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Frank Herbert (sh.itjust.works)
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[–] 51 points 6 months ago (20 children)

Why is the response never included in these?

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  • [–] [S] 103 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Probably because it wasn't funny. These LLMs lack the wit of Cleverbot.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Probably right. But I'm still interested in it's response. But not interested enough to go to twitter and try it.

    Oh well

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (14 children)
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  • [–] 57 points 6 months ago* (13 children)

    My hero
    Heres the answer for anyone else curious

    Grok
    @grok
    Mar 18
    Replying to @AlanLevinovitz @KBucko7
    The post quotes Dune (by Frank Herbert): men handed thinking to machines hoping for freedom, but it let other men (with machines) enslave them. Then Paul cites the Orange Catholic Bible: "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man's mind."

    "Herbert was cooking" = he crushed it with this. It's from the Butlerian Jihad backstory—humanity rebelled against sentient machines, banning AI-like tech to preserve human potential. A timeless caution on tech dependence.

    And then person actually says "thank you" to the LLM, and nothing was learned that day.

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  • [–] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

    And then he asks grok to summarise and explain the book/series to him. Which made me horrified, but then I remembered I have never read the dune books, just read bits from wikis and seen the films.

    Now I don't know what to feel. Oh right, there's several types of books that I can't fucking sit through because they are written like pretentious ass and deal with dense, dry topics, so I guess I wasn't going to sit through that shit with or without wikis and AIs.

    I've read other books, and then read the fucking wikis. I guess for somethings and some contexts you just need the abridged version.

    If you disagree, feel free to go read "Infinite Jest", "Godel Escher and Bach", and "Crime and Punishment", then get back to me on this topic.

    I've read about half of one of those books. Feel free to guess.

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  • [–] 17 points 6 months ago* (7 children)

    A summarization of the Dune series would be a novella by itself.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Depends on how detailed and respectful they wanted to be of the original material. Lawerence of Arab in Space where a young lord abuses a artificial prophecy to gain control of a planet, unleashing universal jihad where billions die isn't far off.

    It does leave out some of the interesting bits, like when one of his ancestors turns into a worm, marries his sister and gets another man to fuck her, since he's no longer able to do so.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (4 children)

    I'll just watch the movies, thank 💪

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    The six hours you've watched so far is just an abridged version of the first book.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, a lot like a summary?

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It... isn't though. By watching the movies you are missing one (1) novel's worth of context, and it is impossible to really extrapolate from there.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    It's just a joke, y'all are really over thinking it. I'm fully aware that watching the movies and reading the books are different experiences. The joke was that a summary cuts things just like the movie. That's it.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago* (2 children)

    I thought Dune was good. I read it while I was in middle-school and thought it was engrossing. I also read a lot of Arthur C. Clarke back then, but I guess some people don't like his style. I tried reading Godel, Escher, Bach as a young adult, and yeah, I maybe finished half.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    I read the first one a few times as a kid (I was really into scifi). Then I read the second one and it put me off checking out the rest of the series.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    I must be a weirdo because I ripped through all of Frank Herbert's dune books then went on to read his other stuff like The Whipping Star, Dosadi Experiment, and White Plague.

    that guy writes shit that excites my neurons.

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    • [–] 84 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (11 children)

    I never get why people do not understand satire, neither on twitter nor here. Its so on the nose you cant possibly think they are not aware of what they comment on... It is satire... right....?

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago (5 children)

    Grok is this satire

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    @Grok@lemmy.world is this satire

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  • [–] 8 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    No grok here, only gork

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    • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (11 children)

    Sure would be nice if sci-fi writers who warn us of how we're heading towards dystopia would be wrong a bit more often.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    We get the dystopia but not the future sight psychedelics. Fucking whack.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

    you literally lived through the era of buying research chemicals , which were literally described in Transmetropolitan^[1], through "the silk road" an encrypted exchange that sold drugs using cryptocurrency.

    What fucking future sight psychedelics were you missing?

    [1] Transmet describes drugs that circumvent drugs laws that exist for hours before they are banned. Research chemicals are drugs that mimic more famous ones but are legally distrinct from them, that get banned sooner or later.

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  • [–] 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Ones that turn my eyes blue and allow for prophetic navigation between the stars dawg.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Sure would be nice if we were literate and critical enough to not justcopy their narratives and build the fucking torment nexus every time.

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    • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    They then proceeded with the enslaving, sans computer.

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    • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    That is prescient.

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    • [–] 26 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    "what should I understand"

    we're cooked

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    • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It doesn’t look like anything to me.

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    • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    E.M. Forster wrote The Machine Stops in 1909...

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Thanks for the recommendation.

    I'd heard of Forster, but never made the time. After reading the first few pages of The Machine Stops it looks interesting. The hyper drive for 'efficiency', presented as rational but leading to absurdities I think fits our times and the dissatisfaction with Classical and Neoliberal economic policies, likely the culture war driven faux-Christian morality of many as well.

    I think its time to have a look at Forster more carefully. He was involved in the Bloomsbury Set, which is where I'd heard of him before.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    It's a great story. Been awhile since I read it but IIRC it even has a bit about the society coddled by the machines deciding that primary sources are considered less valuable than the commentary that others make about those sources. It's like if online commentary was somehow better than books.

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    • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Why else are they pushing AI down our throats?

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    $$$$$$$$

    AI is Heroin. They want as many addicts as possible.

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    • [–] 8 points 6 months ago

    You mean that we need to go deeper?

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    [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Maybe humanity should learn from this and start the Butlerian Jihad before AI gets too powerful?

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    [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    Too bad baby Herbert rendered Butlerian Jihad into a Terminator story... a generational L for sci-fi.

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    [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Luckily LLM's don't actually think, but the amount of people willing to replace their own thoughts with fancy answering machines is kinda creepy though. So if we ever managed machines that actually think, we should definitely remember this, yeah.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 6 months ago

    LLMs have been around for awhile. I had a temp job working on an LLM 7 years ago. It was always referred to as an "LLM" or "machine learning". I never once saw or heard anybody calling it "artificial intelligence" or "AI". This rebranding is to convince people that it's something completely new and that it's capable of doing things that it can't do.

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    • [–] 3 points 6 months ago

    🍊🕉️✝️☪️☸️📖🚫🧠🤖

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    [–] 1 point 6 months ago

    the Jihad was the bedrock of the Dune stories

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