 19th century.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    To be fair, miasma theory made sense and was completely logical, before microscopes.

    They knew about actual lethal gases, and ones that had different effects on the body. They knew there were gases they couldn't yet detect, as they were still discovering new ones. They knew rotting stuff produced all kind of gases and stenchs.

    Hell, the theory is still pretty much valid for radon, though for reasons they couldn't have possibly imagined.

    And at the same time, the idea that animals could get small enough to be invisible, and to invade the human body, was absurd.

    It came as quite a surprise when the microscope was invented and every single drop of water turned out to be a whole ecosystem teeming with life, and we turned out to be precariously balanced colonies of microscopic cells, also inhabited by a whole bacterial ecosystem teeming with both friends and foes.

    And then came viruses, which are downright absurd to the point that we're still figuring out where they fit in the tree of life, and whether they're alive or not.

    And prions, which are the stuff of horror science fiction yet completely logical when you think about how proteins work, and how easily they might sometimes not.

    Miasma theory wasn't correct, sure, but it was definitely simpler, and made much more sense than the mess reality turned out to be.

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    [–] 32 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    So he'll eat a Listeria salad and an Ecoli burger, washed down with some Girardia river water and think it was his bodies imbalance that made him sick???

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yes. This guy literally eats roadkill. And brags about it.

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  • [–] -2 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Technically, if the roadkill is fresh, there's nothing wrong with eating it.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    If you were a hunter, I imagine (I'm not), they would watch the animal first to see if it was acting sick?

    Even if you were the one that hit it, that's a substantial increase in risk I think not having been able to observe it?

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  • [–] 28 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Literal medieval doctor levels of medical understanding.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    When he dies, I hope they do an autopsy of his body to see how many parasites and infections he had.

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  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Doctors I trust more than Doctor Oz, Doctor Phil, Pete Hegseth, or RFK Jr.

    Doc Brown

    Doc Gooden

    Doc Holiday

    Doc Hollywood

    Doc Johnson

    Doc McStuffins

    Doctor John Becker

    Doctor Bombay

    Doctor Bronner

    Doctor Claw

    Doctor Demento

    Doctor Detroit

    Doctor Dirty

    Doctor Dolittle

    Doctor Doofenshmirtz aka Dr. D or just “Doof”

    Doctor Doom

    Doctor Drake Ramoray ("Days of Our Lives")

    Doctor Evil

    Doctor Hubert J. Farnsworth

    Doctor Feelgood

    Doctor Frankenstein

    Doctor Girlfriend

    Doctor Hannibal Lecter

    Doctor Horrible

    Doctor Douglas "Doogie" Howser

    Doctor Gregory House

    Doctor Jekyll

    Doctor Johnny Fever

    Doctor Kevorkian

    Doctor Kildare

    Doctor Richard Kimble

    Doctor Leonard H. "Bones" McCoy

    Doctor Martens

    Doctor Moreau

    Doctor Nick

    Doctor Otto Octavius

    Doctor Pimple Popper

    Doctor Scholl's

    Doctor Orin Scrivello

    Doctor Seuss

    Doctor Zachary Smith

    Doctor Spaceman

    Doctor Spock

    Doctor Strange

    Doctor Strangelove

    Doctor Teeth

    Doctor Theopolis

    Doctor Watson

    Doctor Marcus Welby

    Doctor Who

    Doctor Zaius

    Doctor Zhivago

    Doctor Zoidberg

    Dr. Dre

    Dr. Enuf

    Dr. Hook

    Dr. J (Julius Erving)

    Dr. Octogonapus (DOCTOROCTAGONAPUSBLURRR)

    Dr. Otto Octavius

    Dr. Pepper

    Dr. Donald D. Rose

    Dr. Tedros

    Dr. Tran

    Rug Doctor

    Spin Doctors

    The Doctor (Star Trek: Voyager)

    Even Nurse Ratchet

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    I’m at the cafe and people are looking at me as I laugh out loud alone. Thank you.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Can't help but notice that you have Doc Oc in there twice but you don't have Dr Ruth even once...  

