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[–] 34 points 6 months ago (9 children)

And then there's antichiral bacteria, where the entire scientific community will shoot you if you even breath wrong adjacent to the idea

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    What's that and what do you mean by breathing wrong at the idea? Is someone trying to breed some sort of supervillain bacteria?

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Almost every organic molecule has a mirrored counterpart, like a normal screw and a left-handed screw.

    Almost none of them occur in the nature.

    So we have the technology to synthesize them now, and synthesize a bacteria out of them.

    But if you do that, and the bacteria escapes, all your existing medicine will be useless, so you need to re-synthesize all your antibiotics in left-hand configuration.

    That typically does not happen with regular bacteria experiments, because most of what you can synthesize in the lab will be a descendant of some other well-known bacteria, which already have an appropriate medicine to treat it, and in most cases it will be effective against your new strain.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Though wouldn't that incompatibility go both ways? Current drugs and antibodies wouldn't work with them but wouldn't they use the mirrored proteins for energy and functioning, thus our bodies would be of no use to them?

    I've been wondering if bio-compatability would mean one doesn't have a chance against the other or if it's more like separate worlds that can only interact at a high level (like via the senses) but not at a lower level (sharing infections, food, and other biological processes).

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Maybe?

    Worth risking life as we know it just to find out, for shiggles?

    The truth is, there will be somewhere that they outcompete native fauna for resources but can't be stopped by what controls the natives, and whoops, there goes the ecosystem.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I think it would be important to know in the context of space exploration, assuming we can solve the other very hard problems standing in the way of a Star Trek future (though I'm not holding my breath lol), we'd need to know if we should stay the fuck away from any planets we find with life or if we can make contact without potentially dooming both our planet and theirs to potentially returning to the single-celled life stage.

    But yeah, it is likely a real world pandora's box.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Others have already answered, but yeah it's a bit of a Pandora's box. We almost certainly wouldn't be able to contain it, and there's no way of knowing what it would do the the world or even universe. It's some supremely scary shit.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I find AI very frustrating. I had a script I wanted to turn into a systemd service which I've never done. I searched the web, didn't find quite what I wanted so I asked AI. It gave a great answer to exactly my question and explained what every field was doing. It got me there faster than searching and browsing forums would have.

    So great, I also wanted to set up a watchdog on the pi to reboot. It tells me to get watchdog package from apt then edit a systemd conf file. An hour later with nothing working right gave up and found a tutorial in about 30 seconds of web browsing that made it clear AI was mixing up instructions from 2 different methods.

    So it saved me 5 minutes on one thing, cost me an hour on another. I feel like the internet and search engines of 10 years ago were much better than what we have now.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    That is my exact experience. I was basically just incoherently whining about an issue I had that involved accessing the DB for old legacy windows photo albums and preserving them, and it spit out a fully working program that did all that.

    Then again, it often latches onto a way to do something that messes things up and leads nowhere, and I have to be the one to say: "STOP. The goal is to install a scanner on a very common OS, one that is praised for being particularly compatible to this. Now you want me to add 50 lines of custom configuration to a background service and switch it to an unsupported version. We are clearly on the wrong path here."

    Hence I do experiment with it at home to see its limits, but my customers get 100 % human generated solutions.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    here's how I do it :

    Word it as best as I can. If the AI gives a specific and likely answer, doublecheck the documentation or stack overflow, or its listed sources.

    It sucks a lot of the stuff I'm searching comes from the same three fucking AI generated things from 2024 onwards

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    That's not how this meme format works

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    And yet it was made, posted, saved, and shared. Because posting MORE content is better than posting GOOD content

    I'm not worried about AI ruining the internet....we've already done it ourselves.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)

    We do recombinant DNA experiments all the time. We just don't do it on humans, and even it depends on the specifics when done on test animals.

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  • [–] 40 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

    The difference between AI and the other 3: AI has the potential to save all the rich people trillions through the firing of the proletariat whereas the 3 numbered items were merely a small group of people trying to make money for themselves.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Wut. Rich people will shoot themselves in the foot by firing the proletariat. AI is trash.

    The only thing that would save them is a bail out when everything crashes.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    So much of the white collar work is frankly a bit performative in general, and doing it well versus doing it badly versus not even doing it at all is sometimes not at all possible to tell.

    Thanks to mismanagement, people are brought in "in case they might be useful" a bunch of material is produced that is beyond the ken of the management who just smiles and nods because they have no idea.

    Witnessed a group manage to coast on doing effectively nothing for over a year on "we are going to do analytics in the cloud" as executive after executive sagely nodded. New executive came into the fold and got the same pitch and said "ok, fine, but what analytics, with what data sources, what do you expect to get out of it?" In a rare moment of competence an executive actually dared to figure out something instead of just smiling over the buzzwords. That same executive was gone within 3 months, because broadly speaking this was a problem for his peers that mostly operated by buzzword alignment.

