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[–] 254 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I live in Denmark and the saying here goes 'if there is anything left for the family when I die, then ive miscalculated '

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  • [–] 65 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    Genx here. Expect nothing and they can't disappoint

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  • [+] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    Everything ive read about in the states would indicate that unless you consigned or agreed to something, that debt is not yours. The problem is it doesnt stop the debtors from lying to people, and once you engage or make a payment, you do accept responsibility, as fucked as that is.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

    Debt generally isn't something you can inherit, what happened ?

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  • [+] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm not in the US. There are plenty of places where it is not standard within the law, but i did state "generally" to cover all bases

    Tl:dr: don't trip over your dick trying to play the "assumptive american" card when it wasn't called for.

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  • [+] 1 point 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    I'll be honest, you're looking for excuses to pick fights now. And not even decent ones.

    Then why bring it up in the first place?

    I asked a friendly question. You responded irrationally. And now you're again trying to slam me by...slagging off my penis size? Mate, i'm a cisfemale, you have fuck all luck there lol

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    [–] 181 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (8 children)

    Here's the story of the house we bought last year - which took us 6 years to find.

    My wife and I had been looking for a nice house in our area. We moved here just before the pandemic and we knew the prices around here, and they were within our reach at the time.

    Then the pandemic happened, house prices went through the roof and never went down.

    On top of that, our village in particular tends to be gentrifying at supersonic speed: this used to be an isolated village, but the big city nearby is expanding, so now it's turned into a fashionable place to live that's not too far from the city: the lake is now managed, so it's not a putrid mosquito-invested swamp anymore, we have two supermarkets, solid bus service... Wealthy folks buy old houses here, tear them down and build new, super-expensive mansions on top of what is now prime land.

    Before the pandemic, houses here were still affordable(-ish). Nowadays, it's minimum 3x as much for the cheapest old house (to destroy and rebuild anew, remember!), which are getting rare, and new ones are running into half-million territory.

    So we had been watching for houses in the area like hawks on the various local realty sites for 6 years, not holding much hope for this village, but still including it in our search, because why not.

    And one day, this house turned up at a surprisingly low price - the one we're in now. Long story short: it was so poorly advertised by the realtor that nobody bid on it. But I knew it because I had seen it before while riding my bike in that street, so we bid immediately and we scored it.

    It's one of the last old houses, but it's in perfect condition for its age, because the previous owner was in the construction industry and built it to the most modern standards of the time. And it's located in one of the most highly sought-after streets in the village, with direct access to the lake, gobs of land, and located 200 yards from the stores and the bus stop.

    Our house is insanely great and we got it for cheaper than pre-pandemic prices!

    Why you ask? How does something this lucky happens?

    Because the previous owner, a nice little old lady, sold it for cheap because she got tired of her children bickering over who would inherit it after she dies, how much profit they would make if they sold it, and trying to move their mom to a retirement home so one of them could move in early, or convince her to sell it now so they wouldn't pay the tax on property inheritance.

    The lady literally told them "Fuck the whole lot of you!" She put the house up for sale at bargain-basement price in order to sell it and move out as quickly as possible, so none of her kids would get anything at all after she's dead.

    And that's how we got to live in this increasingly posh neighborhood without really having the kind of money to belong here 🙂

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  • [–] 68 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The lady literally told them “Fuck the whole lot of you!” She put the house up for sale at bargain-basement price in order to sell it and move out as quickly as possible, so none of her kids would get anything at all after she’s dead.

    legend. I'd have her over on christmas every year.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    We bought our house (20 years ago) from a 95 year old lady. Her family was trying to get her into a home for years and finally convinced her. They put the house on the market at the price the came up with when they first started talking about moving her so the price was about $80k out of date. I guess the family got really pissed at the agent because we bought it the second it got listed and they thought they should have got way more money. So we got lucky too. Except our house is a bit of a shit box and had lots of stuff wrong with it. It had cardboard plumbing for fucksakes.

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  • [–] 24 points 6 months ago

    From wiki:

    Orangeburg pipe (also known as "fiber conduit", "bituminous fiber pipe" or "Bermico" or "sand pipe") is bituminized fiber pipe used in the United States. It is made from layers of ground wood pulp fibers and asbestos fibres compressed with and bound by a water resistant adhesive then impregnated with liquefied coal tar pitch

    Oof, that sounds like it was a fun project to remediate

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I understand that the old lady was in some sort of emotional frenzy but odd that she didn't sell the house for its market value, it would have sold quickly anyway. And good thing (I guess) one of her kids didn't swoop in and buy it at the low price she listed it for. 🤔

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    Yeah it was weird. I bought it for the under the price of the land alone. I think her idea was to buy herself another place somewhere with the money (which she did) and leave her kids skint.