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    These kinds of things are available to watch and honestly, with this current adminstration, they're incredibly interesting imo. If you care to watch the whole thing:

    https://www.c-span.org/program/senate-committee/hhs-secretary-robert-f-kennedy-testifies-on-health-policy-part-1/677979

    If you just want Bernie Sander's question it's the second star at about 24:00

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    It was interesting for me decades ago before i realized these politicians just make shit up all the time and it's boring now. Yes trump admin is definitely the dumbest one ever but idk it just bores me now, this was all stuff us teenagers were crying about under bush and now it's just worse.

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  • [+] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    one shortsighted charlatan

    Way more than just one

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago
    • Trump could fire RFK today.
    • Republicans in Congress could fire Trump today, for not firing RFK.
    • Republican voters could threaten to not re-elect Republicans in the next election, if they do not get rid of Trump and RFK.

    They are all complicit by their actions (in a moral sense, inaction is an action just like any other action).

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  • [–] 41 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    This is all an attempt by the rich to reduce numbers of poor people. They need more people dying, so they’re going to pull out all the safety features we’ve built into our society to prolong life.

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Less “reduce the number,” and more “make the poor more tractable.” The rich still need human carpet to walk on, they just need it to be uneducated, fecund, and desperate to get under their feet.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    This contradicts their insistence that children should have children to stop population decline

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Not really. What they want is for the older generation that has greater disability and likely hood to be drawing on services or retirement accounts to die off. Getting younger people to pop out more worker bees is how they keep the tax revenue flowing into social security etc and never have to pay out if they can kill off the infirm/ unprofitable.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Average life expectancy is dropping in the us while retirement age has increased by a decade. The two numbers are only something like 5 years separated now, maybe 7. Idk Im not looking it up right now.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Which is short sighted as a healthy populace is what lead to the US economic growth in industry prior to it being redefined as being based entirely on stock market gambling vibes. A strong and healthy populace was a big part of the post WWII boom.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Is that why they’re trying to restrict birth control and sex education while saying people need to have more kids, so there will be fewer poor people?

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago

    You mean environmental toxins like germs?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (13 children)

    Don't hold your hand (or god forbid, elbow) in front of your mouth when you sneeze, it's actually racoon penis slime coming out and that is totally fine.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago* (12 children)

    It's extremely poor hygiene to sneeze into your hand fyi

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    “You cover your mouth with the inner part of your elbow—it’s called the vampire cough!”

    “Oh-no!”

    “No, it’s all right—there’s no real vampires!”

    (From The Office, I forget which episode.)

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago* (8 children)

    It's better than just letting it fly. You can at least wash your hands after (and you obviously should).

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (5 children)

    I have never in my life seen someone cough into their hands, and not just carry on immediately touching everything as usual.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Okay you're right. All people are like the people you've seen. I'm just lying, I definitely don't wash my hands immediately if that happens. Because you know, it makes total sense for me to respond and lie here. Typical moronic Internet response, Jesus Christ.

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Yes desperately stopping a sneeze from flying on other people a certain way because you know you can wash your hands afterwards is exactly like sticking you fingers into shit in your own asshole. Exactly the same.

    I think this wins "stupidest Internet argument" for the year for me. Maybe you win "most judgy, least understanding weird scolder" for the year too.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Stop sneezing into your hand you nasty bastard

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Is it? Like it seems like it could be worse than just sneezing down towards tje floor or something, people sneeze into their hands and then touch things everyone else will touch like doorknobs and table surfaces.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago

    It’s absolutely true that we have too much focus on pharmaceutical solutions and not enough on general wellness and prevention. But wellness and prevention means exercise and vegetables, not protein bars and woo woo shit about balancing your internal landscape.

    Fuck this grotesque man.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago

    We truly live in the golden age of the moron.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    You whats wierd. I was born into a first world country. Kinda. Barely really. Just keeps on droppin.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Next year, he’ll probably outlaw sneeze-guards at the buffet.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago

    Debunking doesn’t matter in the US in 2026. Bullets do.

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