    There's a mountain of internal project document material that must be created, but is never used, because of processes where non-technical executives imagine they can review a technical design as long as it isn't "code", or that they can fire their coders and replace with new coders if they can reference some 'non-code' document to help.

    GenAI may be pretty bad, but depressingly it might not matter given how much pretty bad stuff is already out there.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Makes sense! So your theory is leadership will fire themselves and replace themselves with genai, keeping the rank and file workers?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago*

    "An evil man will burn his own nation to the ground to rule over the ashes." ~ Sun Tzu

    "AI Slop" is not mutually exclusive with "AI fascism". Billionaires are already burning down the planet. Clearly they don't care about killing humanity on the way.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    In addition to what the other reply says, the current state of AI isn't necessarily the best AI could be. Even with the iterative changes on the LLM-based model, things are improving so fast that it might be safe to shrink the workforce for technical tasks soon.

    But I'm sure I'm not the only one that thinks the LLM-focused approach itself is just a local minimum the industry is stuck trying to optimize while another approach that isn't just a big data "throw everything we can at it and hope it spits out useful results" but something more methodological that encodes our knowledge from experts to give it a head start as well as robust reasoning strategies and logic to let it improve on that starting point as it seeks and adds relevant data in ways similar to how we do science and engineering.

    I believe that it's a race between an AI that truly can outcompete us and societal collapse, because the real reason AI is more difficult to stop than those other three is how easy it is to hide development. The massive data centers are required for the current approach being scaled up for the world to use it. AI research and development can be done on home PCs, especially if you're more interested in results than speed (in which case you aren't limited by cores or memory but just by storage and time).

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Eh it’s the illusion of speed. Scaling brought enormous returns from GPT-3 -> GPT-4 but it’s been far less significant for every major release since. To compensate for this, every research lab is coming up with new ways to extract value of it of models: CoT, RL, Agent Harness etc

    However, these are all hacks to make LLMs more efficient or (try) to make them more reliable. They still have significant drawbacks which will take years (probably decades) to ever get them to the point where they can reliably replace knowledge workers. China knows this and is taking a far different approach to LLM development (not a tankie fyi). Scaling is a horrible idea which will burn billions of dollars with an astronomically low chance of return.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    Yeah, while I have some doubts, I believe that LLMs have fundamental issues that will always hold them back. The doubts come because Claude Code seems like they've built a system where they are effective at giving it a good context, and it has relatively quickly solved some annoying obscure issues with my environment that I was unable to make any progress on my own with and other LLMs were also useless for.

    I still think it's a series of patches/bandaids to cover up those flaws, but my doubt comes in the form of "what if those patches can get it to average human level or even skilled". I don't think LLMs can get to the true innovator level like Einstein and Tesla, but doing competent work is well below that level and at this point I think LLMs might be able to get there.

    And I think other approaches could do even better. Not that I know what they are, but just based on the assumption that we haven't found the ideal approach in the still infancy of what AI could be.

    Edit: Funny enough but the current/recent advancements seem to be aimed at eliminating the job of "prompt expert" first.

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  • [–] 38 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    None of those were paused LOLOLOLOL

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Came here to say this, but without the LOLs.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Recombinant DNA promised better organ transplants, but it made Christians uncomfortable, so Bush II banned it.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    They consider it playing god, but these tech cultists think they're making god and apparently that's okay.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago

    Fuck reddit

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  • [–] 108 points 6 months ago (19 children)

    None are paused tho. They might say they are

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I'll do you one better by just using logic. There is no more work needed for blinding lasers, you can pick up a battery powered IR setup for a few hundred dollars and strap it to a rifle, done. Recomb DNA actually is still being studied, allow me to gesture very broadly to ALL the shit we do with yeast and I dated a girl working with M. Maydis for treating breast cancer.

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    I think you're confused, because not only am I agreeing with you, but none of the things I said should be confusing to anyone with a > 10th grade education.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    ZDL is confused. Human cloning? Easy, done. Not used, but well understood. You explained the lasers. Recombinant DNA? That is the basis of all current biotech outside of mRNA and CRISPR (which is also recombinant DNA, just very focused).

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I dunno what you're trying to argue. They accused me of using needlessly confusing language, that was what I was referring to.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    Of course the problem is that you as the claimant have burden of proof.

    People who say this kind of thing about claims regarding government or industry-level activities have no clue about security classifications.

    How are you supposed to provide proof for something that is being deliberately withheld from the public?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago*

    I've got a blinding laser in my CD burner.