    And I don't think she would have agreed to sell it to one of them - not to mention the family feud that would have ensued if one of them had tried.

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  • [–] 92 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    I keep reading about how the boomers are going to be the biggest wealth transfer in history when they die, but all I’m hearing about in practice is boomers selling their assets and spending the money.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    Everything else has gone up. The home being sold is going to be taxed, they’ll buy a condo someplace in a retirement community, and maybe they go in a nursing home or assisted living that will make sure to take every last dime in the old person’s account.

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  • [–] 76 points 6 months ago (8 children)

    This is part of how wealth concentrates in countries without a welfare state. The property market becomes more and more unavailable for young people, and older people have to sell their homes to afford proper care.

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  • [–] 47 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe I’m wrong, but I interpreted this as “we’re selling the house and burning the money in voyages, cruises, fuck fest, etc”.

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That's how it starts but most people have no idea how much end-of-life care can cost, or even just regular geriatric medicine.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I just assume that's where any money i have left is going to end up. Luckily i don't have anyone relying on the funds i possessed, but I also don't expect to have much (if any) anyway. I'm kinda relieved i don't have children for that reason, tbh. It's hard enough to make ends meet as it is. As much as i might have enjoyed starting a family, I'm afraid I'd be setting up another generation to suffer through the naivete of mine...then having little/nothing to offer on my way out!

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago

    I'm planning on my end-of-life being real cheap. I'd prefer a clean exit over a long decline, especially if I start losing my faculties. (Not much history of dementia in my family, thankfully)

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Even in countries with a welfare state system. Mainly because we depend so much on the USA and they just carelessly plays monopoly with the world economy (2008 crash plus subsequent "quantitative easing" is why we have high apartment prices). I just hope we can decouple before everything that is happening now will affect us too much.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    The US empire is going down, fast. Countries that don't decouple now will go down with it

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The problem is systemic with the world. Pretend like any country is better and you've lost the point. It isn't nations or races that made this problem. It's wealth. The elite class is the problem and they are the same problem in every country.

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  • [–] 34 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Neither of my parents have any kind of savings at all, they basically only ever made enough to get by. My mom gets a very meager stipend from being a teacher. They both retired this past year and are drawing social security. It's already really tight for them. I know when they get older I'm gonna have to sell their houses to make sure they have enough money to live on and the medical care they deserve. No idea where they will live at that point. Isn't America great? Work hard your whole life to struggle to make it when you're too old to work...

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago*

    I live with my parent, Iv not had much luck in life job wise so I work min wage job and help my parents so they never end up in a home. Thankfully my girlfriend understand why I'm doing this so I don't have to stress about that.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    Will have to do the same in a couple of years. Both parents are retired but my dad got cancer about 10 years before his retirement, so he basically didn't have an income during that time. They are now unable to move since they are both too old, so it's going to be me and my brother handling that when the time comes.

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  • [–] 32 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Don't bank on a windfall controlled by other people. My parents tried that and got screwed by my grandpa.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Sounds like they didnt "get screwed" by anyone -- instead they counted chickens before they hatched, like fools. Maybe im wrong. I only have your vague sentence to infer from.

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  • [–] 110 points 6 months ago (33 children)

    Don't worry. The insurance companies and doctors will get the rest anyways. We have a whole system of parasites to make sure that no generational wealth gets passed along.

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  • [–] 36 points 6 months ago (17 children)

    Yeah, my parents told me once that when my grandparents pass away there was a nice chunk of money that would be coming. I never planned around it or anything. Some time after they passed I was a little curious about it and asked what happened, that was pretty much what they said, that it probably had all been used up by hospital and nursing home bills. End of life care is the last chance to suck up that dough, I guess.

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  • [–] 18 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    My mom got money from her grandparents, almost half a mil. She told her own mother to just spend it all now (&on her) because they could file title 9 anyway, so mine as well enjoy it.

    I too never planned on getting anything anyway. They hate all us children its bizarre.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (14 children)

    Not a day goes by where I thank whatever creator out there that I wasn't born in the USA.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    We in the USA have a pretty good standard of living, but holy fuck the government is unwilling to pass any consumer protections. Just let the corps fuck us because they're the ones making political donations.

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  • [–] 20 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    The US government used to pass consumer protections, worker protections, environmental protections, etc. to the point of being a leader in many ways for other parts of the world.

    And then Reagan happened.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I would thunk a good portion of you have a good standard of living but quite possibly a majority basically live in 3rd world poverty conditions and constant debt, stress, and exposure to violence.

