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[–] 209 points 6 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 48 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, specifically: The billionaires class hired Trump to do this. They may have gotten more than they bargained for, or they may not care since it’s not yet affecting most of them.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Some of them are actively working with Trump towards a future where prison labor in their factories fuels their wealth in perpetuity. It is as simple as incarceration of millions of slave laborers and becoming a government contractor.

    Footage of private prison executives celebrating the Trump reelection leaked when it happened. Some immigration camps are already creating labor.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    It’s wild because these supposed geniuses have clearly not thought about who the fuck is going to buy all the shit produced by prison labor when EVERYONE IS PRISON LABOR! They’re addicted to making money and will happily squeeze all the money out of everyone till we’re all dead. It’s like if you have a cow and take all the milk and leave nothing for the calves; someday you’ll be left with nothing.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago*

    Yes, of course it's both, but I think people are upset with the statement because Democrats (with a few exceptions) traditionally bend over backwards trying to ignore the fact that the billionaire class is a HUGE part of the problem.

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  • [–] 89 points 6 months ago (22 children)
  • [–] 27 points 6 months ago (18 children)

    Somehow this is the most ignored fact ever known, for internet people. No, you just simply cannot acknowledge two compatible facts. One is worthless garbage (your fact) while the other is profound wisdom (my fact). For example, here, somehow Donald Trump being a billionaire with the largest amount of power on earth is lost on this person, basically because it helps them burn the Democrats. Really kind of an idiotic response if you ask me. A billionaire acting the most like a billionaire is the "wrong" culprit here. And they think they're such a big brain for this.

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  • [–] 11 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    One of those things is just a subset of a much larger group, but both are only products of a systemic failure that democrats refuse to acknowledge - which makes them seem inauthentic to most people experiencing the problem.

    Libs will pretend that this is not a problem.

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  • [–] -3 points 6 months ago (8 children)
  • [–] 3 points 6 months ago (7 children)

    If it looks and walks like a duck, it's a duck.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    Personally I think putting people into boxes based on almost nothing is toxic but maybe that's just me being a sHiTlIb

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I havent put anyone into a box, i just labled the box and put it on the shelf. It's not my problem if people decide to climb into it themselves.

    Unless you're upset with my associating liberals with the tendency to ignore the systemic problems of capitalist democracy in favor of directing anger toward just the 'bad' capitalists? I think that's pretty self evident but I'd be happy to argue the merits.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (3 children)

    The boxes shouldn't exist, unless they were to define people as they relate to specific issues. I have been raged at for being a "liberal" because users assume I subscribe to many views which I definitely do not. They even go as far to tell me I'm wrong about what I believe because "you're a liberal!!" Which I'm not, insofar as how they mean it. And that's the problem.

    To continue the analogy. You say you're putting boxes on the shelf and people climb into them. I'd compare it more to people looking at the box labels and then you're shoving them into the boxes just for that. It's all oversimplified and kills conversations and progress. The fact that I strongly want an end to many social problems which could be addressed by universal healthcare and regulating capitalism means nothing to most of these label-oriented users. The only people who aren't evil capitalist pigs are those who fit their same label. It's actually sick, disgusting, and counterproductive. It's exactly what you'd want if you're a billionaire. People who want mostly the same things hating and icing each other out.

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  • [–] 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I haven't accused you of fitting the label bud, you've taken thay upon yourself. The point is still that a particular type of political identity tends to intentionally single out the "bad" billionaires as the problem, while intentionally disregarding the systemic reasons for the existence of those billionaires.

    If we don't agree on what the underlying problem is (let alone agree on what needs to be done about it), then we are absolutely not in alignment. To the extent that we agree on anything, we would still fundamentally disagree on which of those things democrats need to address to win an election.

    Crying about leftists making that distinction doesnt do anything to disabuse them of the notion that you're a bad faith shitlib (notice the third person there) trying to dissuade them of their convictions in favor of what you personally consider "reasonable"

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    "This person"

    Literally a progressive who co-chaired Bernie's 2020 run and has consistently fought for progressive policies.

    I think she deserves to speak the truth to power.

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  • [–] -4 points 6 months ago (4 children)

    I got a good one for you

    Me: Trump won because people didn't vote for Kamala. She got 10 million less votes than Biden.