    Allegedly, a Dr in China was already creating designer babies, and recombinant DNA products exist (and therefore, the research to create those products is being done.) Hell, I've done my own recombinant DNA experiments in my bio labs during college.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not a particular fan of AI but I'm not naive enough to believe that research would stop just because everyone claimed it had.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    If AI can only be done in such secrecy that it's impossible to disprove then I'd call that a win.

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    only after years of kicking and screaming, and companies that made CFCs switched to more expensive HFCs and later HFOs so it's not like they went out of the business. (alternative is use of hydrocarbons which is much cheaper but flammability was used as a reason to restrict their use) CFCs are also still used as chemical intermediates and as late as during covid there was an operational illegal R12 factory somewhere in northern china

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  • [+] 32 points 6 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    If I hear one more person say something along the lines of, "AI is the future" I'm going to strangle them. Of all the people that say that shit, none of them can explain how it works.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Didn't we only stop RDNA experiments on humans? Like, nobody is gonna make a "designer baby" but don't we still do shit like give flies extra wings?

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    I mean none of those have immediate and massive financial advantages to the people doing them though.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    Human cloning could print a workforce. Or an army.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Human fucking is already doing that.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    Yes but they get to experience outside and music and get ideas.

    Can't have any of that nonsense.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    Again, if you're willing to make people who don't get to have that, you can use already existing babies for that, making them clones doesn't achieve anything. Unless you think that clone comes out of the womb fully formed and with the full life of experience, but it's not that.
    Clone is a fetus with DNA closer resembling mother's than a regular fetus has. That's about it.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Human cloning (media) and human cloning (real life) are two completely different processes that don't have anything to do with each other. Human cloning in real life is a way to spend too much money to get something that is worse than just two people fucking.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    While this is totally true and valid. It's also a question of refinement. Human clone gen 10 is still going to give you a Dolly type situation, gen 100? Idk man.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It really isn't. It's a problem of people not understanding what cloning is. You seem to be talking about accelerated aging or something, which is just a different concept that gets lumped into cloning in sci fi because the reality of cloning itself is ultimately pointless.

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    Human cloning could be used to harvest organs and blood. I can imagine a lot of money could be made offering perfectly compatible transplant organs harvested from cloned people with O-negative blood.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Not without solving the issues with shortened telomers

    https://thisweekinsciencenews.com/blog/2025/10/28/the-truth-about-human-cloning-and-why-it-fails/

    and the issue of how to raise a child to carry the organs and then....harvest them all at once? If you take the heart from the clone, what, you just trash the kidneys and liver?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Firstly, I would be much more swayed by your argument had you not linked some AI slop article sprinkled in em-dashes and containing zero sources/links, much less reputable ones.

    Secondly, we can imagine that such technology would be much more mature if it were legal and considered ethically acceptable to perform on humans.

    Third, you could grow multiple people simultaneously and in intervals, such that multiple clients' needs can be met by taking apart one host. We already have existing variable pricing systems, so a less-efficient scenario would simply cost the customer more. To a multi-billionaire, what is a couple billion dollars if you might live 10 more years? To the service provider, what is 'wasted [insert organs]' to the tune of a billion dollars or more in profit?

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'll take the hit for a bad link - I was on my phone and didn't have time to dig up a college-level course of information for your to have to simply understand that for nearly 30 years cloning of all mammals has ran into the same types of problems that make cloning problematic. You're talking about a scifi-level of development, and for a quarter of a century, the same problems have persisted with all animal cloning. This isn't about humans, this is about fundamental elements not working.

    Ultimately, it's that the genes of adults aren't good for cloning. Telomere length is the key part of our genes that, as we age, burns like a fuse. Solving telomere length issues in a clone would be equivalent to also solving a way to make normal people or new babies immortal. Our cells wouldn't change as we age, and it would be more about turning on/off the right genes in any stage in life to get the effects you want.

    Here's a link to a teaching module for school in the UK explaining how animal cloning - of any animal - doesn't work well. Clone a sheep, clone a hedgehog, same problems.

    https://www.abpischools.org.uk/topics/cloning/cloning-problems/

    Here's a link to an article from MIT in 1997 explaining the problems they had. You'll notice they are still the same problems today.

    Here's another link from a .gov site where the "What are the potential drawbacks of cloning animals?" section explains it again.

    https://www.genome.gov/about-genomics/fact-sheets/Cloning-Fact-Sheet

    I'm not making this up, this is well-established and well-studied limitations of cloning. The only fiction here is you refusing to accept that the world and science have something that doesn't exist, and that real research problems can be solved by "Well, but what if"-ing your way out of it.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I'm not suggesting that you made up anything or that you're wrong about the limitations. I just don't think it's reasonable to make a claim and justify it with an LLM output article (I noticed because I read it, since I wanted to see the actual science). Thanks for the new links.

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