    There's just enough Americans living in decent to good conditions to make it look like the American dream is alive, since the cameras don't focus on the less fortunate.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    I live in Canada and we have pretty good standards of living here. Up to and including not going financially bankrupt if we get sick or injured.

    My partner broke their leg last year. Between the 6-8 hospital visits, xrays, two casts, and an air boot, we paid a grand total of around $120. Less than $20 for paid parking (I'm lazy and it was like $2 a day) and $100 for the boot of which I got $85 from my work insurance. Everything else was completely covered by our provincial care.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Ugh, lucky. My friend is even getting Canadian citizenship now thanks to a recent law change there and his grandmother being a Canadian citizen.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I welcome them to my wonderful country and I hope they have a wonderful life here!

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Marry me, PhoenixDog, so I can into Canada

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    My partner and I (we're poly) literally have an an agreement that if we ever divorce, it's to marry someone else to help them move here.

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  • [–] 33 points 6 months ago

    It's hospitals not doctors. Doctors get all that money only when they run their own private practice, and life support rooms are all in big hospitals, so the money is distributed between insurance and hospital management, and doctors get paid like all other skilled workers, and probably less than scuba diving welders.

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  • [–] 23 points 6 months ago* (4 children)

    My observation is that doctors are getting squeezed, other staff moreso. They’re getting pushed harder and harder for more and more productivity out of them.

    A doctor in my family quit and retired early because (basically) their group got more corporate and burned him out. I heard of a dentist who quit over ethics issues once their group was acquired by private equity.

    Not that they aren’t well off, but I’d be careful blaming working professionals like doctors, engineers and such so much.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The doctors aren't the direct problem, just complicit in the evil money scam that is American healthcare.

    Sure they aren't directly to blame, but so long as they "just do their jobs" they are knowingly and willfully complicit and need to be held accountable as such.

    A dentist that does non-necessary procedures, like filing cabinets or pre-emptive fillings, causes harm.

    A doctor that delays or prevents life-saving procedures because insurance tells them to causes death.

    An engineer who doesn't question "why does this licence plate reader need to have facial recognition?" causes fascism.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    I'm a huge fan of not passing along any substantial generational wealth. Above certain threshold - I'll give it 15 times of country's median annual income - it only serves to accumulate wealth.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    I was interested to see how the numbers would play out for this idea

    According to https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/median-household-income-by-state the median household income for a single person is $41,382 in the United States. 15 times that would be $620,730

    According to https://wealthvieu.com/average-inheritance/#average-and-median-inheritance 92% of inheritances would be well underneath this amount

    Assuming that your limit was meant to apply to individual recipients and not to the entire estate, this seems like a pretty modest proposal to me.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I'm sorry but biting into that particular number was rather counterproductive, as it was arbitrary - make it 50 if you care, but my point still stands. Armed elite's successors are the armed elite still, but we can counter that. It would still leave them with funds to afford some very comfortable living, just no longer enough to terrorize the world.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I'm sorry if it came off that way, but I was not trying to be critical of your idea at all - I was trying to see how many people would be impacted, and I think you could easily get away with limiting the amount of inheritance even further.

    I think being a worker gives a person perspective that is critical to their development, and no one should inherit or be given enough money that they never have to do any work in their life.

    Not only does unrestricted inheritance directly cause the development of a disconnected wealthy class, but it's also bad for the people who inherit too much.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago*

    Necropost at this point but yup, the only 'stable' sector of the US economy is .... healthcare.

    (I would say 'and the military industrial complex', but uh suprusingly no to that, most of those major players are mired in scandals and major fuckups that seriously threaten their solvency and credibility)

    After the AI bubble pops, the American economy will essentially be primarily a gigantic, extractive, hospice care economy.

    You know, Death Panels, run by AI/LLMs, the exact nightmare scenario that all the Boomers were told would result from any attempt to meaningfully reform the healthcare system.

    And most of those healthcare workers will be braindead Gen Alphas that literally can't read, but managed to get some kind of nursing certificate at a degree mill.

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  • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    I see the issue here less as "the kids get nothing" and more a concern at where they money ends up.

    Houses get massively inflated over time.. Older parents sell, but the money all ends up at some retirement home. Retirement homes are owned by a bunch of hedge funds and/or rich folk. Staff at these places often aren't paid particularly well either.

    The end result is still higher prices for everyone else, while the rich folk get richer as everything rises into unaffordabilty.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago

    I also see it as a problem of the economy. Their kid, will never be able to afford that house. He will never be able to live in a house like that again. He also got royally screwed.

    Home ownership is a luxury. Reality is being stuck renting. Renting is preventing upwards mobility.

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