    Tankies: No it's because she ran a bad campaign. It's not because of the voters at all.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Exactly. As if those are competing ideas. For those to be competing ideas, voters have no agency. Which they do not hesitate to imply if it makes them feel correct.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    I'm gonna be honest: voters are dumb, and that's the biggest reason why they don't have agency. Forget voter ID and banning mail-ins, the biggest form of voter suppression is propaganda. Billionaires invest tons of money into making sure voters stay dumb. Politicians actually have a ton of control over voters, because they're so easy to manipulate. So the tankies do have a point.

    HOWEVER, if voters weren't so dumb, they'd have agency! And the tankies who didn't vote because they're scared of lesser evilism? Well yeah, there's your voter suppression through propaganda. The dumb voting is coming from inside the house.

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  • [–] 25 points 6 months ago

    Reminds me of this:

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  • [–] 22 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Never argue with someone whose job depends on not being convinced.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago

    That's a lot of someones,

    given the related issue, best expressed by Upton Sinclair: It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on him not understanding.

    Not the healthy kind of "not being convinced", of curious open minds.

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  • [–] 37 points 6 months ago

    It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!

    Upton Sinclair, 1934

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  • [–] 12 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    TBF, Trump is glazing the billionaire class about as much as he's glazing Putin and Netanyahu.

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  • [–] 55 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    It's not "billionaire class". It's owning class.

    It ain't that they have a lot of money, it's how they came to acquire that money as an effect of the system of ownership we currently live under incentivising rampant exploitative practices as the most efficient methods of personal enrichment.

    Billionaires are just the best at being exploitative; they aren't the only ones though.

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  • [–] 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Most billionaires get their money by exploiting loopholes in the government. For example, they pay no taxes, yet the government will still prosecute people who kill them.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago

    trump is the champion of the billionaire class.

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  • [–] 21 points 6 months ago (18 children)

    What we need is people who actually write up policy proposals. It doesn't matter whether you have a senate majority, you need to write the policy proposals now. What actually changes things is societal pressure, and you only build that up by showing that another way is possible, which you show by writing down how exactly you would run an alternative society. For which you have to write down policy proposals.

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  • [–] 13 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (13 children)

    The fact that Democrats don’t have a Project 2027 or Project 2029 runbook proves they don’t know what they’re doing.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (12 children)

    The fact that Democrats don’t have a Project 2027 or Project 2028 runbook proves that they're not even trying.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (10 children)

    Yeah, but not because they’re malicious, just inept.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago (9 children)

    Controlled opposition by design

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  • [–] -1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    You’re telling me you think they can’t fail more completely? They’re clearly either not trying at failing or not trying at succeeding.

    Either way they’re inept.

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  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    Corporate America (bankers, markets, etc.) prefer it this way. This isn’t a conspiracy theory — bankers have run the show (entirely) since the early 70s.

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  • [+] -6 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    Ah yes, “(((bankers)))”

    Sure bud. Humans are terrible at this shit.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    Goddamnit, no, actual bankers of many faiths (or lack thereof) gained leverage and a majority “stake” at the table by buying munis and treasuries when literally ALL bids ceased during the stagflation era of the 70s.

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (2 children)

    When it comes to politics Hanlon's razor provides a distinction without a difference.

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  • [+] -10 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Everybody who's complaining about "the rich" or "the oligarchs" should invest a few thoughts into how to actually formulate a law that makes society a better place.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago (1 child)

    We have. It's called "theory", and it's a lot more complicated than just tacking on a few more laws to an already corrupt system of government in order to try and control an inherently exploitative system of economics.

    Try reading it sometime. Try Kropotkin.

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  • [–] 10 points 6 months ago

    It's the same picture

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  • [–] 19 points 6 months ago (6 children)

    "Learned", lol, yeah that's what the problem is. They're just so stupid. So unbelievably stupid. These people with billions of dollars of think tank research and social data, these people who climbed into power, they just aren't realizing this obvious fact that somehow every non-politician around me has understood since they were 15 years old. They haven't "learned".

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  • [+] 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)
  • [–] 4 points 6 months ago (3 children)

    Sounds like we should form a commission to study this issue.

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  • [–] 6 points 6 months ago (2 children)

    I'll draft a resolution for a committee to form and discuss the logistics of said commission. Closed door meetings of course.

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  • [–] 9 points 6 months ago* (1 child)

    For anyone unfamiliar with Nina Turner, she has run for Congress before and the Democrats united against her.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nina_Turner#2021_Ohio's_11th_congressional_district_special_election

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